Talk about beating a dead horse.
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So is $1500 for a Note 8.
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Talk about beating a dead horse.
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So is $1500 for a Note 8.
It's not a dead horse when headphone jacks being included with new phones are a point of discussion and considered important for consumers.
Bluetooth cannot fully replace direct audio at this time.
I personally don’t care as I’m able to use both my EarPods and b/t headsets. B/t headsets are more convenient, but for those who like “the best” audio, headphones it is.
Serious? Ignore thats you answer he is intitled to an opinion, you started the thread note 8 v iPhone 8 now you want everyone who disagree with you to be ignored, on a 99% Apple forum what did you think would happen, everyone agree with you and sell their iPhones and buy a Note 8.
What you forget is most people have iPhones like them as it makes their other Apple products all works so good together.
I mean a note 8 would be useless without Google.
Addressing the topic is always better than discussing the posters. Is there anything else to say on this matter? This is my opinion and I'm discussing the topic at hand not flaming other posters.
Some of his statements just screamed fanboy. No matter what Apple does, he's going to find justification for it. The audio jack is the main thing that kills me. How people can be supportive of its removal is baffling. It would be one thing if the argument could be made that removal is due to the desire for bigger battery implementation but look at the size of the IPhone's battery in comparison to the equivalent S8. That's with having bigger bezels. But hey, the phone is thinner though! So thin the cameras protrude out the back so that you're at risk of damaging your lens if you don't have a case. Smart...
Exactly.....this for an unreleased...untested.... non reviewed phone with no customer feedback. Just because Apple chose not to include it in the X. Does not mean others will be lining up to follow.
I predict Apple will be the only major OEM to do this. Samsung and LG and possible Google will be putting the the FPS under the display soon. When that happens Apple will follow their lead.
Mark it down....you read it here first!
Its funny how so many Apple apologists made fun of Samsung with their facial recognition and Iris scanning features.
But now that Apple has adopted that feature they don't seem to mind so much.....
Apologies for the length of this post—geez I rambled.
TL;DR - I’m wagering TouchID is dead and Apple’s motivation is making more money.
I’ll take that bet.
Loser buys the beer if the other is ever in their part of the world. IF...and that’s a big IF...If FaceID works as well as Apple claims it will, we won’t see another new phone from Apple with TouchID again. Successful FaceID means Apple doesn’t have to bother trying to get an under-display fingerprint sensor to work. That’s a whole lot of research they don’t have to invest in any longer and a whole bunch of space they don’t have to set aside. They’ve already professed how much more secure it is (less failure rates and chance of another individual accidentally defeating it). Putting TouchID back in their phones is a big backtrack—something Apple just doesn’t do, right or wrong.
I also think FaceID is a better solution across their entire product line. FaceID on the iPad and Macs, which have far more room along their displays that don’t require any sort of notch, make much more sense than trying to use TouchID. Trying to implement TouchID on an iMac or MacPro is much more problematic than just building FaceID right into the iMac display or their upcoming standalone display. You then have a consistent experience across all their products.
And if Apple does pull off the implementation of FaceID, most of the industry will be following suit. It may certainly not be practical from a cost standpoint to have it in lower end/midrange phones but the top end flagships will almost certainly adopt their own form of it. Hell, Samsung already has—they’ll just fine tune it to improve the experience and make is more seamless and secure. You don’t think they’d love to ditch what’s admittedly the biggest flaw of their 2017 flagships? No need to implement an underscreen solution (which appears to be pretty damn hard to do by everyone)—lots of money and research time to allocate somewhere else.
I think Apple sees the ultimate implementation as a seamless solution that appears almost non-existent. You would just pick up your phone and if it’s you, it’ll unlock in the background on the biometric security solution that’s been implemented. No need to put your finger in a specific spot, or hold it in an exact location in front of your face, etc—just pick it up, the phone autheticates in the background and you go about your business. This feels like Apple’s first step in that direction and if it works, it’ll beat ever other implementation and every other OEM will be trying to replicate it.
Like I mentioned at the start...lots of IFs but I think that’s the direction Apple is trying to go. Putting a FP sensor back in doesn’t move things forward and we all know Apple doesn’t look back.
[doublepost=1506648301][/doublepost]After reading through the usual bicker...I’m mean, ‘discussions’
, my thoughs on a few things I read.Apple’s motivation for removal of the headphone jack is almost certainly all financial. They own a company known for producing speakers and headphones, most of which are wireless. Beats/Apple sell 5 different wireless headphones presently. What better way to ‘encourage’ sales of those products than to put them as front and center solutions for their flagship product. What’s been their hottest product for the past year? AirPods. And Apple claiming anything else is purely their ‘marketing speak.’ But you can be damn sure Samsung, Google, Microsoft or any other company would do the same thing IF they could pull it off. None of them have our best interests at heart and thinking they do is just being naive. Apple just has the nerve to do it becuase a good segment of their consumers will listen to them. Proof that they have a pretty good idea on their customer’s sentiments? Look how many iPhone 7/7 Plus they sold. Not having a headphone jack certainly bothers some people...but not most. They just use the earbuds in the box most of the time and after that initial adjustment, couldn’t give a crap any longer. They could also give a **** about audio quality considering the overwelming majority of people are streaming their music from a service like Spotify or Apple Music. The bitrates of those streams aren’t going to sound miraculously better over high end wired headphones.
