iOS 9 vs iOS 8.4.1 unresponsiveness due to input-blocking

[trifid]

I fully remember all the weather app complaints as well as all the 6+ complaints for the entire life of iOS 8. Nearly all of the lag advocates seem have forgotten or ignore it because it's old news and hold 8.4.1 as the pinnacle of excellence. Which is why I said "on par or better" since it has somehow been the bar to reach.

Who cares about the weather app in iOS8 compared to the ENTIRE iOS9 OS stuttering/input-blocking? Put it in perspective, honestly I don't remember or cared about the weather app in iOS8, one can easily replace it with a 3rd party app if needed.

Most importantly, the big emphasis put on 8.4.1 at least on the OP topic is the input-blocking, the fact remains that iOS9 added input-blocking on a very important part of iOS resulting in less fluid usage and that still remains unfixed.

And by the way, pinnacle of responsiveness/performance is probably iOS 3-6, I remember my iPad 4 was a speed demon on iOS6, and iOS7 ruined it, simple things like the keyboard felt sluggish.

 

[sanke1]

Things improved from 7.0 to 7.2, from 8.0 to 8.2/3/4, and even now from 9.0 to 9.2/3/x.

You are saying exactly what Facebook says in every update of their App.

 

[Radon87000]

I fully remember all the weather app complaints as well as all the 6+ complaints for the entire life of iOS 8. Nearly all of the lag advocates seem have forgotten or ignore it because it's old news and hold 8.4.1 as the pinnacle of excellence. Which is why I said "on par or better" since it has somehow been the bar to reach.

It deserves to be forgotten as you can avoid the Weather lag by using another app.iOs 9 has no such solution

 

[Radon87000]

Things improved from 7.0 to 7.2, from 8.0 to 8.2/3/4, and even now from 9.0 to 9.2/3/x.

Lol this reminds me of the change log of the Uber App

 

[sanke1]

Lol this reminds me of the change log of the Uber App

Yup. General performance improvements announced in change log but we cannot find out where exactly!

 

[C DM]

You are saying exactly what Facebook says in every update of their App.

The point is that the improvements have been there that people have actually noticed and confirmed.
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It deserves to be forgotten as you can avoid the Weather lag by using another app.iOs 9 has no such solution

Back in iOS days saying something like that would get everyone that worried about the lag quite bothered by it as the point wasn't avoiding the issue but that it was there and shouldn't have been there.

Even in the case of iOS 9 when people have mentioned that reducing movement/animations and reducing contrast would help quite a bit with many stutters the come back from those worried about the sitters has been they they shouldn't be using some workarounds or doing something different to work around the issue as it shouldn't be there to begin with.

So clearly the point you are trying to make there has been shown not to hold again and again.
[doublepost=1454422528][/doublepost]

Who cares about the weather app in iOS8 compared to the ENTIRE iOS9 OS stuttering/input-blocking? Put it in perspective, honestly I don't remember or cared about the weather app in iOS8, one can easily replace it with a 3rd party app if needed.

Most importantly, the big emphasis put on 8.4.1 at least on the OP topic is the input-blocking, the fact remains that iOS9 added input-blocking on a very important part of iOS resulting in less fluid usage and that still remains unfixed.

And by the way, pinnacle of responsiveness/performance is probably iOS 3-6, I remember my iPad 4 was a speed demon on iOS6, and iOS7 ruined it, simple things like the keyboard felt sluggish.

You should see the uproar that some were consistently creating about the weather app and all that in iOS 8 days. Nice to say "who cares" now, but that wasn't what would get through in the iOS 8 days. That's the whole point of comparing how people were dealing with it and how they are dealing with this and using the every version that was similarly complained about as a great example of how things should be.

 

[I7guy]

The point is that the improvements have been there that people have actually noticed and confirmed.
[doublepost=1454422328][/doublepost]
Back in iOS days saying something like that would get everyone that worried about the lag quite bothered by it as the point wasn't avoiding the issue but that it was there and shouldn't have been there.

