Other iPhone 15 Pro crushes the 14 Pro

[okkibs]

Why not shoot everything in 48mp in ProRAW and crop as needed in post which delivers the same results.

Because it doesn't deliver the same result! Otherwise the iPhone wouldn't need 3 different lenses, it could just use a single one and internally convert everything from 48MP to the selected mode. The reason it has 3 lenses is that they're basically 3 different fixed focal length lenses: The 48MP mode is equivalent to 24mm, whereas the 5x tele is equivalent to 120mm.

In other words, depending on the mode the light travels different distances, hence the different focal lenghts. For the 15 Pro they have this folded tetraprism in the tiny space between sensor and housing to increase the focal length up to 120mm.

If you take a 48MP photo as you suggest you can't use this mode, so for example you'd end up with a portrait shot at 24mm which will of course look horrible no matter how much you zoom later, it will just blow up the image.

 

[naturalguy]

The titanium is new. The usb-c is new. The colors are new. The cameras are new/upgraded. The action button is new. The processor has been upgraded. U1 has been upgraded. Modem is upgraded. Wi-Fi has been upgraded. Possibly ram has been upgraded. IPhone pros have increased repairability. Other things may be discovered during the first reviews and tear downs. And that’s just the pros. Not typing another paragraph for the standard 15’s

So you definitely misspoke

Those are all very minor upgrades which is what I said, extremely minor

 

[okkibs]

I only use the 5W charger overnight. I keep the phone between 60-75f.

Who else even owns a 5W charger anymore, that's 5V-only. The weakest one I own is a 20W iPad charger I didn't take out of the packaging since I already have a tiny 40W charger for everything from Apple products like iPhone and iPad to others like the Nintendo Switch. And daytime temperatures here were close to 100F the past couple weeks so I don't have the luxury of climate controlled batteries.

If I do any sort of multitasking on my 13 Pro it heats up noticeably and that's got nothing to do with poweruse. My previous iPhone which was a SE had such short battery life I went beyond 1000 charge cycles in less than 2 years, after the first year battery life was already shot. I'd be in some conference call, the entire device would heat up a good amount and I could just see the percentage go down.

Now I buy the iPhone Pros because I need the extra power and battery life, I can't get by on a SE anymore. And I believe for $999 and up the most pro use smartphone on the market should be able to handle at least 2 years of intense actual pro use without significant battery degradation. But Apple only rates the batteries to 80% remaining capacity at 500 cycles meaning that if you add one cycle every 1.2-1.5 days you can easily be down to 89%-85% health after just a year. And at that point the degradation is there and to me that battery is ready to be replaced.

Apple's 80% mark is set too low. Especially on the iPhone 12 series where every model came with pretty bad battery life out of the box.

 

[NotApplicable]

Mine isn’t. Apple shows 99% and coconut shows 100% with about 170 cycles. I only use the 5W charger overnight. I keep the phone between 60-75f.

I really think the battery health thing has been blown out of proportion and most people are fine. It’s only the hardcore users who use like 8 hours of SOT a day and are fast charging and cycling their batteries like crazy on the daily who are naturally degrading their batteries.

Check your cycles on coconut battery I’m curious how many you have. And curious how many “average” users have. If the cycles are below 200 and you are down to like 88% or less then yeah maybe something could be a little fishy or you just got a worse than average battery. Otherwise if you already have over 400 and you are below 90% I’m not sure why anyone would be complaining.

I have 127 cycles.

All due respect, I’ve bought a new iPhone every year and my usage patterns have not changed.

My iPhone 14 Pro has the lowest capacity remaining by far at the 1-year mark than any prior phones since they started populating the battery health data.

I think your take is wrong.

 

[ShadowGuardian87]

I am still tempted to upgrade but I am going wait on reviews and user experiences before making a final decision. As cool as the 15 pro is the rumors for the 16 pro seem more exciting ( to me). But if I do upgrade I am okay waiting a month or until the holidays to get one. But also, i am still enjoying on my year old 14 pro max lol.

 

[Wig321]

Part of the reason I got hyped initially is because I thought the 15 pro max had an entirely new camera system from the 14 pro max. In reality, it's the same camera just with some software updates and one added 5X zoom. It's great no doubt, but it's not a mind blowing leap if you already have a 14 pro max ( like myself).

