Sure you are making excuses for Samsung. "Other manufacturers like Moto have a much lighter overlay compared to Samsung." That smacks of an excuse in my book, a poor one at that, no disrespect intended. So let's cut Samsung an extra 6 months of slack?
It's not an excuse. Touchwiz/Samsung Experience UI is basically a whole other OS on top of Android. Damn near every part of Android is manipulated, at least from a user experience level.
Now I'm speaking on the way things were and are at the moment. Which is why I have high hopes for Project Treble.
And also, I'm not saying Samsung and the Carriers are not guilty of dragging their asses. But you were arguing since something is out now, it should be out to all devices now(or in a very short period).
Also, Moto doesn't have the best track record of updates. They just recently over the years got better with their flagships. But they have broken plenty of promises.
I also highly doubt Samsung doesn't have that kind of leverage. The carriers sell a lot of their business because of Samsung phones, A LOT. I don't know the numbers, but I'm sure Samsung is right up there with Apple in terms of volume, but even if they sold half Apple's volume that's still a heck of a lot of clout. No that's definitely an excuse IMO.
Samsung is the most prefered Android phone. But it's not like they are filling a void. Consumers would still have a wide range of choice. If for some reason carriers decided to drop Samsung phones, the market would still move on. I will admit, that Samsung (like Apple) is good at getting consumers to upgrade. Whereas many consumers might not upgrade with other phones, which is why Samsung has some leverage. But again, they are not up there with Apple yet.
With Apple, consumers would be comfortable just financing or purchasing directly from them, if iPhones were no longer available through carriers. Samsung also has financing options, but not the same level of storefront and customer service, and that won't instill trust towards possible consumers. At least here in America, Samsung would lose extremly big without the carriers, while Apple would do just fine selling iPhones themselves.
As for the PC market, yes I brought it up as a great example. Windows isn't layered because Microsoft does not allow that. But now we are getting into more nuances as Windows is a for profit, private OS where Android is open source. I've many times said that Google shares in the blame by not using its clout with Google Play and Google apps to push the oems and carriers to faster updates. But I still think that is just more of an excuse, my guess is Samsung has PLENTY of time to get their overlay and UI running on OS code Google provides them.
And when someone calls Dell Customer service and complains about poor battery life and sluggish performance on their upgraded Windows 10 for their x year old laptop. Dell CS will walk them through a recovery from the factory partition and have them roll back Windows to the factory version it came with. The smartphone market is a differ beast. While Dell and Windows can point fingers at each other and get away with it. When it comes to smartphones, the consumer will always blame the manufacturer.
Also you have to factor, PCs are designed around open bootloaders and generic drivers. It doesn't make an install/upgrade of Windows optimized. Smartphones need to be optimized specifically.
Not 8 months? Well it was 8 months for MM on the Note 5, and we will never know for the Note 7.
Let's see, Nougat release 8/22/16
S7 Nougat update for Verizon 3/7/2017 = roughly 6 1/2 months (5/8/17 for unlocked version = 8 1/2 months)
I'll predict 7 months for the slowest carrier, usually Verizon. Although from past experience the slowest one may actually be the ONE THAT IS NOT CARRIER CONSTRICTED! But I can't predict the future, who knows maybe Samsung will be awesome this year and have the update in a few months. Let's revisit this discussion then!!
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I can't see my 7+ in the sun at all, even with brightness cranked up to max. It's just a black screen.
I doubt 8 months, but it's possible. Previous update timelines are inconsistent. But it's been getting better overall year my year.
