Then your setup works for you not needing them. I still like playing the leading edge FPS’s so my windows computer is a must since I hate consoles, plus I do a lot of programming that I need windows for. iPad works great as the sidepiece for lots of stuff.
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Yes I agree, I am not overly fond of Windows. Only for games and Visual Studio Windows is great. Everything else, it is just a mess IMO. I use macOS for everything else.
Thankfully, this way there is no competition for mainstream programs and games, windows hands down.
Apple does change their mind sometimes, but SJ wasn't actually referring to using a pencil for drawing. He was talking about not having to use a stylus as the main form of input like with the Newton.
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Is a screwdriver better than a hammer?
With 16 Gb RAM Apple tells the developers that they mean business with the platform and developers can think "big". Reminds be very much about the Mac Pro discussions actually.
I would predict a horrible amount of app reloads if one app uses 12-13 Gb RAM. If that was the norm of iPad apps, we better get 64 Gb RAM as RAM management apparently work better on MacOS than iPadOS.
Full "pro" apps : fine but that has not anything to do with iPadOS.
True multitasking as in exporting videos or renders in the background would be nice but would required that the iPad was plugged in (just like the Macs) as the battery life would be terrible. No much portable left would it?
As far as I know, Apple has softened the 5Gb App limit so some apps can allocate more. Remember that iPad usage and iPadOS are still developing quite fast compared to MacOS/Macs so too capable hardware (iPP 16 Gb) is needed for that development to happen.
Yes it does. Hardware is EXACT now. Between the Macbook Air and Macbook Pros and iPad - same M1 (8/8), same 16GB of RAM, same storage (2TB). Only factor different? macOS vs iPadOS.
And multitasking where I can have dozens of programs open on 16GB of RAM and them NOT reload/refresh/suspend in the background.
Things where I can have two audio sources happening at the same time so my music does not stop if I visit a site with a muted video ad playing.
Things like when I need to open dozens of documents in Illustrator where that is taking up 13 GB of my RAM and its not possible on iPad.
Remember, the apps STILL need to function at 5GB, and will prompt the user that the app MIGHT run better with more memory and if you want to allow it. This is still going to be a limitation.
I don't know how anyone can say iPadOS is not holding things back. If everything else is the same (M1, RAM, GPU, ...) and the ONLY difference is iPadOS and macOS - then by definition the iPad not being able to do things my Mac can is indeed iPadOS holding things back.
Everything is the same now EXCEPT the OS. So Adobe should be able to bring the FULL Photoshop/Illustrator. Apple should be able to bring the FULL Final Cut and Logic. We should see Xcode, Finder and not the VERY POOR Files app. But iPadOS still holds things back by not allowing these things.
This should have been bidirectional
iPhone/iPad apps ----> macOS
Macs now can run the iPhone and iPad apps, but iPadOS should allow running macOS apps optimized for M1......since the iPad has M1. But the factor here - iPadOS does not allow this. Again, by definition its holding things back.
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You are extrapolating that it is the fault of IpadOS because the HW is the same. Is there anything technically in iPadOS 15 that makes it impossible to for instance port FCP? If there are no such technical limitations, providing full version of an app is a business decision.
Loaded FCP on my iMac: 220 Mb plus the data which can be much more.
Blender: about 500 Mb including a small 3D project.
It looks like these fully apps would have up to 4.5 Gb of data so handle before the iPad would hit the roof of 5 Gb.
Have you restarted your Mac recently? Apps have tendency to use more RAM over time. I found out that a restart and reloading of documents can significantly minimise RAM usage.
I restart it all the time. You think I wouldn't do something that simple? I am not some average user that doesn't know that I am talking about and needs to be told "turn it off and back on and WOW the issue is fixed".
I constantly need dozens of documents open in Illustrator/Photoshop so I need at least 12+ GB. Something I CANT do on iPadOS. And when things do eat up a lot of resources on iPad, apps that were in the background were suspended and needed a refresh. Never a problem on macOS. macOS I can listen to music and browse websites with ads without my music stopping - multiple sources of audio.
Lack of Finder on iPadOS would make Final Cut Pro useless. I need to organize my workflow a certain way, pulling from external SSDs, copying files to a specific workflow structure. This is not possible on iPad with the poor Files app they have in place.
External displays are another issue with iPadOS. It has the same type of port and allows external displays now, but the resolution and aspect ratio needs to mirror the iPadOS instead of being an entirely separate screen to work with at the display's fullest potential.
Copying data to/from an external thunderbolt drive is much much MUCH slower than on macOS, even though its the same Thunderbolt port.
Sorry I gave you a tip. How should I know how good you are with a computer. Most people, even here, do not know the difference between an app and an OS and much less that killing apps or restarts frees up RAM.
You are talking about workflow that is much better suited for a Mac so I do not get when you want the iPad to do it? Just because the Mac got the M1 chip (actually an iPad chipM1= A14X) does not mean they should do the same type of work. Seem to me you argue that the screwdriver should be a hammer and vice versa.
Look at other workflows when it comes to iPad. It is app centred and not document centred OS like MacOS and that will not change. Windows is/was app centred as well. I have still Windows way of working and I switched 10 years ago so it takes while to relearn.
They are not technically the same. There is one difference. Battery size. MacBook Air is around 25% larger and MacBook Pro is even larger... So the impact of background tasks or swap to disk would be much more evident on iPad. Having said that, this is not the reason, as you could simple plug the iPad in.