Even in the case of iOS 9 when people have mentioned that reducing movement/animations and reducing contrast would help quite a bit with many stutters the come back from those worried about the sitters has been they they shouldn't be using some workarounds or doing something different to work around the issue as it shouldn't be there to begin with.

So clearly the point you are trying to make there has been shown not to hold again and again.
[doublepost=1454422528][/doublepost]
You should see the uproar that some were consistently creating about the weather app and all that in iOS 8 days. Nice to say "who cares" now, but that wasn't what would get through in the iOS 8 days. That's the whole point of comparing how people were dealing with it and how they are dealing with this and using the every version that was similarly complained about as a great example of how things should be.

Spot on. The weather app in IOS 8 was the poster child of everything wrong with that release, that is now looked on as the holy grail of IOS releases. My oh my, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Radon87000]

The point is that the improvements have been there that people have actually noticed and confirmed.
[doublepost=1454422328][/doublepost]
Back in iOS days saying something like that would get everyone that worried about the lag quite bothered by it as the point wasn't avoiding the issue but that it was there and shouldn't have been there.

Even in the case of iOS 9 when people have mentioned that reducing movement/animations and reducing contrast would help quite a bit with many stutters the come back from those worried about the sitters has been they they shouldn't be using some workarounds or doing something different to work around the issue as it shouldn't be there to begin with.

So clearly the point you are trying to make there has been shown not to hold again and again.
[doublepost=1454422528][/doublepost]
You should see the uproar that some were consistently creating about the weather app and all that in iOS 8 days. Nice to say "who cares" now, but that wasn't what would get through in the iOS 8 days. That's the whole point of comparing how people were dealing with it and how they are dealing with this and using the every version that was similarly complained about as a great example of how things should be.

I dont get why turning on reduce motion and transparency is being equated to using another weather app.There is a difference between the two options.By turning on RT,you are compromising your experience by turning down visuals.Using Accuweather instead of the Weather App does not compromise my experience.Its not a workaround but a credible solution.

Let me make it clear,I dont care about the specific stutters which are avoidable as they dont concern me.I tried out Apple Music a month ago and the app was horrible and full of lags while tapping on an artist and loading some playlists.I simply switched to Play Music which has zero stutters.I am definitely not missing the AM experience

 

[C DM]

I dont get why turning on reduce motion and transparency is being equated to using another weather app.There is a difference between the two options.By turning on RT,you are compromising your experience by turning down visuals.Using Accuweather instead of the Weather App does not compromise my experience.Its not a workaround but a credible solution.

Let me make it clear,I dont care about the specific stutters which are avoidable as they dont concern me.I tried out Apple Music a month ago and the app was horrible and full of lags while tapping on an artist and loading some playlists.I simply switched to Play Music which has zero stutters.I am definitely not missing the AM experience

Of course it's a workaround as the original issue is still present and is just being avoided. The point is that the issue is there and shouldn't be there.

It's interesting how when something doesn't concern you then it's all different and not a big deal and people can just ignore it or work around it. As soon as anything similar is said about an issue that does concern you then it's a whole different thing and people who say anything about workarounds or anything like that shouldn't be saying anything. Funny how that works.

 

[Radon87000]

Of course it's a workaround as the original issue is still present and is just being avoided. The point is that the issue is there and shouldn't be there.

I would love the issue to be fixed as much as the next guy but since Apple cant fix it on a time bound basis,avoiding the issue is the next best thing and when I say "avoid",I mean in a way which does not involve turning down visuals

It's interesting how when something doesn't concern you then it's all different and not a big deal and people can just ignore it or work around it. As soon as anything similar is said about an issue that does concern you then it's a whole different thing and people who say anything about workarounds or anything like that shouldn't be saying anything. Funny how that works.

Becuase the stutters which I am complaining about cannot be avoided.If I could use an alternative app which does the same thing,my experience is not impacted and I can get on with life

 

[C DM]

I would love the issue to be fixed as much as the next guy but since Apple cant fix it on a time bound basis,avoiding the issue is the next best thing and when I say "avoid",I mean in a way which does not involve turning down visuals


Becuase the stutters which I am complaining about cannot be avoided.If I could use an alternative app which does the same thing,my experience is not impacted and I can get on with life

Same things can be and have been said by others who are worried about bigger issues (stability, functionality, etc.), as well as those who are not really using CC or NC or app switcher and are getting by just fine and aren't affected by the issues. But any time anything like that would come up in relation to iOS 9 it would get shot down by those that care about the issues, just as what you said got shut down in iOS 8 days. Like I said, funny how that works.

