iPhone 8 or Note 8?

[Zaft]

How are you finding the phone?

Cant play with it too much as I'm at work.

But first impressions are good. I can use this phone comfortably even though it has such a huge screen, especially compared to my 7 Plus.
I dont have an issue with the FP scanner placement, after several unlocks muscle memory took over and I know where to put my finger.

There are so many features to look at that I' m overwhelmed at the moment lol. I need a couple days.

 

[Radon87000]

Compare Scott Forstall's recent Computer Museum interview with any Tim Cook interview. You can tell Scott has a passion for design, art, customers, and technology. That translates into the product. Further, like Steve, Scott can perfectly explain why something is the way it is. Tim Cook is completely incapable because he has no notion of the why.

Many ragged on skeuomorphism, but now that you hear Scott explain it, we know why it was the right choice. You think Tim Cook could possibly come close to explaining the design decisions behind Jony Ives' iOS7. LOL, yeah right.

He also made the entire iPhone lineup so unenticing in the end.The pricing just killed the entire enjoyment for me. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus are such boring upgrades, you can tell they didn't even try. The iPhone X costs too much money for a 64GB phone. With the Google Pixel event and even with Samsung's S8, you can tell they at least gave a damn about their lower priced products
[doublepost=1507142560][/doublepost]Step aside, Note8 and iPhone 8 Plus - Pixel 2 scores 98 on DxOMark

https://www.gsmarena.com/pixel_2_scores_98_on_dxomark-news-27561.php

 

[Tsepz]

He also made the entire iPhone lineup so unenticing in the end.The pricing just killed the entire enjoyment for me. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus are such boring upgrades, you can tell they didn't even try. The iPhone X costs too much money for a 64GB phone. With the Google Pixel event and even with Samsung's S8, you can tell they at least gave a damn about their lower priced products
[doublepost=1507142560][/doublepost]Step aside, Note8 and iPhone 8 Plus - Pixel 2 scores 98 on DxOMark

https://www.gsmarena.com/pixel_2_scores_98_on_dxomark-news-27561.php

Them Pixels just demolished everything!

Incredible stuff by the Big G!

 

[widgeteer]

FaceID looks much slower than Iris Scanning. The moment I look at my Note 8 it Unlocks.

Let's hope they fix it before Nov 3.

I didn't get that from the videos at all. It seemd the moment the phone screen lit up it was unlocked. And it's supposed to work at angles, whereas Iris Scanning does not. I guess we'll find out late October.

In any event, now that I have a Pixel XL on the way my interest in the X is dropping rabidly. Of course, I also said likewise about the Pixel XL after buying the Note 8.

 

[The Game 161]

FaceID looks much slower than Iris Scanning. The moment I look at my Note 8 it Unlocks.

Let's hope they fix it before Nov 3.

It’s still a demo unit. Not the retail unit so i wouldn’t put too much on that until the retail unit is out and reviewed. It will be quicker than iris scanning due to being able to use it in different positions most likely.

 

[convergent]

Them Pixels just demolished everything!

Incredible stuff by the Big G!

How exactly did they demolish anything? I see two areas they might have a slight advantage... a few more pros in the camera specs, and tighter integration with Google assistant. Beyond that this was kind of a "meh" announcement. The rest of the hardware doesn't look all that exciting. Bottom line is that if they don't make some dramatic in roads with carriers, it will still be a niche product with minimal sales. They even joked about how low their sales were with the last Pixel during the announcement. I'm not saying its a bad product... competition is good. But I don't see anything getting demolished here and at the end of the day its still primarily an Apple vs. Samsung dominated market.

 

[Tsepz]

How exactly did they demolish anything? I see two areas they might have a slight advantage... a few more pros in the camera specs, and tighter integration with Google assistant. Beyond that this was kind of a "meh" announcement. The rest of the hardware doesn't look all that exciting. Bottom line is that if they don't make some dramatic in roads with carriers, it will still be a niche product with minimal sales. They even joked about how low their sales were with the last Pixel during the announcement. I'm not saying its a bad product... competition is good. But I don't see anything getting demolished here and at the end of the day its still primarily an Apple vs. Samsung dominated market.

