iPhone 8 or Note 8?

[Shanghaichica]

Decided to get the IP8, Note 8 is just too Tall combined with the brick like weight, would be ok for women with handbags, i didn't like the plus for same reasons and its smaller.

Wow I never saw that coming. Anyhow enjoy.

 

[Radon87000]

Never thought I'd see the day where Note 8 matches iPhone 8 in ram management

 

[Kiezpirat80]

Never thought I'd see the day where Note 8 beats iPhone 8 in ram management

Yeah awesome. Seems the 6GB Ram are the one thing which was missing on Samsung devices to run like a champ.

 

[jamesrick80]

Never thought I'd see the day where Note 8 matches iPhone 8 in ram management

The note 8 simply "beats" the iphone 8 plus in ram management. This doesn't bold well for the iPhone X especially since it may require more ram utilization based on face ID.

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Is there really a difference at this point? They are both over 400PPI.

You should say over 400ppi for the iphone X but the note 8 is over 500 ppi with higher resolution which is a difference.
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Still love to know how much of that performance gain is from the simplicity of iOS vs the much more complex and layered android. Have a hard time believing the 6 core A11 is that much more pure power compared to the 8 core snapdragon.

Like if you were to swap chips into the other phone and OS, would the results be the same or would the snapdragon come ahead now?

In reality, the A11 will use its two high efficiency cores for any difficult tasks and the low efficiency cores for common tasks. It will be like big.little and users will never see the full power of all six cores but GeekBench will never tell you that.

 

[bt311]

I'd love to hear a legitimate comparison between this two phones, rather than a insult marred exchange.

Hardware, OS, AI, Camera, Battery life, features, etc.

I currently have the note 8 and for the life of me, I cannot make a decision between the note 8 + gear S3 (curently have), and the iPhone 8 plus and Apple watch series 3.

I'm not interested in either ecosystem (which I like). I have a 2nd gen iPad pro, windows desktop and laptop, Google home, rokus, fire tvs, chromcast, xbox, PlayStation, etc. I use what is the best in their respective category, and rarely allow an ecosystem to dictate my decisions.

Honestly....I see the advantage and drawbacks of both setups (note 8 vs iPhone 8 plus). I see the Note 8 as having the superior screen, design, an extra legitimately useful features such as the S Pen. I see the Note 8 as having the superior AI integration, and a versatile customizable operating system. I see the iPhone 8 plus is having a equal or slightly Superior camera to the point of not mattering, better battery life, outstanding performance (though the difference may not be noticeable.), and a still enjoyable design(outsated, but still the best fingerprint sensor in it's class).

The iPhone X...to me is overpriced and a 1st gen product. The note 8 isn't much cheaper....but I got it for $500 with their promotion. The note 8 is worth more than I paid.

As a side note... I find the gear s3 and my past Apple Watch series 2 to be largely equal in their functionality. The Apple watch had the thinner more comfortable design, in the gear S3 looks better. Gear S3 has the better battery life. I would call it a draw.

Also....one more thing.... Maybe it is the high refresh rate of the iPad Pro 2nd gen, but what is with the lack and stuttering of iOS 11 when switching apps?

Sorry...I I keep adding to this post, but Samsung pay is easy to forget but a real benefit. I use it all the time. I have nearly 8,000 points, which is enough for a $50 GameSpy gift card, etc.

Still...I'm stuck in indecision. I also haven't slept in almost 48 hours (my job), which can't help.

If you've got the Note 8 for $500 then I do not understand what you are agonizing over.
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In reality, the A11 will use its two high efficiency cores for any difficult tasks and the low efficiency cores for common tasks. It will be like big.little and users will never see the full power of all six cores but GeekBench will never tell you that.

It's two High Performance cores and four High Efficiency cores.

 

[jamesrick80]

It's two High Performance cores and four High Efficiency cores.

Its two high performance cores and 4 low performance efficiency cores. So back to you...

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/256090-apples-new-a11-bionic-packs-one-hell-wallop

Efficiency clearly means lower performance with better power efficiency.