Pretty much same goes for their storage options across their newest phones. They know that anybody who previously had 128GB of storage isn’t likely to move back down to a lesser amount so now they have to move up and spend $50-100 than they would have. Again, they’re trying to maximize profit and if they didn’t, they’re stockholders would go ******* on them. And again, just about any other company you can think of would do exactly the same thing if in Apple’s position.
Now, in no way should this been seen as me defending Apple—not doing anything of the sort. I’m just stating what to me seems painfully obvious. I personally couldn’t care less about the headphone jack as I haven’t used one on a device of mine in years as I hate being tethered by wires but that’s just me. The storage options—yup, that sucks as I presently have 128GB and can’t see myself coming close to needing 256GB anytime soon. But you know what I can do about it if I’m not happy with Apple’s products? Take my money elsewhere and so could any other Apple customer. Ecosystem lock in is a cop out excuse that in reality doesn’t apply to most people. Most iPhone owners don’t also have Macs and even fewer have an iPad, Mac, and iPhone. Less still have Apple Watches. The Apple TV is in what, last place amongst streaming boxes? Far more people stream their music from a source other than Apple. Most apps people use nowadays are free so having to ‘repurchase’ all their apps will likely cost very little. People keep buying iPhones because they like how they work and how they work with their friends and family, that’s it. It’s only us tech geeks/nerds who obsess over this stuff like this and are foolish enough to think our notions in these matters actually pertain to normal consumers.
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The headphone jack is not a deal-breaker, for me. I said in another post I wish it was still there, but it is not a major inconvenience as the dongle works fine, but mostly I use b/t headphones. As far as cases and the camera "bump", it's a personal choice. I almost never drop iphones, but since I almost never drop them, on goes a case. YMMV.
It's not about dropping the phone. It's about not having the possibility of another issue with your phone all in the pursuit of thinness which does little to improve a consumer's enjoyment of a phone apart from arbitrary titles of having a thinner phone. I'm sure most would take a bigger battery and a flat camera over a thinner phone. One of the main benefits I've heard people say on this site about TouchID is that it's on the front so you can unlock your phone while it rests on the table. Guess where your camera is sold you do that.
There are also those who claim to like the thinness just like those who claim to like a thicker, heavier phone with a bigger battery. My only comment is there are quite a few choices out there for a consumer. No one manufacturer will please everybody.
Terrific post.Apologies for the length of this post—geez I rambled.
TL;DR - I’m wagering TouchID is dead and Apple’s motivation is making more money.
I’ll take that bet.
IF...and that’s a big IF...If FaceID works as well as Apple claims it will, we won’t see another new phone from Apple with TouchID again. Successful FaceID means Apple doesn’t have to bother trying to get an under-display fingerprint sensor to work. That’s a whole lot of research they don’t have to invest in any longer and a whole bunch of space they don’t have to set aside. They’ve already professed how much more secure it is (less failure rates and chance of another individual accidentally defeating it). Putting TouchID back in their phones is a big backtrack—something Apple just doesn’t do, right or wrong.
I also think FaceID is a better solution across their entire product line. FaceID on the iPad and Macs, which have far more room along their displays that don’t require any sort of notch, make much more sense than trying to use TouchID. Trying to implement TouchID on an iMac or MacPro is much more problematic than just building FaceID right into the iMac display or their upcoming standalone display. You then have a consistent experience across all their products.
And if Apple does pull off the implementation of FaceID, most of the industry will be following suit. It may certainly not be practical from a cost standpoint to have it in lower end/midrange phones but the top end flagships will almost certainly adopt their own form of it. Hell, Samsung already has—they’ll just fine tune it to improve the experience and make is more seamless and secure. You don’t think they’d love to ditch what’s admittedly the biggest flaw of their 2017 flagships? No need to implement an underscreen solution (which appears to be pretty damn hard to do by everyone)—lots of money and research time to allocate somewhere else.
I think Apple sees the ultimate implementation as a seamless solution that appears almost non-existent. You would just pick up your phone and if it’s you, it’ll unlock in the background on the biometric security solution that’s been implemented. No need to put your finger in a specific spot, or hold it in an exact location in front of your face, etc—just pick it up, the phone autheticates in the background and you go about your business. This feels like Apple’s first step in that direction and if it works, it’ll beat ever other implementation and every other OEM will be trying to replicate it.