I'm talking strictly Camera, mate, relax.

I really couldn't careless about sales, and the way Google is going about the availability, it seems like this doesn't bother them either, even joking about the sales numbers.

If they wanted sales numbers, they know where to go, there is an OEM in South Korea that continuously sells in large volumes.

I'm a Note user, neither iPhone or Pixel or Vseries or Mate seires or Galaxy S, or much else appeals to me these days, my Note8 will be serving me until the Note9 arrives, Note9 will serve me until Note10/X? and so on and so forth, but I am impressed at the Pixel 2 camera performance.

 

[convergent]

I'm talking strictly Camera, mate, relax.

I really couldn't careless about sales, and the way Google is going about the availability, it seems like this doesn't bother them either, even joking about the sales numbers.

If they wanted sales numbers, they know where to go, there is an OEM in South Korea that continuously sells in large volumes.

I'm a Note user, neither iPhone or Pixel or Vseries or Mate seires or Galaxy S, or much else appeals to me these days, my Note8 will be serving me until the Note9 arrives, Note9 will serve me until Note10/X? and so on and so forth, but I am impressed at the Pixel 2 camera performance.

Ah, gotcha. I guess I overreacted to the "demolish" descriptor. We will have to wait and see how it performs in the field, but the old Pixel seemed to get rave reviews so the Pixel 2 probably will to. To me, its marginal difference not night and day, but I could be proven wrong. I've not had long enough with a non-iPhone device to really get a feel for how the Note 8 compares. Since everything I see is being filtered by that great OLED display, its hard to get an apples to apples comparison. My daughter just got her iPhone 8 last night so when she starts sending me pictures I can compare more. I don't think I've ever known anyone personally that had a Pixel so will have to just read about it.

 

[Radon87000]

Is anyone feeling slightly concerned about the brightness of the X OLED panel? Sure its possible its brighter than the iPhone 8 but Apple wouldnt rate them at the same brightness spec if that was the case. One of the advantages of the Note 8 OLED is that its clearly visible in direct sunlight. Is the X OLED a lot inferior because even the S8 has max brightness of a 1000 nits.

Also there is the issue that Apple had no one to turn to for OLED panels and so Samsung had them at their "mercy" so to speak.

 

[I7guy]

Is anyone feeling slightly concerned about the brightness of the X OLED panel? Sure its possible its brighter than the iPhone 8 but Apple wouldnt rate them at the same brightness spec if that was the case. One of the advantages of the Note 8 OLED is that its clearly visible in direct sunlight. Is the X OLED a lot inferior because even the S8 has max brightness of a 1000 nits.

Also there is the issue that Apple had no one to turn to for OLED panels and so Samsung had them at their "mercy" so to speak.

No, should I get one I’m not concerned.

Also if Samsung wants an extra 4b in revenue on a yearly basis, they wouldn’t want to piss off Apple by throwing the oled reject panels at them whilst pretending they are doing Apple a favor.

 

[jamezr]

Is anyone feeling slightly concerned about the brightness of the X OLED panel? Sure its possible its brighter than the iPhone 8 but Apple wouldnt rate them at the same brightness spec if that was the case. One of the advantages of the Note 8 OLED is that its clearly visible in direct sunlight. Is the X OLED a lot inferior because even the S8 has max brightness of a 1000 nits.

Also there is the issue that Apple had no one to turn to for OLED panels and so Samsung had them at their "mercy" so to speak.

yep....Apple has no one else to supply display screens right now. They have invested in LG but that won't come to fruition for a few years yet. By that time Samsung will have further evolved their screen technology as well.

 

[Radon87000]

No, should I get one I’m not concerned.

So at $1200 you are okay with a lower brightness level than Samsung’a $600 phone?

Also if Samsung wants an extra 4b in revenue on a yearly basis, they wouldn’t want to piss off Apple by throwing the oled reject panels at them whilst pretending they are doing Apple a favor.