 

[The Game 161]

Never thought I'd see the day where Note 8 matches iPhone 8 in ram management

Have to see more speeds but the 6GB makes a big difference and it’s why the S9 will need the same to get the same performance I reckon

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Have to see more speeds but the 6GB makes a big difference and it’s why the S9 will need the same to get the same performance I reckon

I find this highly interesting. Samsung spent the last several years leaping ahead in the industry in display tech and Industrial design. The industry is closing the Gap there, but no one can come close to the quality of their displays. They placed themselves in a good position, because they produce the second most popular line of phones in the world, and they produce the best display technology, resulting in companies like apple Outsourcing to them. Financially, they are in a great position.

Apple, on the other hand, has invested in actual processor Tech. They lead the industry there.

Samsung, or Google, will eventually catch up with Apple. LG, theoretically, may eventually catch up with Samsung. But now we are seeing the results of company philosophy, potentially.

This is the first year that I can remember in which the Galaxy Note beats the iPhone in multitasking. One can argue that multitasking is more important than a split-second, or even 5 second difference in opening a game; when it comes to real world usage. Their is no question multitasking is more important from a business or productivity perspective Samsung is giving everything they have and putting it in the Note 8. Apple is taking the best mobile chip ever produced, and hampering it with only 3 gigabytes of RAM. The only reason you do that, is for your bottom line, because they have the chips available, since they put 4gb in the iPad Pro. I hope, for everyone who buys an iPhone 8 plus or X, that the ram doesn't become a bottleneck in the future. But we've seen this happen multiple times now. The most recent example is the iPad Pro 9.7. it's two gigabytes of RAM hampers it on iOS 11 multitasking abilities. The iPhone 6 plus before it was very poor multitasking.

If Apple had put four gigabytes of RAM in the new iPhones, at least, the multitasking story would probably be different.

Nonetheless, it seems like Samsung realizes that the industry is catching up in Hardware enough, that they need to optimize their software. I wouldn't have imagined it yesterday, but if the Google pixel 2 only has 4 gigabytes of RAM, I imagine the Galaxy note8 will be as good or better in multi-tasking (once both are on oreo. I don't expect their to be a major gap, like what we see with the be pixel and Galaxy s8.

Also, if Google starts developing it's own silicon....that will be really interesting to watch.

As a side note, I typed this entire reply with my voice while walking into work.

 

[Radon87000]

Have to see more speeds but the 6GB makes a big difference and it’s why the S9 will need the same to get the same performance I reckon

The Note performed as expected because in most of the performance test it was doing extremely well. What surprised me was the regression of the iPhone. The iPhone 7 never flushed a single app from memory when it was launched on iOS 10. But the iPhone 8 is behaving like Samsung S8.It needed to reload almost every game in the first speed test
I think the 3GB of RAM is not enough for iOS 11 and is limiting these phones. It needs 4Gb. Or maybe that’s just how unoptimised iOS 11 is.

 

[woozor1]

The note 8 has really got my interest i preordered the note 7 last year but never got it due to the flames. Ended up sticking with iphone and the 7 plus whihc is a great phone. being someone that likes the latest and greatest i also am open to a change.

How easy is it to transfer files and videos from the note 8 to say ipad pro which i use daily?

 

[Radon87000]

I find this highly interesting. Samsung spent the last several years leaping ahead in the industry in display tech and Industrial design. The industry is closing the Gap there, but no one can come close to the quality of their displays. They placed themselves in a good position, because they produce the second most popular line of phones in the world, and they produce the best display technology, resulting in companies like apple Outsourcing to them. Financially, they are in a great position.

Apple, on the other hand, has invested in actual processor Tech. They lead the industry there.

Samsung, or Google, will eventually catch up with Apple. LG, theoretically, may eventually catch up with Samsung. But now we are seeing the results of company philosophy, potentially.

This is the first year that I can remember in which the Galaxy Note beats the iPhone in multitasking. One can argue that multitasking is more important than a split-second, or even 5 second difference in opening a game; when it comes to real world usage. Their is no question multitasking is more important from a business or productivity perspective Samsung is giving everything they have and putting it in the Note 8. Apple is taking the best mobile chip ever produced, and hampering it with only 3 gigabytes of RAM. The only reason you do that, is for your bottom line, because they have the chips available, since they put 4gb in the iPad Pro. I hope, for everyone who buys an iPhone 8 plus or X, that the ram doesn't become a bottleneck in the future. But we've seen this happen multiple times now. The most recent example is the iPad Pro 9.7. it's two gigabytes of RAM hampers it on iOS 11 multitasking abilities. The iPhone 6 plus before it was very poor multitasking.

