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iPhone 7 or the Note 7?
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I'm obviously uneducated on the topic but why does EU vs USA make a difference? Does the USA not have WhatsApp?
Erica Griffin goes a little more in-depth and her videos tend to be 15-20 min long. I like seeing some familiar faces there like Marques Brownlee and Josh Vergara. Josh is also buddy buddy with Michael Fisher.
Erica has great taste. Black onyx is her favorite color option too.
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Study all the video previews and reviews. All the ads. Loop it. Sometimes it is more fun to watch them before actually owning the phone. I liked Samsung using "Reptilia" on the Note7's introduction video. Nice one. My theme song in my MySpace flash profile back in the day. I guess Note7 is meant to be for me because Samsung used The Strokes. Then pretend you already own the phone because you know the phone's pros and cons inside/out and plan your look for it.
The best reviewers don't give it numeric scores because a 7 to someone can be a 9 to someone else. Something a written PhoneArena and The Verge review can do which can be open to debate. So the best phone reviewers are objective and just tells us the good and bad for each phone without a score. Erica Griffin is one of the better ones. I liked her LG V10 review. A fairly good phone reviewer YouTube community is there for us to study and decide better. Just watch them.
Erica has great taste. Black onyx is her favorite color option too.
Color Preferences
1. Black Onyx
2. Silver Titanium
3. Blue Coral
4. Gold Platinum
Study all the video previews and reviews. All the ads. Loop it. Sometimes it is more fun to watch them before actually owning the phone. I liked Samsung using "Reptilia" on the Note7's introduction video. Nice one. My theme song in my MySpace flash profile back in the day. I guess Note7 is meant to be for me because Samsung used The Strokes. Then pretend you already own the phone because you know the phone's pros and cons inside/out and plan your look for it.
The best reviewers don't give it numeric scores because a 7 to someone can be a 9 to someone else. Something a written PhoneArena and The Verge review can do which can be open to debate. So the best phone reviewers are objective and just tells us the good and bad for each phone without a score. Erica Griffin is one of the better ones. I liked her LG V10 review. A fairly good phone reviewer YouTube community is there for us to study and decide better. Just watch them.
I understand why people would stay for iMessage. Just like people stayed for BBM. It's convenient. And you feel more included (even exclusive?).
I just don't think it's worth it.
As I said before, I have zero issues texting friends and family, many of whom are on iPhones. There are comparable (even better?) messaging apps these days and carriers now commonly offer unlimited texting. So I fully understand it; just don't think it's worth it anymore. Might've been more true a year or so ago.
I think same can be said of many things that are, today, keeping those people in the iOS "ecosystem." So much of what you want can be so closely recreated on the Android side that they're not worth staying behind for, in my opinion.
The iPhone is a fine phone and if your preference is for iOS, no one is here to stop you. Just that the reasons to stay -- ranging from iMessage, to having Mac devices (again, I'm all macs at home, too), to even updates -- don't convince me enough considering there are good solutions to many of these things on the Android side. And what you would gain...!
It's a shame many are missing out over those few conveniences. Maybe more poignant: It's a shame Apple doesn't want to drive the technology and software as much as they used to and as much as the competition are.
I just don't think it's worth it.
As I said before, I have zero issues texting friends and family, many of whom are on iPhones. There are comparable (even better?) messaging apps these days and carriers now commonly offer unlimited texting. So I fully understand it; just don't think it's worth it anymore. Might've been more true a year or so ago.
I think same can be said of many things that are, today, keeping those people in the iOS "ecosystem." So much of what you want can be so closely recreated on the Android side that they're not worth staying behind for, in my opinion.
The iPhone is a fine phone and if your preference is for iOS, no one is here to stop you. Just that the reasons to stay -- ranging from iMessage, to having Mac devices (again, I'm all macs at home, too), to even updates -- don't convince me enough considering there are good solutions to many of these things on the Android side. And what you would gain...!
It's a shame many are missing out over those few conveniences. Maybe more poignant: It's a shame Apple doesn't want to drive the technology and software as much as they used to and as much as the competition are.