And what can Apple do if it gets pissed off? Japan Display and LG don’t even have the scale to pull of manufacturing these panels en masse. By the time they do Samsung will already be on a much higher quality OLED and it can actually mass produce them.

Is Samsung selling Apple, Galaxy S7/S6 OLED panels? Even if they are better than the current LCD displays I don’t fancy a 2015 OLed display for the price we are paying.

 

[maka344]

So at $1200 you are okay with a lower brightness level than Samsung’a $600 phone?



And what can Apple do if it gets pissed off? Japan Display and LG don’t even have the scale to pull of manufacturing these panels en masse. By the time they do Samsung will already be on a much higher quality OLED and it can actually mass produce them.

Is Samsung selling Apple, Galaxy S7/S6 OLED panels? Even if they are better than the current LCD displays I don’t fancy a 2015 OLed display for the price we are paying.

We won’t know until the X is launched however, the analysts suspect that this is indeed the case. Possibly S6. However, Apple may have deliberately reduced the nits to prevent burn in but then the S8 is 1000 and the Note 8 upto 1200 and there are no wide spread issues there.

 

[Radon87000]

We won’t know until the X is launched however, the analysts suspect that this is indeed the case. Possibly S6. However, Apple may have deliberately reduced the nits to prevent burn in but then the S8 is 1000 and the Note 8 upto 1200 and there are no wide spread issues there.

One of the pros about oled technology is how bright it can get, especially the best panels. Limiting brightness is the equivalent of buying a Lamborghini and installing a speed limiter because there is the chance of an accident. Also I am reading OLED needs to be brighter at the same levels than LCD to,be viewable. I hope Apple realise they are being taken for a ride here and do something as it's going to be frustrating getting an inferior display to a $600 product. But then again I doubt even Apple care about this as in my opinion until Apple comes out with a complete piece of **** phone, it would still sell mad amd thats all that matters in the end.

 

[I7guy]

So at $1200 you are okay with a lower brightness level than Samsung’a $600 phone?

Yes.

And what can Apple do if it gets pissed off? Japan Display and LG don’t even have the scale to pull of manufacturing these panels en masse. By the time they do Samsung will already be on a much higher quality OLED and it can actually mass produce them.

You think this is the status quo forever? At some point in time if Apple gets pissed off samsung will earn $0 from Apple and it might not be in as long in the future as you think. And which company will replace the volume? So if I were Samsung I would think long and hard about pissing off a customer. And with Apple dumping billions into screens they’ll end up with a better product than Samsung.

Is Samsung selling Apple, Galaxy S7/S6 OLED panels? Even if they are better than the current LCD displays I don’t fancy a 2015 OLed display for the price we are paying.

You don’t know the specs that were asked for. Might as well get the new pixel, sounds like it’s perfect for you.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Yes.


You think this is the status quo forever? At some point in time if Apple gets pissed off samsung will earn $0 from Apple and it might not be in as long in the future as you think. And which company will replace the volume? So if I were Samsung I would think long and hard about pissing off a customer. And with Apple dumping billions into screens they’ll end up with a better product than Samsung.


You don’t know the specs that were asked for. Might as well get the new pixel, sounds like it’s perfect for you.

I can see both sides of this.

Samsung doesn’t want to piss off apple so they give them their best.

Alternatively, Samsung gives them their s7 or s6 panels, which fits Samsung’s historical trend. Apple will still have the same in the calibration of the panel, like they do with the 8 line (still love the lcd of my 8+).

It think the later is more likely. It has been reported multiple times that Apple is investing in LG, in order to cut their dependency on Samsung. Samsung knows this, so I doubt they are bending over backwards for Apple. If they were, their wouldn’t be making such a profit on each panel sold.

But just like the 8+ and it’s “outdated” panel, it’s going to be a superb screen either way. It might lose on a YouTube comparison, and serve as fuel for these pointless arguments....but the consumer will be happy either way.

Plus, Apple could make the panel black and white, decrease the resolution, and call it a feature. It would sale in volumes for a few years. Such is the marketing power of Apple. I don’t mean this as an insult to anyone on here, I currently own several apple products, and the draw of the ecosystem will probably invest me further. But I won’t overspend on a product, hence the diversity of my ecosystem.