If Apple had put four gigabytes of RAM in the new iPhones, at least, the multitasking story would probably be different.

Nonetheless, it seems like Samsung realizes that the industry is catching up in Hardware enough, that they need to optimize their software. I wouldn't have imagined it yesterday, but if the Google pixel 2 only has 4 gigabytes of RAM, I imagine the Galaxy note8 will be as good or better in multi-tasking (once both are on oreo. I don't expect their to be a major gap, like what we see with the be pixel and Galaxy s8.

Also, if Google starts developing it's own silicon....that will be really interesting to watch.

As a side note, I typed this entire reply with my voice while walking into work.

Samsung have definitely come a long way. I may be getting the X but i cannot deny being enticed by the Note 8. The phone is a real beauty imo and it’s not just the screen. They are matching Apple toe to toe in design and even surpassed hem in certain aspects.

 

[I7guy]

The Note performed as expected because in most of the performance test it was doing extremely well. What surprised me was the regression of the iPhone. The iPhone 7 never flushed a single app from memory when it was launched on iOS 10. But the iPhone 8 is behaving like Samsung S8.It needed to reload almost every game in the first speed test
I think the 3GB of RAM is not enough for iOS 11 and is limiting these phones. It needs 4Gb. Or maybe that’s just how unoptimised iOS 11 is.

But to note according to geekbench actually doing useful work iPhone 8 leaves note 8 in the dust.

 

[Zaft]

The note 8 simply "beats" the iphone 8 plus in ram management. This doesn't bold well for the iPhone X especially since it may require more ram utilization based on face ID.

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You should say over 400ppi for the iphone X but the note 8 is over 500 ppi with higher resolution which is a difference.
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In reality, the A11 will use its two high efficiency cores for any difficult tasks and the low efficiency cores for common tasks. It will be like big.little and users will never see the full power of all six cores but GeekBench will never tell you that.

I’m pretty sure 500 PPI is over 400.. why would I say it differently.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

The Note performed as expected because in most of the performance test it was doing extremely well. What surprised me was the regression of the iPhone. The iPhone 7 never flushed a single app from memory when it was launched on iOS 10. But the iPhone 8 is behaving like Samsung S8.It needed to reload almost every game in the first speed test
I think the 3GB of RAM is not enough for iOS 11 and is limiting these phones. It needs 4Gb. Or maybe that’s just how unoptimised iOS 11 is.

Yeah, hard to tell. Likely both? I can't see how 3gb of ram can be enough in today's OSes.

iOS 11 is disappointing so far, on my second gen iPad pro 12.9. The faster refresh rate of the display makes the stuttering of the app animations visible every.dang.time.

 

[jamezr]

Yeah, hard to tell. Likely both? I can't see how 3gb of ram can be enough in today's OSes.

iOS 11 is disappointing so far, on my second gen iPad pro 12.9. The faster refresh rate of the display makes the stuttering of the app animations visible every.dang.time.

IOS 11 has just about killed my iPad Air......it stutters now and lags a great deal. I wish I could roll it back!

 

[Radon87000]

But to note according to geekbench actually doing useful work iPhone 8 leaves note 8 in the dust.

I don’t look at Geekbench but at real world performance. The 8 Plus has double performance then my 7 Plus according to Geekbench but speed tests are showing both neck and neck with both phones regressing in Mukti tasking area.
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Yeah, hard to tell. Likely both? I can't see how 3gb of ram can be enough in today's OSes.

iOS 11 is disappointing so far, on my second gen iPad pro 12.9. The faster refresh rate of the display makes the stuttering of the app animations visible every.dang.time.

Apple has done this with the 6 which had horrible longevity so it may be a rerun of that

Do not use iOS 11 on that as I rolled back mine the moment I upgraded. The 120HZ refresh rate will make every small stutter twice as noticeable compared to 60hz. The frames per second should never drop below 120 or 60 depending on what the screen is running otherwise it will make for a poor experience which iOS 11 is right now. I am keeping mine on iOS 10 till 11.3.3 launches.

 

[I7guy]

I don’t look at Geekbench but at real world performance. The 8 Plus has double performance then my 7 Plus according to Geekbench but speed tests are showing both neck and neck with both phones regressing in Mukti tasking area.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Geek bench is more real world performance than serial app opening closing. It’s all great fun for discussion, debating and arguing over but retrieving a few hundred emails, editing a 4K movie in iMovie, etc is my idea of what should be benchmarked. These are fun and games not indicative of anybody’s usage except you tubers.

