iPhone 8 or Note 8?

[jamesrick80]

I recommend anyone with a Note 8 or a Galaxy device period to use Google Keep and create a widget for it. This app holds my life and allows me to set reminders and alarms, make quick notes, allows me to attach photos that I need to go back to or view screenshots attached to a note, and allows me to pin any important note. Since everything is saved to Google cloud, you will have this for your life. I probably have over 3 years of my life in some sort on Google Keep.

For note users, this is a very useful app and a good replacement for the newest Samsung Notes app. For more broader types of notes, OneNote is the best.

 

[Klyster]

Hadn't the Note received a couple of updates already?
I know it's nice to do video editing on a sub 6" screen, but how many people here do it on their phone?
Serious question, a show of hands please.

Me first, I know I can do it, and it would be great if I needed to do it but I've never done it on a phone, I'd do it on my pc, unless it was an emergency maybe?

 

[thunng8]

Hadn't the Note received a couple of updates already?
I know it's nice to do video editing on a sub 6" screen, but how many people here do it on their phone?
Serious question, a show of hands please.

Me first, I know I can do it, and it would be great if I needed to do it but I've never done it on a phone, I'd do it on my pc, unless it was an emergency maybe?

I do it occasionally not often. For less complicated edits it is great.

I did have an s8 for a short time earlier this year and it bothered me that doing anything cpu intensive was slow. slower than the 6s plus. A new phone shouldn’t be slower than a 2 year old phone.

My biggest annoyance was editing my a7rII raw photos in Lightroom which I do quite often when I didn’t bring my iPad Pro.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Hadn't the Note received a couple of updates already?
I know it's nice to do video editing on a sub 6" screen, but how many people here do it on their phone?
Serious question, a show of hands please.

Me first, I know I can do it, and it would be great if I needed to do it but I've never done it on a phone, I'd do it on my pc, unless it was an emergency maybe?

I've done some editing on Samsung's Movie Maker app. It's pretty good for simple editing, and completely free. Also did some more robust editing using the KineMaster app. Nothing too serious though.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Imagine waking up today with a Note 8 knowing it could be years or never if you ever get a major update, while iPhone 8 comes updated and most other iPhone users are updating their phones.

But that is not the case. Look at the track record of the s6, s7, and s8. The note will be updated sure two more Android variants, at least. Beyond that....I don't care. I will have another phone, and so will not of you.

The point is similar to the a11. Outside of AR, the performance difference will never be noticed. There a9 , according to this thread, is faster than the 835.... Yet the note 8 is faster. Can the 6s can hold 29 apps in memory for multitasking? Can the iphone x? The note 8 can (YouTube video I posted in the note 8 thread). My iPad pro 12.9 (2nd gen) can't.

These benchmarks are useless. So is the update argument. Yes and iPhone may receive updates for 4 years, but by year two or three the features are limited and the phone begins to slow. Yes you get the update as soon as it was released, but Samsung phones get an update on a yearly basis. If you look at it from a calendar standpoint, the Samsung updates are nearly Clockwork on a yearly basis. Therefore it's largely equal to the iPhone, but that is not how the public perceives it

 

[spinedoc77]

But that is not the case. Look at the track record of the s6, s7, and s8. The note will be updated sure two more Android variants, at least. Beyond that....I don't care. I will have another phone, and so will not of you.

The point is similar to the a11. Outside of AR, the performance difference will never be noticed. There a9 , according to this thread, is faster than the 835.... Yet the note 8 is faster. Can the 6s can hold 29 apps in memory for multitasking? Can the iphone x? The note 8 can (YouTube video I posted in the note 8 thread). My iPad pro 12.9 (2nd gen) can't.

These benchmarks are useless. So is the update argument. Yes and iPhone may receive updates for 4 years, but by year two or three the features are limited and the phone begins to slow. Yes you get the update as soon as it was released, but Samsung phones get an update on a yearly basis. If you look at it from a calendar standpoint, the Samsung updates are nearly Clockwork on a yearly basis. Therefore it's largely equal to the iPhone, but that is not how the public perceives it

I agree about how useless the speed comparisons are. But definitely disagree on the software updates. Oreo is out NOW, but we won't see it for 8 months based on Samsung's reputation.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

I agree about how useless the speed comparisons are. But definitely disagree on the software updates. Oreo is out NOW, but we won't see it for 8 months based on Samsung's reputation.