Like I mentioned at the start...lots of IFs but I think that’s the direction Apple is trying to go. Putting a FP sensor back in doesn’t move things forward and we all know Apple doesn’t look back.
[doublepost=1506648301][/doublepost]After reading through the usual bicker...I’m mean, ‘discussions’
Apple’s motivation for removal of the headphone jack is almost certainly all financial. They own a company known for producing speakers and headphones, most of which are wireless. Beats/Apple sell 5 different wireless headphones presently. What better way to ‘encourage’ sales of those products than to put them as front and center solutions for their flagship product. What’s been their hottest product for the past year? AirPods. And Apple claiming anything else is purely their ‘marketing speak.’ But you can be damn sure Samsung, Google, Microsoft or any other company would do the same thing IF they could pull it off. None of them have our best interests at heart and thinking they do is just being naive. Apple just has the nerve to do it becuase a good segment of their consumers will listen to them. Proof that they have a pretty good idea on their customer’s sentiments? Look how many iPhone 7/7 Plus they sold. Not having a headphone jack certainly bothers some people...but not most. They just use the earbuds in the box most of the time and after that initial adjustment, couldn’t give a crap any longer. They could also give a **** about audio quality considering the overwelming majority of people are streaming their music from a service like Spotify or Apple Music. The bitrates of those streams aren’t going to sound miraculously better over high end wired headphones.
Pretty much same goes for their storage options across their newest phones. They know that anybody who previously had 128GB of storage isn’t likely to move back down to a lesser amount so now they have to move up and spend $50-100 than they would have. Again, they’re trying to maximize profit and if they didn’t, they’re stockholders would go ******* on them. And again, just about any other company you can think of would do exactly the same thing if in Apple’s position.
Now, in no way should this been seen as me defending Apple—not doing anything of the sort. I’m just stating what to me seems painfully obvious. I personally couldn’t care less about the headphone jack as I haven’t used one on a device of mine in years as I hate being tethered by wires but that’s just me. The storage options—yup, that sucks as I presently have 128GB and can’t see myself coming close to needing 256GB anytime soon. But you know what I can do about it if I’m not happy with Apple’s products? Take my money elsewhere and so could any other Apple customer. Ecosystem lock in is a cop out excuse that in reality doesn’t apply to most people. Most iPhone owners don’t also have Macs and even fewer have an iPad, Mac, and iPhone. Less still have Apple Watches. The Apple TV is in what, last place amongst streaming boxes? Far more people stream their music from a source other than Apple. Most apps people use nowadays are free so having to ‘repurchase’ all their apps will likely cost very little. People keep buying iPhones because they like how they work and how they work with their friends and family, that’s it. It’s only us tech geeks/nerds who obsess over this stuff like this and are foolish enough to think our notions in these matters actually pertain to normal consumers.
Sorry, there simply is no iPhone that should cost more than the S8 and S8+. Don't even bother comparing any iPhone to the Note line. The iPhone X isn't even in the same league. I don't buy into letting companies sell me an "experience" as their way of jacking up their price. Complete joke.
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How does the note 8 cost £1,500?
In the UK it costs £870. I bought a 200GB micro SD card for £70. So in total I spent £940 and I’ve got 264 GB of space. Which is still £60 leas than the base model of the iPhone X and £9 cheaper than the 256 GB 8 plus which is inferior in design and features.
Dollars
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They have tanked where i live you can get one for $500 + less than release price, so most iPhones will be more, heck a 128gb SE is same price now, same is happening for the note 8, already $300 off.
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I didn't know Apple were a travel company
I only paid 479.99 plus tax with the Note 7 Owners deal plus a pseudo-student discount that worked.........
You might want to re think that.
https://shop.samsung.com/au/mobile/galaxy-note8/
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https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-x
Again, iPhone has no business being at that price. Lol. The Note is in a league of its own. The only thing the iPhone X should be compared to is the 5 month old S8 (not the S8+).
You mean in your opinion. In my opinion a Samsung N8/S8 is worth half the cost of a iPhone, the S8 is already and the N8 is on the way.
Even Apple doesn’t have an answer as apart from the iPhone all their recent devices have the jack. The only reason it was removed was to annoy customers into buying the Aiprods.
How is it enough? You are paying a 1000 dollars for a phone with 4K 60 recording which in a couple of videos over a few months and taking photos will end up consuming 20-30 gigs easily. That leaves you with just 30GB space when games like real racing 3 occupy 3-4GB so it’s only a couple of em and your phone is done.
128GB would have been the nice sweet spot
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It’s not. Where did you come up with this number? It’s $300 cheaper than the iPhone as it has a MicroSD slot.
Even without discount it doesn’t cost $1,500
And according to Apple $1,500 is equal to £1,500