The real reason that many deny here is to avoid that iPad Pro becomes a Macbook replacement and people stop buying both....
And that’s the whole point. M1, 16GB of RAM and 2TB on macOS supports this type of workflow. Therefore, iPadOS is holding back the use of the hardware.
It all depends on the workflow, for some yes, for others no. I could say the same for MacOS since I couldn’t do actual work directly on the Mac. If I had one I would use it for the same things I use my iPad Pro for which is more or less everything for my personal stuff except for gaming.
At the same time there are people able to use the iPad Pro as good or better than a Mac, they just have different workflows from either of us.
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I don’t know how anybody can say otherwise - iPadOS is holding back the hardware. It was doing it with the 2020 iPad Pro. And it’s far worse on M1. Surface Pro solves this issue. I can dock it and use the full desktop experience for complex workflow. The processor is too weak for what I need. M1 solves this but I’m forced with iPad + Mac. Which is Apples reason why iPadOS is holding back so people need to buy two devices.
Everyone has different uses. No way I could ever do without a 4k monitor and a MBP/computer. I'm upset that Apple Books on my 12 Pro Max doesn't utilize the full screen - but even if it did, consuming hours and hours of articles/books on my iPad 11' just can't be beat. I can't even imagine an iPad coming close to replacing a computer for me. But I don't use my iPad for that purpose - it's purely a notepad + consumption device and I spend a lot of time reading/taking notes (27 books so far this year) so I justify it for that reason.
I can't wait for the day when we can just fire up a web browser and have XYZ OS for what we need. I love Shadow Cloud. I don't need a $1500 gaming PC - I just fire up Shadow Cloud and I can play the games I want to play with reasonable quality. I envision in <5 years we'll all be doing this for work. At least I hope so. I'm so tired of hauling around work PCs, personal PCs, and my tablet.
I want my tablet to be my only device - connect it to a 4k monitor, remote into a work/gaming PC via browser, good to go. Someday soon maybe?
All this fighting about iPad being a computer boggles my mind. But to each their own.
I did read it. Fact is iPadOS cannot do what macOS can do with complex workflow. Hardware is the same, but OS is different. That is, by definition, holding back. Surface Pro does not have this issue, but it suffers from performance issues that the M1 takes care of. Surface Pro can be both a tablet and a desktop workflow system.
MacOS cannot do what Windows can do for my work, so by that definition MacOS is holding back the hardware. For some people the opposite is true and Windows is holding back the hardware. For other people MacOS cannot do what iPadOS does and by that definition means MacOS is holding back the hardware.
It is as I said in my previous post all down to what you are doing and not any universal fact.
Do you have the latest generation one? I have the previous one and the i7 is not a good i7.
Just looked it up, I have the Pro 5 which is the dual core i7. The newer ones are quad core.
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At that point you are not comparing the same thing. iPadOS and macOS are both Apple. Windows is Microsoft. You are crossing companies at that point for your comparison. Linux does things that macOS and Windows make more difficult too. I like all three for various reasons.
But the same hardware, exact same from SOC, RAM and Storage, is on both iPad and Mac. Only difference is the OS. iPadOS is limiting the software that can excel with high demanding "desktop like" workflow. This is what iPad NEEDS to be. iPadOS is STILL just a slightly enhanced iPhone operating system. It needs to be what the Surface Pro does.
Apple would destroy the Surface Pro sales if they did this. Surface has this major advantage that the iPad does not have and its now starting to be a limiting factor in the usefulness of the hardware to the fullest.
Wacom is what is used in Samsung PC's and tablets. That is why I brought it up, and I belong to several artist and graphic creative groups, and Wacom EMR is considered superior to the others this is the consensus. Many don't care for the slippery feel of the iPad pencil. And no condensation intended. I like Procreate, but it is a small application in both features and power compared to Corel Painter, Clip Studio Pro, Rebelle, etc.First, we were comparing Galaxy vs iPads, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Wacom’s products for the desktop. I said “nothing beats Apple Pencil and Procreate” when compared with other tablets. But even against the desktop, both the Pencil and Procreate stand surprisingly well.
I’ve been working as both art director and producer in the gaming industry for more than a decade, worked with tons art directors and artists, “most artists“ do not agree that Wacom offers a better drawing experience (they do offer more options, though). It’s a personal preference, but mostly it comes down to software - like, there’s no Zbrush or Blender on iPad, for example. 3D, complex workflows - you need a desktop for all of that, for sure. With that said, I see more and more professional artists - comic book artists, illustrators and concept artists switch to iPad and the Apple Pencil because they prefer it. Wacom does have more options, especially with larger canvases, but talking about the Pencil vs Pro Pen 2, Pencil is more natural feeling and a lot of artists agree.
Calling Procreate ”a nice mobile app” seems condescending, considering its capabilities, but if you want a more versatile app, there is Clip Studio as well. Both are comparable (if not superior) to Photoshop for illustration and drawing, as for Corel Painter and Rebelle, as great as they are, these are almost becoming niche programs at this point. Both of these are mostly used by people trying to replicate the traditional artistic tools, which is - in my opinion - becoming less trendy in the art community. Either way, nothing prevents these apps from appearing on the iPad as well, as CSP showed, these are not tied to the desktop in terms of design (and certainly not performance) so I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them on iPads at some point in the future.
Either way, the post was about comparing iPads to Galaxy Tabs for art. Also, no one really draws with the N-trig