Again.... It is a calendar thing. Oreo may be out, but we will see the note updated before it is a year old. We will then see it tossed again, before it is two years old. The iPhone is updated every 365 days (major updates). So are pixels...and so are flagship Samsung phones. This is nothing more than a perception issue. Samsung doesn't make Android, so people consider the phones out of date as soon as Android is rolled out. But if you view the phones on their own merit, and their own schedule, then the disparity is much less.

I am afraid I am not articulating this correctly.

The public once the new thing as soon as it is announced, but that is not how it works for Samsung. But at the same time, their phones are updated as frequently from a length of time perspective as other phones.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Again.... It is a calendar thing. Oreo may be out, but we will see the note updated before it is a year old. We will then see it tossed again, before it is two years old. The iPhone is updated every 365 days (major updates). So are pixels...and so are flagship Samsung phones. This is nothing more than a perception issue. Samsung doesn't make Android, so people consider the phones out of date as soon as Android is rolled out. But if you view the phones on their own merit, and their own schedule, then the disparity is much less.

I am afraid I am not articulating this correctly.

The public once the new thing as soon as it is announced, but that is not how it works for Samsung. But at the same time, their phones are updated as frequently from a length of time perspective as other phones.

Also the fact that Google is sporadic with their release dates doesn't help. This is the first time Google has ever released a full version update just one day apart from the previous version. All the previous versions where a difference of multiple months, some in different seasons.

 

[mi7chy]

Imagine waking up today with a Note 8 knowing it could be years or never if you ever get a major update, while iPhone 8 comes updated and most other iPhone users are updating their phones.

Who cares about frequent updates when iPhone iOS is about 6 years behind. It doesn't yet have the basics like putting icons anywhere on the home screen, no split screen multitasking, no background multitasking, etc. Another big example is iOS 11 just got HEVC codec support which Samsung have had for years since about 2013.

 

[spinedoc77]

Again.... It is a calendar thing. Oreo may be out, but we will see the note updated before it is a year old. We will then see it tossed again, before it is two years old. The iPhone is updated every 365 days (major updates). So are pixels...and so are flagship Samsung phones. This is nothing more than a perception issue. Samsung doesn't make Android, so people consider the phones out of date as soon as Android is rolled out. But if you view the phones on their own merit, and their own schedule, then the disparity is much less.

I am afraid I am not articulating this correctly.

The public once the new thing as soon as it is announced, but that is not how it works for Samsung. But at the same time, their phones are updated as frequently from a length of time perspective as other phones.

That doesn't make sense to me. Everything is a calendar thing, but if it's released 8 months after google then it's seriously late. It's like saying the iPhone X got iOS11, but the iPhone 8 has to wait 8 months before it gets it, as an iPhone 8 owner you wouldn't be peeved in the least?

 

[Zipster3]

Who cares about frequent updates when iPhone iOS is about 6 years behind. It doesn't yet have the basics like putting icons anywhere on the home screen, no split screen multitasking, no background multitasking, etc. Another big example is iOS 11 just got HEVC codec support which Samsung have had for years since about 2013.

Probably those that buy a phone with a year old OS, then spend 6 months trying to keep it running smooth and then you go to sell it and its worth half what you paid.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Probably those that buy a phone with a year old OS, then spend 6 months trying to keep it running smooth and then you go to sell it and its worth half what you paid.

Is trolling fun?

 

[Zipster3]

Is trolling fun?

Have you read the name of the thread, pot kettle type post that one.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

That doesn't make sense to me. Everything is a calendar thing, but if it's released 8 months after google then it's seriously late. It's like saying the iPhone X got iOS11, but the iPhone 8 has to wait 8 months before it gets it, as an iPhone 8 owner you wouldn't be peeved in the least?

Samsung doesn't make the software. Google does. Samsung then adds to it and releases it.

The iPhone gets it's updated yearly. The pixel does. So does Samsung. The average consumer doesn't care who made the software or how long ago Google released it. They care that they get an update roughly a year later, just like other people phones. If someone has only ever owned a Galaxy phone, and is on the yearly update cycle of skdtesdee, and bi yesrly hardware updates...what's the difference?

Again it is percieved as late, because Google released it prior.

The iPhone 8 will get is 12 in one year. The note 8 will get Oreo in 4-6 months. Who got the major update first?

