I would adore a Pixel with Samsung's flagship hardware. Best hardware and software together. If only Samsung gave out their best OLED panels to other manufacturers....
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I would adore a Pixel with Samsung's flagship hardware. Best hardware and software together. If only Samsung gave out their best OLED panels to other manufacturers....
Apple has almost 0% collaboration, towards the end user experience.
Other phone manufacturers have to collab with Google and Carriers. It's like updating all the distros of Linux to the most recent kernel, but each distro still has to update their own added/changed coding. It's probably the exact equivalent, but I'm no expert.
Even in the PC market, Windows updates usually release before many manufacturers update their machine's drivers. And lower spec or uncommon spec machines often suffer in performance, which cause a bad consumer experience. To be honest, a lot of PC manufacturers don't even care, and some put out machines with garbage specs that they know will run extremely poor on the latest Windows version. It's a completely differ market vs the mobile market.
And?... What's the difference between say Motorola who may get an OS update out in 2 months versus Samsung in 8 months? Everyone is just trying to make excuses for Samsung and I honestly don't get it. Yes some of the blame goes to the carriers, but at the same time Samsung has a heck of a lot of clout and leverage in getting the carrier to update. On that same vein, Samsung can even just take away updates from the carriers JUST LIKE APPLE and not even have them in the equation. A smaller oem may not get away with it, but go into any carrier store and I'll bet at least half of their phones have the Samsung logo on them.
I would also not compare the PC market, when Microsoft releases a version of Windows EVERY single PC in the world (as long as it has the specs) can upgrade to it. Of course Microsoft makes the code available very early so oems can tune their drivers and specific software to the OS, but Google also makes Android available in a beta form to the public, and I will bet anything it's available MUCH earlier than that to it's oem partners.
Funny thing is I'm still on iOS 9x on my iPhone. In my case I won't upgrade so I can keep my Jailbreak. I feel like I have a real updated iPhone with a jailbreak on old iOS, than a iPhone on current stock iOS. If I update my iOS and lose my jailbreak, then I feel I only have same iOS everyone has... no matter what the version.
Major updates is not a big deal for some. I consider my wife and mom average iPhone users. They never update their phones... until I for some reason look at their phone... and tell them there is an update. They don't care... they feel the phone is still working, so why update. It's not a popular thing in this forum, but phones do work on older OS versions.
I'm not saying that waiting for a major update 8 months later is a good thing. Both my iPhone and Samsung still works and able to do my daily tasks on older versions. I'm fine being on older OS versions just as long as I get security updates. A bit tricky on the iPhone, but devs are good at making security updates available on cydia or by dropbox on twitter. I'm constantly customizing both phones, so it feels like I have a new updated phone every week. Happy with both phones... and both get me through my daily tasks.
Major updates is not a big deal for some. I consider my wife and mom average iPhone users. They never update their phones... until I for some reason look at their phone... and tell them there is an update. They don't care... they feel the phone is still working, so why update. It's not a popular thing in this forum, but phones do work on older OS versions.
I'm not saying that waiting for a major update 8 months later is a good thing. Both my iPhone and Samsung still works and able to do my daily tasks on older versions. I'm fine being on older OS versions just as long as I get security updates. A bit tricky on the iPhone, but devs are good at making security updates available on cydia or by dropbox on twitter. I'm constantly customizing both phones, so it feels like I have a new updated phone every week. Happy with both phones... and both get me through my daily tasks.
Actually we do. Apple has rated the max brightness of their OLED panel at 625nits (same as their LCD display) while the Note 8 OLED goes up till 1200(almost double). Everythingapplepro pointed this out as one of the reasons NOT to buy the X as its a major weakness. We also have confirmation from hands on reviewers that the phone was definitely not as bright as the Note 8 panel indoors and lacked the "pop" that the Note 8 panel has. If we assume Apple underestimated the nits rating, at best its around 800 which is much better than what Google got but still not as much as Samsung's flagship. For all we know however Google may have gotten the same panel with the Pixel 2. Don't forget that Apple also needs mass production in much higher volumes and Samsung may not be capable of supplying their top class OLEDs in such volumes
Apple should start their own OLED development as Samsung will never give them the best display. If the iPhone X had the same display as the Note 8 I wouldn't have certain reservations about getting it
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I thought I read somewhere that Apple was getting their OLEDs from a Samsung factory in Vietnam and that would make them possibly lower quality. The reason why is because Apple needs their OLEDs to have separate layers because of 3d touch. I can't find the article now, but it was an interesting read.
Actually you still don’t know the part numbers and whether Apple is artificially limiting the display for purposes you cannot know about or even if Apple ordered a special part number due to 3dt and had to settle because it’s suppliers couldn’t manufacture it.
And I’m sure Apple is taking your advice for the next generation of screens beyond oled; screens that are free from pink screen and burn in.
You are just coming up with more and more excuses. WHy does the Pixel also have a 500 nit screen? Are they limiting it on purpose too when its confimed to be an inferior panel. Why isn't the screen having the pop of the Note 8?