In the US, it's a big deal. Most people still use SMS/MMS as carriers offer these as "unlimited" at no extra cost with most plans. So we don't have the need to use Whatsapp, etc. since SMS/MMS don't cost us anything extra. So the messages app on the iPhone offers a seamless platform for iMessage and SMS/MMS. I prefer using iMessage as 99% of the people I message/contact on a regular basis have an iPhone. And the biggest reason I prefer iMessage is it's ability to send high resolution videos and photos using that same messages app. I don't have to switch to WhatsApp or anything else just to send a video or photo. And MMS is crap when it comes to sharing videos and photos.. we, as a very large family with lots of kiddos, share lots of media, so having it all be high resolution is very nice. And when I am using android thus forcing an entire conversation with my family or friends who all have iPhones to SMS/MMS, it can get frustrating when sharing photos / videos because it is now sending over MMS instead of iMessage.
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With that being said, I will likely give the Note 7 a try (I tried the Note 5 and wasn't a big fan). I can get a phone through my employer so I will likely get a Note 7 for work and then the iPhone 7 Plus (or 6SEPlus) on my personal line. And maybe eventually get away from iMessage and just sim swap with my work phone number/sim to whatever device I want to use for that day.
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Base 64gb is great....its also the only option. I need far more internal, high speed storage than that. A microSD card is a poor substitute for built in memory.
It is NOT waterproof. IP68 is water resistant. I work with some Samsung folks and they complain customers get this wrong constantly.
Stylus - leave it to personal preference here....had a Note 5 and never used the S-Pen for anything other than messing around.
That iris scanner supposedly can burn your retinas. Faster fingerprint scanner is more ideal in my opinion - many times I don't want to be looking at my phone to unlock it. If this is about security, Samsung should fix the factory reset bypass first.
OLED curved display - OLED is great, curved hasn't really provided any real advantages hence the curve getting smaller and smaller. But it does feel GREAT in hand and unless its a display device, you don't really have the burn in issues anymore so. I fully expect the rumors that Apple is gearing up for OLED next year to be true. That being said, having the best IPS LCD on the planet isn't too shabby....
HDR ready - plays to Samsung's current base of users who love the more vibrant, unrealistic colors of their phones and TVs. I don't buy samsung TVs and I usually switch to the most color accurate mode for the phone so this does nothing for me.
Expandable storage - see above, compromise performance = no go. I need at least 128gb for the stuff I use normally, I don't want half that to be stuck on a slower card.
VR Headset - I'm sorry but for me this is just so gimmicky.....I never used mine. Likely never will. I don't agree with Tim Cook at this point - I do think VR is a niche but we'll see where it goes. Sony' PlayStation VR makes a bit more sense because its centered around gaming with a much more powerful device driving content and graphics. Still I'm out on VR for now until I see something that makes it truly compelling. AR is more practical.
Free stuff - lol, yes so innovative to give away free stuff with the phone that isn't even out yet. Heck, carriers are BOGOing the device already too.
Since the iP7 isn't out yet, I'm not going to argue what Apple has that Samsung doesn't at this point. I don't necessarily expect the 7 to be a huge upgrade, though I am excited at a few things (finally ditching a decades old technology in favor of something that provides much higher quality audio). I will say I do hope Apple ups the storage base only because it would likely increase the tiers offered and I would love a 256gb iPhone 7. I also hope Apple finally markets the iPhone as water resistant because the 6S was extremely close, but throwing the tag behind it gives Apple the liability. Other than those two things, I'd prefer better battery life over any of the stuff you mentioned. But hey, good for people to have options.
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Ya I agree with that - though its odd (maybe I'm just so used to it) but I've never found the iP# Plus hard to handle - even when compared to smaller Android phones with bigger screens. Perhaps its just the way its designed and, again, my hand is just used to it. But it would be nice for smaller bezels.
All signs point to Apple making a big jump in that area though - multiple well respected sources have confirmed Apple plans to release a bezel-less phone for the 10th anniversary. Would be nice to gradually get there but, it doesn't really affect my use of the phone and if they've got it in the works that's exciting.