 

[trifid]

You should see the uproar that some were consistently creating about the weather app and all that in iOS 8 days. Nice to say "who cares" now, but that wasn't what would get through in the iOS 8 days. That's the whole point of comparing how people were dealing with it and how they are dealing with this and using the every version that was similarly complained about as a great example of how things should be.

I'm a bit lost at this point what you are trying to say, the bottom line is unlike every other iOS release, Apple advertised iOS9 as "under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance". Did Apple advertise iOS8 like that when it was released?

When Apple makes such a claim, and you install iOS9 and it's a complete disaster even on the latest hardware, of course you will compare it to the previous iOS release, I don't see what's wrong with this.
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[C DM]

I'm a bit lost at this point what you are trying to say, the bottom line is unlike every other iOS release, Apple advertised iOS9 as "under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance". Did Apple advertise iOS8 like that when it was released?

When Apple makes such a claim, and you install iOS9 and it's a complete disaster even on the latest hardware, of course you will compare it to the previous iOS release, I don't see what's wrong with this.
[doublepost=1454431560][/doublepost]

We are back to "complete disaster"? Really?

 

[trifid]

We are back to "complete disaster"? Really?

Depending on what your hardware was when you upgraded to iOS9, yes. It was a disaster enough for many to recommend not installing it on older hardware, and this is the recommendation I'm still giving. To me the most ridiculous example was that I could reproduce the lag/stuttering 100% when invoking spotlight/search. This is the core iOS experience, how could Apple have neglected this?

It was also disaster enough that someone made a lawsuit out of it, regardless of merit I find this quite revealing: http://mashable.com/2015/12/31/iphone-4s-ios-9-lawsuit/#p2lRMI.64aqZ

To be fair 9.3 seems to have addressed much of the stuttering and it seems more responsive, so that's welcomed. Though I've seen complaints that Apple messed up OpenGl and games are affected.

 

[dk001]

He's more referring to the fact that Radon has been going on and on and on and on about scroll stutter in a few apps (Chrome being one of them) and 100% blamed it on iOS 9 and could never accept the idea that it could be the apps themselves. And yet there he posts that a new version in the works for Chrome solves it entirely within that app. Man iOS 9 is so bad, how dare Apple not optimize 3rd party apps.

Condescending?
So Apple changed something in iOS9 that made a lot of apps (including core apps) run like crapolla and it's the apps fault?
No. It is an issue with the OS that can be addressed app by app. More like using the app to fix an introduced issue. It's also "surprising" that iOS9 gets better and more responsive with each update... if it was the apps fault.
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I ...

Mark my words. We will be left with this unoptimized mess that is iOS 9 and then, Apple will announce how iOS 10 is the "Holy Grail" of smoothness. Wait! didn't they imply the same at the time of iOS 9?

Several bugs including a couple of biggies from 8.4.1 will never be fixed in 8.x and still exist in 9.x. So yes, I can see that happening with 10... and 11... and...

Still, at this time, I do like 9.2.1 better than 8.4.1 even with the issues. It does however, have a long way to go to get "right".

 

[Radon87000]

Same things can be and have been said by others who are worried about bigger issues (stability, functionality, etc.), as well as those who are not really using CC or NC or app switcher and are getting by just fine and aren't affected by the issues. But any time anything like that would come up in relation to iOS 9 it would get shot down by those that care about the issues, just as what you said got shut down in iOS 8 days. Like I said, funny how that works.