I can guarantee the next generation screens will come with different flaws.
You are not wrong. i agree. Samsung has to customize its own software, but I imagine they have the beta code before even the general public alpha. They could, and should update sooner. They have gotten better and better. News today is that they are about to roll out a general beta for oreo for S8 and S8+ phones.
My point is to counter the poster earlier, and other, who state the note 8 would never get a software update, or only get one 1.5 years from now.
It will get 2 android updates within 24 months of its release (based on recent history). It is guaranteed that by Google's deal with other OEMs, and Samsung has actually been decent at it over the last few years.
You do get the updates, and yes they are slower, but you still get it within a twice in two years...like an iPhone. The average joe, who never visits a tech website, is cool with that. It is us, who debate "who is better" between the galaxy note 8 and the iphone 8 plus, who argue one phone is superior based on its .0025 split second lead in opening 3 apps; we are the ones who care. The average person goes on with their lives, and only really care about their most recent food picture on Instagram.
As a positive side of the Samsung role out; the software released, along with the custom overlay, is usually bug free. This is not the case for the pixel, in which the first version of android is usually a little bit buggy (just like iOS).
Again I agree with you, and would love to have oreo on this note 8 sitting next to me, yesterday. But I also am not agonizing over it. The core features of Oreo that I look forward to, and below the surface code, anyway.
You are just coming up with nonsense, because you cannot know what Apple actually ordered and from whom. Your conclusion isn’t supported by “the facts”.
I am looking at the facts. Its almost half as bright as the Note 8 panel. Unless Displaymate gives it the award for the best display on the planet its not a Note 8 class OLED. I looked at the videos of the X and the display seems muted compared to the Note
This is what 625 nits looks like next to 1200
Yeah I agree, Samsung is good in supporting its hardware and we usually see 2 OS updates with it. I don't think we disagree, just looking at it differently. Don't get me wrong, I'm not agonizing over it either, I'm just being picky and always like to have the latest and greatest.
Your looking at facts but are spinning them into a conclusion that you can’t support with the facts. Just admit already you don’t know what negotiations Apple had and what agreements were reached and who the suppliers are and how many suppliers are supplying how many panels.
I will wait for the Displaymate Analysis but as of now it is inferior to the Note 8 panel in brightness and the colors don't pop like they do on the Note 8. These are the facts we know so far. We should get a detailed analysis by Displaymate soon comparing it to Note 8.
But that still isn’t relevant to the question of do you know what the negotiations were and what Apple ordered and what the suppliers could deliver.
At any rate I’m sure Apple has an escape plan.
I just said that based on the data we have so far it doesn't compete with the Note 8 OLED and since it isn't in Samsung's best interests to give their top OLED to Apple its not likely the best panel although a good one I am sure.
Its half as bright and does not have pop. So whatever the negotiations were its not the best panel so far
So you admit you don’t know what the negotiations are and what is being delivered by whom and in what quantities. That’s all I wanted to know. Displymate has nothing to do with knowing the part number that Apple ordered.
My original comment
So far not proven incorrect as not a single OEM has gotten their hands on that display
Okay we’re going around in circles now. My original comment stands that you are making a conclusion not supported by facts.
I am making a conclusion based on facts known so far. If the iPhone OLED had the same brightness and pop as the Note 8 OLED, the jury would still be out on that one. But in 2 display parameters its inferior so it doesn't compete with the best panel in these 2 parameters and hence is as of now inferior. It will need to compensate in some other aspect to get back in the running.
Nobody is making excuses for Samsung, but comparing updates to Apple is asinine.
Other manufacturers like Moto have a much lighter overlay compared to Samsung.
I disagree. Samsung doesn't have that level of leverage yet over carriers, they have some, but not like Apple.
Samsung does update their own system features and UI very often. So it's not like they are asleep behind the wheel.
Also, I don't think it'll be 8 months.
It's you that brought the PC market up, I was just responding. Windows is not layered by any other manufacturer UI. There is no Touchwiz or Sense version of Windows. Basically every Windows computer is running Vanilla. And even still, there's possible performance degradation and driver issues when upgraded.
So then just admit you can’t draw a conclusion without all of the facts.
And for reasons unknown to you this is what Apple ordered.As far as what phone you get, if you skip the iPhone x someone else will be in line for it. Guaranteed.
Based on what we know so far it is inferior. So for it to be the best panel it needs to beat the Note 8 in that aspect.It does not do that. So its not the best. Whats wrong with saying this?So then just admit you can’t draw a conclusion without all of the facts.
I don't care whether I end up with the Note 8 or iPhone X. Both are excellent phones.
The X uses a different screen than the iPhone 7 and 8 ips panel. The X will require more nits to be seen in the sun just because of how amoled works. My s7 edge is hard to see in the sun where my note 8 and iPhone 7 are easy to see. I do think the X will have issues in the sun..