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Also in iOS 10, iMessage is getting a ton of new features - even over and above the somewhat gimmicky special effects. Things like in line attachments for websites and music - you can actually preview the attachments there. Looks super nice and is extremely convenient.
Yeah we also have unlimited texts in the UK as standard on most contracts, we have for years but still most people choose to use WhatsApp instead.
The ability to lower the resolution to 720p and 1080p is a big deal to me. The gif maker is a bonus since I have a ton of videos and will have fun making gifs with certain scenes and facial expressions from my favorite comedies since most people here should be aware I post alot of memes and gifs when I can. I did this as far back during my MySpace days (2005) on my profile and in other forums. I still have a Photobucket account which still has alot of photos and gifs I posted from over a decade ago.
Erica Griffin owns a black onyx S7 edge which she states looks alot like the Note7. I thought the S7 edge looks slightly better than Note7 because it is slightly narrower and shorter. But Erica stated the Note7 is more perfectly symmetrical than her S7 edge, so I will trust her word on it. I prefer balance. Not aesthetics. The real deal maker is that adjustment to a lower resolution. I also like writing a note to myself and have it on the screen. Like a personal Post-It.
Damn, Samsung.
*bows to the current king*
They nailed it. The VR is my main reason for one. Not even interested in the LG V20 and HTC Nexus phones anymore. Who cares when I already know what the best phone is. A grand slam with the best smartphone Samsung ever made.
Erica Griffin owns a black onyx S7 edge which she states looks alot like the Note7. I thought the S7 edge looks slightly better than Note7 because it is slightly narrower and shorter. But Erica stated the Note7 is more perfectly symmetrical than her S7 edge, so I will trust her word on it. I prefer balance. Not aesthetics. The real deal maker is that adjustment to a lower resolution. I also like writing a note to myself and have it on the screen. Like a personal Post-It.
Damn, Samsung.
*bows to the current king*
They nailed it. The VR is my main reason for one. Not even interested in the LG V20 and HTC Nexus phones anymore. Who cares when I already know what the best phone is. A grand slam with the best smartphone Samsung ever made.
I'd personally have no problem using a third party messaging solution if it was near ubiquitous and offered a high level of performance (that's not a description of SMS/MMS) but there is nothing else that comes close amongst my contacts. WhatsApp has a fraction of the percentage of users in the US--mentioned in another thread that 3 of my hundreds of contacts had WhatsApp accounts and none were actively using it.
I have zero desire to use a half dozen different messaging platforms and iMessage easily comes the closest to that desired target. It's also the best solution to stay in contact with my kids, nieces and nephews that don't have phones but have iPads. I could absolutely find an alternate solution but what I've used in the past isn't as simple and seamless and iMessage personally offers a lot of value for my use case. I don't feel locked in by it but it certainly carries some weight when considering switching to an Android phone.
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Held a Note 7 this weekend. I haven't held a Note in a while, and the first thing that struck me was how light it was. Then I compared it to my 6S+ and dang, remember when these phones were big?
Overall good stuff, and I did try to put the pen in backwards because I knew it wouldn't break. Sure enough, they have fixed the issue. Still not a Touchwiz fan, but still a really nice device.
Overall good stuff, and I did try to put the pen in backwards because I knew it wouldn't break. Sure enough, they have fixed the issue. Still not a Touchwiz fan, but still a really nice device.
By many measures, if the iPhone wasn't an Apple device, it'd be considered a mid-ranger.
Only by people who put no stock into what actually makes a phone useful.....
If you go by a spec sheet, perhaps. but bigger battery doesn't mean better battery life. Higher MP doesn't mean better photo, more cores doesn't mean faster processor/better performance....
Most here just use what came on their phone, so that means either the default SMS/mms app or facebook. If you want to use something else, then you have to get other people to download the app, make an account, and have them logged in, which is pain especially when you can just send a text and they'll get it without any of the fuss.