It's why I am very hesitant to upgrade as I feel like after the novelty wear a off, the 15 pro will feel like the 14 pro max just with a few tweaks. Will look at reviews and real world user experiences before jumping in. Would rather wait for the 16 pro max/ ultra.

Ray tracing will help me when online grocery shopping and checking the weather. Worth the upgrade.

 

[ToddH]

Because it doesn't deliver the same result! Otherwise the iPhone wouldn't need 3 different lenses, it could just use a single one and internally convert everything from 48MP to the selected mode. The reason it has 3 lenses is that they're basically 3 different fixed focal length lenses: The 48MP mode is equivalent to 24mm, whereas the 5x tele is equivalent to 120mm.

In other words, depending on the mode the light travels different distances, hence the different focal lenghts. For the 15 Pro they have this folded tetraprism in the tiny space between sensor and housing to increase the focal length up to 120mm.

If you take a 48MP photo as you suggest you can't use this mode, so for example you'd end up with a portrait shot at 24mm which will of course look horrible no matter how much you zoom later, it will just blow up the image.

Well that’s exactly what the extra lenses are doing with the 1x camera. The 1x camera will always remain at 24mm equivalent focal length. Same with the ultra wide, it’s 13mm.

The 120mm camera works on its own, not cropped in any way.

They’re not actual extra lenses, only “borrowed” areas from the 48mp sensor. The 1x camera is using 1x=24mm, 1.2X=28mm, 1.5X=35mm cropped or zoomed in images. Here are the screenshots from the Apple event. You can clearly see the zoom increments per focal length selected. These are extra focal lengths from the 1x generated by software.

If you recall, the iPhone 14 pro / max has the 2x camera, which is a crop from the 48mp sensor to give you the 2x or 12mp file. I suppose that will be equivalent to a 42mm lens.

The iPhone 15 pro max is a fantastic looking phone, I’m not shooting it down at all, I’m only pointing out what they are doing with the 1x camera. i don’t need a 5x camera, the 3x is plenty. I wish the sensor was 24~36mp, but it’s still 12mp. I’ll probably buy the new iPhone next year around march or April (possibly). But right now I don’t think the 15 pro max has enough upgrades for me to consider one at the moment.

So there you have it. Images are cropped at 1.5x and lower.

And I just duplicated the exact same thing by holding the 1X camera button down and zooming into 1.2 X and 1.5 X and getting the exact same results without any distortion. Try it yourself and see. The 1.5 X gives me 20 megapixels of image resolution.

 

[Kustom89]

Can Apple please make the dynamic island disappear when watching full screen videos? It’s so ANNOYING watching YouTube videos with that big pill in the way!

 

[DaveXX]

And for those who are buying it’s always a significant and huge upgrade because they have to justify their spent money 😁

why should someone justify anything… if i want to buy sth i buy sth… i don’t have to report that.

the point is what is a huge update? 12k screen? 5tb storage? 300MP camera? 200x zoom?
What i don’t understand is what you expect? Will the iphone have the best cpu/gpu score? probably… so why is that not enough?
Will the iphone pro be the benchmark for photos… at least one of the top 3 so what?
It still have one of the best screens… so what?

And there are many which hated lightning… and its a relief to have one cable and one charger for everything…. this is a huge update what happened just once in the entire lifetime of iphones… so what?

 

[ToddH]

Can Apple please make the dynamic island disappear when watching full screen videos? It’s so ANNOYING watching YouTube videos with that big pill in the way!

It can’t ever disappear because there is a camera and facial recognition modules under the glass. Watching a video full screen with that cut out is something you’ll have to get used to. People had the same issue with the notch. Get an iPad and watch your movies or don’t use full screen.

 

[Zenfor Tech]

iPhone 15 Pink best smartphone

 

[sack_peak]

• Action button looks really useful. One-click access to the camera? Yeah.

As early as 2015, Android has an easy way to access the camera via double clicking the power button.

Fastest way to open camera app on the iPhone is to wake iPhone and press the camera icon on the lock screen.