 

[thunng8]

IOS 11 has just about killed my iPad Air......it stutters now and lags a great deal. I wish I could roll it back!

You can ..Apple is still signing 10.3.3. For the Air you probably should stick with ios10 as currently ios 11 uses quite a bit more memory which the Air lacks.

 

[Radon87000]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Geek bench is more real world performance than serial app opening closing. It’s all great fun for discussion, debating and arguing over but retrieving a few hundred emails, editing a 4K movie in iMovie, etc is my idea of what should be benchmarked. These are fun and games not indicative of anybody’s usage except you tubers.

I don’t do serious work on a phone. I have my PC for that so it doesn’t apply to me. I use my phone for gaming, Facebook,Twitter and emails which is what most people use their phones for and it’s not an improvement in that area.The 7 was beating the 6s convincingly but the 8 doesn’t. I wager we are now reaching a ceiling with CPU performance. Like the 7700K in desktops, any improvements from hereon in are not going to be noticeable.
These app tests are realistic in that they show me whether I will find any improvement in regular use of my device launching apps.

 

[thunng8]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Geek bench is more real world performance than serial app opening closing. It’s all great fun for discussion, debating and arguing over but retrieving a few hundred emails, editing a 4K movie in iMovie, etc is my idea of what should be benchmarked. These are fun and games not indicative of anybody’s usage except you tubers.

You never see PC being benchmarked like this - its just a phone thing. For me I'd love to see RAW photo benchmarks (eg. Lightroom or equivalent) published. Tasks that really matter whether you have a fast processor or not.

For video editing I can see a few publication doing some performance tests although I'd like to see it more standardised. For example tomsguide said the a11 is more than 4x faster than the note8 - but I couldn't tell what app they used. I have used Premiere clip to edit videos so that 4X shouldn't be much off the mark (eg. the a9 still demolished the SD835 in this heavy CPU/SOC task)

 

[Zipster3]

So finally it’s taken 6gb ram for Samsung to match the competition, all those that have bought Samsung phones over the last 5 years must feel ripped.

Tempted myself after seeing those results

 

[Klyster]

But to not according to geekbench actually doing useful work iPhone 8 leaves note 8 in the dust.

Not to bite, but video encoding?

If you want to switch between apps while you're doing useful work, wouldn't it be useful for those apps not to have to reload due to memory constraints? Reloading apps would negate the speed advantage imo.

Realistically, I don't think either phone will have an issue getting useful work done.

 

[Radon87000]

So finally it’s taken 6gb ram for Samsung to match the competition, all those that have bought Samsung phones over the last 5 years must feel ripped.

Tempted myself after seeing those results

Just like how it's taken 5 years for Apple to finally match Samsung in displays(maybe)

 

[I7guy]

I don’t do serious work on a phone. I have my PC for that so it doesn’t apply to me. I use my phone for gaming, Facebook,Twitter and emails which is what most people use their phones for and it’s not an improvement in that area.The 7 was beating the 6s convincingly but the 8 doesn’t. I wager we are now reaching a ceiling with CPU performance. Like the 7700K in desktops, any improvements from hereon in are not going to be noticeable.
These app tests are realistic in that they show me whether I will find any improvement in regular use of my device launching apps.

Ah well I do serious work on my phone, because I’m out of the office as needed. The 8 is a monster, will it make a difference in the composition of a 10,000 word email. No, but a keyboard would.

The ability to edit a 4K movie in iMovie blazing fast is also welcome as I share quite a lot of short vids.

 

[Radon87000]

Ah well I do serious work on my phone, because I’m out of the office as needed. The 8 is a monster, will it make a difference in the composition of a 10,000 word email. No, but a keyboard would.

The ability to edit a 4K movie in iMovie blazing fast is also welcome as I share quite a lot of short vids.

I look at benchmarks contextually looking at my use case. If I look at Geekbench I am actually downgrading if I buy a Note 8 coming from a 7 Plus. But I have my Dell ultra book and an iPad Pro ,with me whenever I move out and I do all my heavy work on that as I also get a bigger screen to work on. As long as both load apps fast and are competitive even in movie eoncod9ng and retrieving 10000 emails I am good. I don't mind waiting the extra 20mseconds if it means saving 1000 bucks.