You see?Thats teh difference.If you dont use CC/NC/App Switcher to avoid the lag,you are compromising the experience by sacrificing functionality.When I use Accuweather I am not compromising the experience and on the contrary gaining many new features which Weather does not provide.The situations are completely different

 

[C DM]

You see?Thats teh difference.If you dont use CC/NC/App Switcher to avoid the lag,you are compromising the experience by sacrificing functionality.When I use Accuweather I am not compromising the experience and on the contrary gaining many new features which Weather does not provide.The situations are completely different

You aren't compromising the experience of you don't use CC/NC/app switcher much in general, or you use them and the slight framedrop that you usually don't even notice doesn't affect anything for you--you are just doing what you've always been doing. Then the other side of the coin is that just because you are happy with a different weather app doesn't mean that someone else would or should be. Why should they use another app if they want to use the one that is there that they like (for whatever reason)? Seems like that would be compromising their experience.

If it works one way then it similarly works the other way. You seem to be making contradictory statements and trying to make them look different simply because you care about one issue (you are affected by it), but don't care about another (you aren't affected by it).

 

[dk001]

It's the year 2016, I think most of us already expect a 2016 OS to be stable and perform well. This is why I'm not a fan of people justifying all the stuttering etc by saying that safari is now more stable or javascript is more optimized. The look and feel is extremely important, an sluggish OS is just unacceptable.

Going back to the input blocking, after talking about it on this thread so much, I'm starting to notice it everywhere in iOS, I'm noticing how much double/triple tapping I need to do because the OS censors my input. I just wish there was a setting somewhere called "accidental tap prevention" and that I could turn it off. Stop blocking my input!

That is a common factor with iOS and 9 more so. The extra steps I can deal with as they are part of the "Tap A, Swipe B, Select C... " to execute something. The delay from item to item, the pause, is a pita that should not exist and was fixed in iOS8.
[doublepost=1454439510][/doublepost]

I suppose worse in some versions more than others. My air 2, running 8.1 that it came with, was no where near as bad as any version of 9 has been with the input blocking.

When I went from 8.4.1 to 9.0 on my 6+ the delay drove me nuts. Thought it was an input response issue with iOS9 then noticed it was animation driven.

 

[Vexxx]

Alarm clock indeed blocks on edit so long that you often tap on first alarm only to tap it again.

Unlike stutters, I am almost immune to the unnecessary tapping as I can totally eliminate it myself. I just slow down the pace I use my phone.

 

[Merkie]

Spot on. The weather app in IOS 8 was the poster child of everything wrong with that release, that is now looked on as the holy grail of IOS releases. My oh my, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

So? The complaints about the weather app were valid. iOS 9 smoothness issues are all over the OS, not just the weather app, so this is even worse. No one is saying iOS 8 was perfect, only that it was better.

How much does Apple pay you to keep people in denial?

 

[C DM]

So? The complaints about the weather app were valid. iOS 9 smoothness issues are all over the OS, not just the weathet app, so this is even worse. Version N-1 was better than version N. I'm sure version N-2 was better than N-1 too.

Apparently those complaints are not of much validity or at the very leas worthiness when it comes to some of those who are quite vocal about the issues in iOS 9, mainly because they didn't really experience those issues in iOS 8 or really care about them or think they can easily be overlooked and worked around. Sounds familiar, doesn't it...interesting how that works out.

 

[Merkie]

Apparently those complaints are not of much validity or at the very leas worthiness when it comes to some of those who are quite vocal about the issues in iOS 9. Interesting how that works out.

K write a book about. It's so irrelevant what people thought one year ago. Please make your point.

 

[C DM]

K write a book about. It's so irrelevant what people thought one year ago.

Comparing versions from a year ago is relevant, but talking about what people thought about it all at the time and how that compares to how things are being treated now that's somehow not relevant? That's some interesting rationale there. It's almost ironic how many contradictions are coming to light.

 

[Merkie]

Comparing versions from a year ago is relevant, but talking about what people thought it about it all at the time that's not relevant? That's some interesting rationale there. It's almost ironic how many contradictions are coming to light.

Make your point.

My point is this:

Score of each iOS version in terms of speed and smoothness on a scale of 1 to 10:
iOS 6 = 10
iOS 7 = 9
iOS 8 = 8.5
iOS 9 = 6.5 (at best)

Can you spot the delta?

 

[lagwagon]

It's almost ironic how many contradictions are coming to light.

It's not surprising either.