 

[-M4-]

The different charging port is a big update, but the rest is the usual iterative stuff. My 13 Pro is probably going to last 2 more years unless the 16 gives an actual big upgrade in performance or some new feature that I really want to use.

 

[black_knight]

Please don’t make false statements like this… no reason for YOU to change the phone… and whats wrong with that you don’t have to spend any money?

It wasn’t a false statement. He stated his/her opinion.

 

[DaveXX]

It wasn’t a false statement. He stated his/her opinion.

He didn’t… it is a big difference if i say “the ip15 has no relevant changes for me” or ”the ip15 has no relevant changes”… and this is just false…

 

[TechLord]

I have 127 cycles.

All due respect, I’ve bought a new iPhone every year and my usage patterns have not changed.

My iPhone 14 Pro has the lowest capacity remaining by far at the 1-year mark than any prior phones since they started populating the battery health data.

I think your take is wrong.

Approaching the 1 year mark with my 14 pro and I’m at 90%, for sure the lowest I’ve been at the year mark with any iPhone. And this is with features like AOD turned off.

 

[colonelbutt]

The regular iPhone also has optical zoom. Otherwise the upgrades are all very minor.

unfortunately it doesnt

 

[imagineadam]

I have 127 cycles.

All due respect, I’ve bought a new iPhone every year and my usage patterns have not changed.

My iPhone 14 Pro has the lowest capacity remaining by far at the 1-year mark than any prior phones since they started populating the battery health data.

I think your take is wrong.

What charger do you use? What is the typical ambient temp where you use the phone?

 

[imagineadam]

Approaching the 1 year mark with my 14 pro and I’m at 90%, for sure the lowest I’ve been at the year mark with any iPhone. And this is with features like AOD turned off.

I’d really like to see the data apple is collecting on this. I’m sure there are millions of users out there that don’t turn of the “share analytics” data and apple has tons of data on people’s batteries and health and cycles. So if there is an actual significant problem with the batteries on the 14 pro they are very well aware.

 

[okkibs]

Try it yourself and see.

You aren't wrong but you don't seem to see the issue. You asked the question "Why not shoot everything in 48mp in ProRAW and crop as needed in post which delivers the same results." That works until it doesn't: It works from 28mm all the way to 48mm. That's a short range. Beyond 48mm you'll be below 12MP and soon there'll only be a blurry mess left.

You could take a portrait shot at 24mm in 48MP and crop it later. But to get at least 12MP out of it, you'd have to get much closer to your subject and choose 48mm, ending up with a portrait shot at 48mm, thus changing the composition and perspective compression to where it's not typical for a portrait shot.

You can shoot a portrait at 48mm instead of the typical 85mm but will look very different and that's the point, you can't just shoot everything in the 48MP mode and then crop it. Unless you shoot everything in the range of 28mm-48mm, then yes you can shoot everything on 48MP.

And even then you are still left with a problem: How do you know how close the camera needs to be so that the shot will be just perfect when it's cropped in the end? Unless you really know from experience you might end up being too far away or too close up to get the perspective you wanted. Using the zoom in the camera app allows you to see clearly how your shot will look like.

 

[svnty6rs3]

After the pea size scandal with the verge - I doubt you can trust anything these people say.
For reference, 14 pro max and older versions were not exploding from the gaming.

Though more on the topic, i think it will stay hot and only fixed by iphone 16 pro. If this 15 pm is going to be cooler is only because of titanium body heat dissipation.

100% I'm hoping with how much attention has been placed on the heating issues of the 14 pro recently, that reviewers will make it a focal point to test that out with the 15 pro max to see how hot it runs during various tasks.

My Pro Max starts to heat up even when i'm just browsing the internet using cellular.

 

[ToddH]

You aren't wrong but you don't seem to see the issue. You asked the question "Why not shoot everything in 48mp in ProRAW and crop as needed in post which delivers the same results." That works until it doesn't: It works from 28mm all the way to 48mm. That's a short range. Beyond 48mm you'll be below 12MP and soon there'll only be a blurry mess left.

You could take a portrait shot at 24mm in 48MP and crop it later. But to get at least 12MP out of it, you'd have to get much closer to your subject and choose 48mm, ending up with a portrait shot at 48mm, thus changing the composition and perspective compression to where it's not typical for a portrait shot.