And that's what's great about iMessage, there is no fuss. Lots of times I just go to send an SMS when it turns blue while I'm writing it and goes off as an iMessage. I didn't even know they were using an iPhone. No other messaging service is like that.
Are you saying mid rangers can't be useful?
"Perhaps," if you go by specs? Did you mean, "definitely?" What is there to be unsure about when it comes to specs?
Also, what is it lately with this notion that hardware doesn't matter anymore? Notice this argument is rather new and emerging -- uncoincidentally -- just as Apple has begun losing the hardware game. Why? Hardware doesn't matter anymore now just because Apple doesn't want to compete on those fronts? Why did having the best screen or the best camera suddenly stop mattering when Apple lost those realms? Why was it so easy to call the iPhone the best in the past, but now so difficult to do the same for the competition?
Of course, everybody knows just cause you have the best specs doesn't automatically equate to the best experience. But even if you didn't want to talk specs (fine by me) and just wanted to look at what both sides' flagship devices can do, the iPhone does less. I don't know how anyone can argue their way out of that one. If you prefer the iPhone, that's fine. The iPhone still does many things well, and they still do a few things better than others, but that can be said of any competitor. For example, HTC still does a few things better than Samsung today, no question. And I'm sure Blackberry did a few things better than the competition, too, even as they were being beaten by said competition (not equating Apple to BB here; as I've argued before, I think Apple is rather far from doom).
As of today, Samsung is offering better hardware both in terms of features and design, and better, if not, comparable software in features and OS freedom (customization isn't just about aesthetics).
There's little the iPhone can do better, especially when compared to the Note 7. I don't anticipate that'll change with this year's iPhone. If you prefer the iPhone, no one is stopping you, but I feel my statement still stands: By many measures, the iPhone would be considered a mid-ranger.
Think about it this way: imagine if it was Apple pushing better screens, better camera, more features like wireless charging or IP water certifications, expandable storage, edge-displays, better form-factor, bigger batteries, or IRIS scanners, or HDR mode or VR. How would this conversation be different? Imagine on the software side, it was Apple that had a consistent back button, or consistent security measures, or the better keyboard, the freedom to customize and theme, or if iOS was pushing desktop-like capabilities. How would this conversation be different? Imagine all that on top of their superior customer service and updates? Again, how would the conversation be different?
If only Apple would give us the opportunity to find out.
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No need to register or even open up appstore to search for the app if you send invitations to your contacts within whatsapp. People are way to lazy.
I agree here too, and I am also interested to see what Google brings with Allo and Duo.
I'm going to regret replying here. My replies are above, in bold.
TLDR? Don't randomly discredit legitimate features because you don't like them, or because you want to feel better about your choice. Just be happy with what you got.
This has been the crux of Apple apologists for a long time. Because Apple isn't doing it, it's not important or doesn't matter to them.
I am quite literal when I say some people won't fully understand or appreciate certain features until Apple does them. And that's unfortunate.
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It's not bad at all. I use adoptable storage on one of my phones, and the card handled everything I thrown on to it, including heavy games just fine. No hiccups whatsoever.
It would take something like VR or processing a video edit direct from the phone to notice any difference. Most of the apps that still refuse to store on internal, are because of security reasons, like some default, banking, financial, and password manager apps. But those take up very little space.
I'm glad you said "supposedly", cause that's complete nonsense. Iris scanning does no harm to the eyes.
The security bypass you are speaking of really is not a bypass. You can't do it with out wiping the phone clean. And even then, you won't be able to use Google or Samsung services if you didn't disable security. Probably can't register finger prints again neither.
You just shot yourself in the foot, by saying you never used VR. And AR is not more practical, it's much harder to implement and will probably require better specs than VR to make it somewhat realistic.
I'm damn sure not complaining about getting a $200+ 256gb memory card. Or the choice of a Gear Fit 2 or 1 year Netflix. Apple won't even through in the $99 Pencil with the iPad Pro, which is one of the main reasons to get one.
I should fix that - I used my VR once, didn't see the benefit so it never came back out of the drawer until I sold it. Won't be getting one with my Note 7, nor would I buy an Apple designed one unless it did something vastly different than current options do.