Is the note 8 less powerful than the pixel or iPhone 8, now? If it isn't outdated now, and it gets it's first major update prior to full year from release....then it got it's update first.

I don't know how else to articulate this. 2

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Have you read the name of the thread, pot kettle type post that one.

So that excuses a baseless, argumentative post?

 

[Zipster3]

The note 8 will get Oreo in 4-6 months.

One can only dream

 

[Technarchy]

I agree about how useless the speed comparisons are. But definitely disagree on the software updates. Oreo is out NOW, but we won't see it for 8 months based on Samsung's reputation.

Devils advocate: What features in Oreo would add much of anything to the Note?

It’s not like iOS where you need updates from Apple for many new features. Samsung’s strain of android is already miles ahead of vanilla in terms of features.

As long as Samsung is applying security patches which my S8+ gets every 4 to 6 weeks, I’m not too concerned about getting Oreo overnight.

 

[yui4]

Samsung doesn't make the software. Google does. Samsung then adds to it and releases it.

The iPhone gets it's updated yearly. The pixel does. So does Samsung. The average consumer doesn't care who made the software or how long ago Google released it. They care that they get an update roughly a year later, just like other people phones. If someone has only ever owned a Galaxy phone, and is on the yearly update cycle of skdtesdee, and bi yesrly hardware updates...what's the difference?

Again it is percieved as late, because Google released it prior.

The iPhone 8 will get is 12 in one year. The note 8 will get Oreo in 4-6 months. Who got the major update first?

Is the note 8 less powerful than the pixel or iPhone 8, now? If it isn't outdated now, and it gets it's first major update prior to full year from release....then it got it's update first.

I don't know how else to articulate this. 2

You’ve articulated it just fine. For me personally I don’t buy a phone worrying about updates, they’re at the stage now whereby they are pretty incremental in all operating systems. I buy a phone on the merits it comes with out of the box.

The reality is people use this as a flogging stick to beat Samsung as they’re not supported for 3 or 4 years, I’m pretty confident that 99% of the people arguing are into tech and won’t have that phone for even half the time it’s supported!

 

[BlueGoldAce]

You’ve articulated it just fine. For me personally I don’t buy a phone worrying about updates, they’re at the stage now whereby they are pretty incremental in all operating systems. I buy a phone on the merits it comes with out of the box.

The reality is people use this as a flogging stick to beat Samsung as they’re not supported for 3 or 4 years, I’m pretty confident that 99% of the people arguing are into tech and won’t have that phone for even half the time it’s supported!

Exactly....you hit it on the nail.

It's all just handwaving at this point. It is highly ironic that the person that Champions iOS for its long-term support, spends the money every year to get the brand new iPhone; rendering the advantage null.

 

[Technarchy]

Exactly....you hit it on the nail.

It's all just handwaving at this point. It is highly ironic that the person that Champions iOS for its long-term support, spends the money every year to get the brand new iPhone; rendering the advantage null.

It's a good point. And most Samsung phones tend to get at least 2 major android updates, so you're good for at least 24 months if you own phones for a longer period of time.

 

[jamezr]

Devils advocate: What features in Oreo would add much of anything to the Note?

It’s not like iOS where you need updates from Apple for many new features. Samsung’s strain of android is already miles ahead of vanilla in terms of features.

As long as Samsung is applying security patches which my S8+ gets every 4 to 6 weeks, I’m not too concerned about getting Oreo overnight.

Great point.......what features from Oreo are missing on the Note 8? All the core apps are updated through the Playstore. Security updates have been consistently updated from Samsung. So what is missing? Nothing really.

 

[Puddled]

But that is not the case. Look at the track record of the s6, s7, and s8. The note will be updated sure two more Android variants, at least. Beyond that....I don't care. I will have another phone, and so will not of you.

The point is similar to the a11. Outside of AR, the performance difference will never be noticed. There a9 , according to this thread, is faster than the 835.... Yet the note 8 is faster. Can the 6s can hold 29 apps in memory for multitasking? Can the iphone x? The note 8 can (YouTube video I posted in the note 8 thread). My iPad pro 12.9 (2nd gen) can't.

These benchmarks are useless. So is the update argument. Yes and iPhone may receive updates for 4 years, but by year two or three the features are limited and the phone begins to slow. Yes you get the update as soon as it was released, but Samsung phones get an update on a yearly basis. If you look at it from a calendar standpoint, the Samsung updates are nearly Clockwork on a yearly basis. Therefore it's largely equal to the iPhone, but that is not how the public perceives it

i still get security updates from samsung.