 

[Radon87000]

I can see both sides of this.

Samsung doesn’t want to piss off apple so they give them their best.

Alternatively, Samsung gives them their s7 or s6 panels, which fits Samsung’s historical trend. Apple will still have the same in the calibration of the panel, like they do with the 8 line (still love the lcd of my 8+).

It think the later is more likely. It has been reported multiple times that Apple is investing in LG, in order to cut their dependency on Samsung. Samsung knows this, so I doubt they are bending over backwards for Apple. If they were, their wouldn’t be making such a profit on each panel sold.

But just like the 8+ and it’s “outdated” panel, it’s going to be a superb screen either way. It might lose on a YouTube comparison, and serve as fuel for these pointless arguments....but the consumer will be happy either way.

Plus, Apple could make the panel black and white, decrease the resolution, and call it a feature. It would sale in volumes for a few years. Such is the marketing power of Apple. I don’t mean this as an insult to anyone on here, I currently own several apple products, and the draw of the ecosystem will probably invest me further. But I won’t overspend on a product, hence the diversity of my ecosystem.

The perfect phone would be Samsung’s best hardware coupled with Apple or Google’s software. That will remain a distant dream sadly.

 

[I7guy]

I can see both sides of this.

Samsung doesn’t want to piss off apple so they give them their best.

Alternatively, Samsung gives them their s7 or s6 panels, which fits Samsung’s historical trend. Apple will still have the same in the calibration of the panel, like they do with the 8 line (still love the lcd of my 8+).

It think the later is more likely. It has been reported multiple times that Apple is investing in LG, in order to cut their dependency on Samsung. Samsung knows this, so I doubt they are bending over backwards for Apple. If they were, their wouldn’t be making such a profit on each panel sold.

But just like the 8+ and it’s “outdated” panel, it’s going to be a superb screen either way. It might lose on a YouTube comparison, and serve as fuel for these pointless arguments....but the consumer will be happy either way.

Plus, Apple could make the panel black and white, decrease the resolution, and call it a feature. It would sale in volumes for a few years. Such is the marketing power of Apple. I don’t mean this as an insult to anyone on here, I currently own several apple products, and the draw of the ecosystem will probably invest me further. But I won’t overspend on a product, hence the diversity of my ecosystem.

Good post. The point being made all along is about the supposition. No matter what “we” may think “we” don’t know what Apple asked for in terms of specs nor do we know what Samsung said they would deliver. And we also don’t know if Apple and Samsung entered into any collaborative agreement.

 

[FFR]

I can see both sides of this.

Samsung doesn’t want to piss off apple so they give them their best.

Alternatively, Samsung gives them their s7 or s6 panels, which fits Samsung’s historical trend. Apple will still have the same in the calibration of the panel, like they do with the 8 line (still love the lcd of my 8+).

It think the later is more likely. It has been reported multiple times that Apple is investing in LG, in order to cut their dependency on Samsung. Samsung knows this, so I doubt they are bending over backwards for Apple. If they were, their wouldn’t be making such a profit on each panel sold.

But just like the 8+ and it’s “outdated” panel, it’s going to be a superb screen either way. It might lose on a YouTube comparison, and serve as fuel for these pointless arguments....but the consumer will be happy either way.

Plus, Apple could make the panel black and white, decrease the resolution, and call it a feature. It would sale in volumes for a few years. Such is the marketing power of Apple. I don’t mean this as an insult to anyone on here, I currently own several apple products, and the draw of the ecosystem will probably invest me further. But I won’t overspend on a product, hence the diversity of my ecosystem.

Yeah but if Samsung gives Apple anything but their best next year Apple will take their business elsewhere, just like they did to Samsung after the a9.

Samsung messed up and apple made tsmc their sole supplier for the a10 and a11.

Since smartphones at Samsung now only represents less than 1/4 of their revenue , Displays and semiconductor divisions can’t afford to lose apples business.