And I'm sorry, but complaining about not giving away a product is not an argument. Great that Samsung does that - usually when you give stuff away it's either because you recognize a flaw or need or want to entice people to buy a product that is otherwise not enticing enough on its own.
Personally I'd buy the Note 7 regardless because it's not a daily driver so the storage isn't as big a concern. I agree, it's nice they throw it in there though because if I was using it as my main device, I'd HAVE to get one.
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I've used every Samsung flagship phone of the last 2 years. There's nothing there "pushing the envelope" of what I can do on my smartphone. I didn't do anything new, it didn't make me any more productive. They're just nice(ish) phones. After having had all Samsung different device types, I do believe the Note is their best and look forward to it.
But to me, the difference is just in software. There's no more I can do with a Samsung phone and I have to fit it into my device lineup rather than have it just fall into place. I'm tech savvy, it's not difficult. But it's just not an iPhone and that's what I prefer.
My gripe is simply the other way - Apple's not pushing camera tech, yet Samsung went "backwards" on the MP count and started improving on the things Apple had already been focusing on. Apple doesn't push battery tech, yet their smaller batteries get better battery life. Apple isn't pushing display technology, yet the iPhone consistently has the best IPS LCD there is and the 9.7 iPad Pro was rated best mobile display ever by Display Mate (cinema SRGB accuracy, True Tone). Apple isn't pushing performance, yet their dual core chips routinely outperform the best Snapdragons on the market. Apple isn't pushing durability yet they use space grade aluminum and a Corning glass co-developed by Apple and Corning that's stronger than GG4. Apple isn't pushing software, yet 3D Touch give you trackpad like capabilities with shortcut menus and a selector/cursor. Not to mention things like iMessage, Continuity, iCloud backups....
I haven't even mentioned anything rumored like a dual camera system, contactless wireless charging, a new, better version of Bluetooth, moving away from outdated connectors like the 3.5mm audio jack in favor of lightning for full lossless playback, a completely bezel-less phone....probably missed some.
Again, we're all for preference. But don't tell me Apple isn't doing anything. Your argument against me goes the same way. Just because you don't find certain things useful or exciting doesn't mean they aren't worthwhile or innovative.
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If 64gb is more than enough for most - 32gb is just fine for most and is what I hope Apple moves to this year. Like I said above, I completely agree 16gb as a base storage is absurd. I also fully expect Apple to up that and will be disappointed if they don't.
However, how much is a 64gb Note 7 vs a 64gb 6S Plus (likely the same or similar in price to the 7 Plus)?
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Please show me where I told you Apple isn't doing anything.
As for the rest of it, it's not worth sifting through your apologies. Samsung went back to a 12 MP camera that allows for better low light photos (which went on to have the best rated camera) and you're complaining? Isn't this what you wanted Samsung to do? I remember your posts. All these calls for Samsung to stop throwing everything at the wall. Become more focused like Apple, you said! And so even when they do this, you complain that they're taking things backwards.
Sorry, your reputation precedes you.
I pre ordered the Note 7 last week, can't see any reason for the iPhone 7, so in jumping ship.
You can always jump back if Apple gives you reason enough to.
About the note 7, I can't imagine a better Android device to first try Android on.
Uhh, I'm not complaining about Samsung at all. Didn't I just say the Note is their best phone? I never said they were going backwards....merely stated that when they started focusing on things Apple was already focusing on, they got better. My point being that Apple had already been pushing that envelope.
You just pulled some random crap from somewhere else and ignored my entire post. Cool, good to know I'm right.
Looking forward to both phones - made that clear earlier. I have a Note 7 on preorder. But this idea that Samsung is the only company "pushing the envelope" is just laughable. Especially when the best y'all come up with is water resistance and removable storage.
Again, Note 7 looks great. iPhone 7 may not be a huge upgrade but then again neither if the Note. The things Apple is tweaking look beneficial to me. And the thing rumored to be on the horizon look awesome.
All I've got to say on it. My rep precedes me so I guess thats the end of that.