(S6)

 

[spinedoc77]

Samsung doesn't make the software. Google does. Samsung then adds to it and releases it.

The iPhone gets it's updated yearly. The pixel does. So does Samsung. The average consumer doesn't care who made the software or how long ago Google released it. They care that they get an update roughly a year later, just like other people phones. If someone has only ever owned a Galaxy phone, and is on the yearly update cycle of skdtesdee, and bi yesrly hardware updates...what's the difference?

Again it is percieved as late, because Google released it prior.

The iPhone 8 will get is 12 in one year. The note 8 will get Oreo in 4-6 months. Who got the major update first?

Is the note 8 less powerful than the pixel or iPhone 8, now? If it isn't outdated now, and it gets it's first major update prior to full year from release....then it got it's update first.

I don't know how else to articulate this. 2

Of course Google updates Android, but what does that have to do with anything? Oreo is out RIGHT NOW. I have no problem cutting Samsung 1-2 months slack for them to add their UI and test Oreo, but 8 months is just atrocious. Even then I have no doubt Samsung could get beta code and begin to add their UI and test well before Oreo was even released.

I understand what you are saying about yearly cycles, if you want to live in a vacuum and pretend Oreo was not released already. I don't care to live in a "perceived" bubble world where I make believe that Google has not released an OS update.

I think we just differ in opinion as to the importance of having timely updates. You don't really care, and that is all good. But I do, especially when paying 1k for a phone.
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Devils advocate: What features in Oreo would add much of anything to the Note?

It’s not like iOS where you need updates from Apple for many new features. Samsung’s strain of android is already miles ahead of vanilla in terms of features.

As long as Samsung is applying security patches which my S8+ gets every 4 to 6 weeks, I’m not too concerned about getting Oreo overnight.

Maybe, but it's still besides the point. If Samsung wants to create their own fork of Android they are welcome to do so, but they haven't and should keep up with the OS updates. But there are a lot of features that Oreo has that I would love to have, in addition to whatever streamlining and improving Google did to the OS core itself.

 

[Puddled]

Of course Google updates Android, but what does that have to do with anything? Oreo is out RIGHT NOW. I have no problem cutting Samsung 1-2 months slack for them to add their UI and test Oreo, but 8 months is just atrocious. Even then I have no doubt Samsung could get beta code and begin to add their UI and test well before Oreo was even released.

I understand what you are saying about yearly cycles, if you want to live in a vacuum and pretend Oreo was not released already. I don't care to live in a "perceived" bubble world where I make believe that Google has not released an OS update.

I think we just differ in opinion as to the importance of having timely updates. You don't really care, and that is all good. But I do, especially when paying 1k for a phone.
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Maybe, but it's still besides the point. If Samsung wants to create their own fork of Android they are welcome to do so, but they haven't and should keep up with the OS updates. But there are a lot of features that Oreo has that I would love to have, in addition to whatever streamlining and improving Google did to the OS core itself.

There is no such thing as a "timely update". As a notion, it doesn't exist. Be it apple, android or microsoft.

Nothing is created instantly. It takes just as long (or longer perhaps) for apple to release updates as it does google/samsung etc. But with apple you only get to see the update once its birthed, Google is open so you get to see the dating, fumbling, conception, pregnancy and the delivery before the birth.

 

[spinedoc77]

There is no such thing as a "timely update". As a notion, it doesn't exist. Be it apple, android or microsoft.

Nothing is created instantly. It takes just as long (or longer perhaps) for apple to release updates as it does google/samsung etc. But with apple you only get to see the update once its birthed, Google is open so you get to see the dating, fumbling, conception, pregnancy and the delivery before the birth.

I disagree, the world runs on timely updates. Androids newest update has already been released, not a beta, not in testing, but fully released to the public. What if Apple only released iOS11 for the iPhone X and waited 8 months to release it for the iPhone 8? I understand it's not a valid comparison because Apple makes both phones, but just make believe for a second that the X and the 8 were manufactured by different companies.

Or what if Microsoft released windows 10, but Dell didn't allow you to update for 8 months because it had to update drivers? But at least with the PC market you are not tied down to updates from the manufacturers, you can just install the newest OS, or keep an old OS. This is how the smartphone market should be as well IMO.