You can shoot a portrait at 48mm instead of the typical 85mm but will look very different and that's the point, you can't just shoot everything in the 48MP mode and then crop it. Unless you shoot everything in the range of 28mm-48mm, then yes you can shoot everything on 48MP.

And even then you are still left with a problem: How do you know how close the camera needs to be so that the shot will be just perfect when it's cropped in the end? Unless you really know from experience you might end up being too far away or too close up to get the perspective you wanted. Using the zoom in the camera app allows you to see clearly how your shot will look like.

Yeah, yeah I know all about perspective and other issues like that because I have been a photographer since 1988. Shooting a portrait with two wide of a lens gives you the so-called “dog nose”effect on humans, because whatever is closest to the camera will be distorted the most, which is most likely the nose. Full body portraits are just fine with a wide angle lens. In fact it let you get more creative sometimes. Even from the waist up, it’s fine. It just depends on the lift you’re wanting to achieve. That’s why I put a 1.7 X or a 2X external lens over the 48 megapixel camera to give me equivalent to a 44mm.

What I meant by mentioning that you can shoot 48 megapixel images and crop in post, I’m stating that you will get the same results as the new iPhone up to 35 mm when cropped in post. I’m not interested in cropping any further than that, I’m really not interested in cropping at all. I prefer high resolution. I have a real Camera, which is the Sony a 7RV and it is a 61 megapixel mirrorless Camera. And also, I am just stating the fact that Apple‘s new camera selections are just based on software options to zoom/crop. They’re using that as a selling point to sell more phones. The 15 pro/pro max isn’t a big enough change or upgrade for me to sell what I have and get another phone. which is lame because I only upgrade because of the camera. That camera doesn’t interest me because it’s the same thing as what I have except for the telephoto.

This is what I use to take a Portraits on my iPhone when I’m not using my Sony, this is the beastcage with the 1.7 X pro series telephoto attached. Most people don’t want to carry this kind of equipment around because it’s bulky or heavy, etc., but my opinion is you get out of it what you put into it.

 

[lindros2]

I have 127 cycles.

All due respect, I’ve bought a new iPhone every year and my usage patterns have not changed.

My iPhone 14 Pro has the lowest capacity remaining by far at the 1-year mark than any prior phones since they started populating the battery health data.

I think your take is wrong.

I agree 100% with this.
I've purchased new phones every 2-2.5 years. Same w/ my wife and kids (who will be going on 3 years w/ iPhone 12).
My wife replaced Xs after a year because it, too, had battery issues. I was close to getting the 15 PM but held off because I have a new Anker 621 battery pack which is slow but does the job. (also charging is much faster and seems to be more ubiquitous than it used to be)

My battery is 88% with 225 cycles (I didn't realize it was this high).

 

[janeauburn]

The 15 Plus looks really interesting, too. Lighter, and they improved the previous Plus in significant ways.

 

[roland.g]

iPhone 15 Pro crushes the 14 Pro in significant ways:

• Lighter: Yes. It's about time.
• Camera: Really introduces features that matter. Smart portrait mode. 120mm zoom mode. 24 mpix high-res standard photos. 48 is too big for many applications. Improved stabilization. This is a camera upgrade that matters, and it makes this new phone worth getting.
• Action button looks really useful. One-click access to the camera? Yeah.
• Rounded edges. So Apple listened to--or heard--the complaints about how uncomfortable these flat-edged, heavy phones are/were. About time.

There's more. But the 15 Pro is on my buy list. What were your takeaways?

The 15 Pro is actually more of a true 14S Pro. I love the solid feel and weight of my 14PM. Not sure I really need lighter. The battery didn't change. I don't have any problem with my 14PM edges. The action button is nothing more than this year's version of the tap back. No one will really use it after a while. And when the biggest potential highlight year after year after year is the camera improvements and they go to serious lengths to over market that, it is just a true sign that for the most part phone technology barring a leaps and bounds type of innovative point is stable and so incremental it is tough to get excited about anymore.

Which brings me to my last point. So glad I made the decision to go from the 12PM to the 14PM last year so that I could maintain Lightning for a while longer. After being an every year or every other upgrader, I'm likely waiting for the 17 OR the Apple foldable.