“bulk of Samsung's profits were from the semiconductor business,”

And

“Sales from the mobile unit declined, with the business posting an operating profit of $1.8 billion (2.07 trillion won), down 47% from the $3.4 billion (3.89 trillion won) it netted a year ago.”

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-posts-record-profits-q1-2017-even-phone-sales-decline

Not to mention:
“Earlier this year, Toshiba shareholders gave the go-ahead for the sale of the memory business; Toshiba is the world's second largest producer of NAND flash memory — behind Samsung. And last week, the board agreed to sell the unit to the Bain consortium.”

Apple has secured their nand chips going forward and it’s not going to be be from Samsung.

 

[jamezr]

Yeah but if Samsung gives Apple anything but their best next year Apple will take their business elsewhere, just like they did to Samsung after the a9.

Samsung messed up and apple made tsmc their sole supplier for the a10 and a11.

Since smartphones at Samsung now only represents less than 1/4 of their revenue , Displays and semiconductor divisions can’t afford to lose apples business.

“bulk of Samsung's profits were from the semiconductor business,”

And

“Sales from the mobile unit declined, with the business posting an operating profit of $1.8 billion (2.07 trillion won), down 47% from the $3.4 billion (3.89 trillion won) it netted a year ago.”

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-posts-record-profits-q1-2017-even-phone-sales-decline

Not to mention:
“Earlier this year, Toshiba shareholders gave the go-ahead for the sale of the memory business; Toshiba is the world's second largest producer of NAND flash memory — behind Samsung. And last week, the board agreed to sell the unit to the Bain consortium.”

Apple has secured their nand chips going forward and it’s not going to be be from Samsung.

Where would they get 50 Mil display panels that meet their specs? LG has proven they cannot meet those numbers and specs.

Samsung messed up and apple made tsmc their sole supplier for the a10 and a11

Not quite....the TMSC chip outperformed the Samsung chip....that switch was a no brainer.

About the memory chips.....Samsung still leads the sector in performance and availability.

Toshiba simply cannot compete with the performance and quantity Samsung can produce in NAND flash chips.


I have both an iPhone 8 Plus and a Note 8....side by side the Note 8 display is a lot better imho

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah but if Samsung gives Apple anything but their best next year Apple will take their business elsewhere, just like they did to Samsung after the a9.

Samsung messed up and apple made tsmc their sole supplier for the a10 and a11.

Since smartphones at Samsung now only represents less than 1/4 of their revenue , Displays and semiconductor divisions can’t afford to lose apples business.

“bulk of Samsung's profits were from the semiconductor business,”

And

“Sales from the mobile unit declined, with the business posting an operating profit of $1.8 billion (2.07 trillion won), down 47% from the $3.4 billion (3.89 trillion won) it netted a year ago.”

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-posts-record-profits-q1-2017-even-phone-sales-decline

Not to mention:
“Earlier this year, Toshiba shareholders gave the go-ahead for the sale of the memory business; Toshiba is the world's second largest producer of NAND flash memory — behind Samsung. And last week, the board agreed to sell the unit to the Bain consortium.”

Apple has secured their nand chips going forward and it’s not going to be be from Samsung.

There is no “elsewhere” for oled. Japan Displays and LG are just in their nascent stages for OLEd production.

 

[I7guy]

There is no “elsewhere” for oled. Japan Displays and LG are just in their nascent stages for OLEd production.

There will be “elsewheres” shortly, which is why Samsung has to act in an honorable manner.

 

[jamezr]

There is no “elsewhere” for oled. Japan Displays and LG are just in their nascent stages for OLEd production.

exactly......not for a few more years at least. But by then Samsung will have evolved and developed better displays in the meantime.

 

[Radon87000]

There will be “elsewheres” shortly, which is why Samsung has to act in an honorable manner.

Samsung didn’t get here in a day. It’s taken years for them and it will take a similar amount of time for LG and Japan Dosplay and even then there is no guarantee they will be able to produce a good quality oled even in small numbers. Both the new Pixel 2 and the LG V30 use P-OLED from LG and both the models suffer from banding issues and we all know how many of these phones will sell. Even if Apple’s money helps them they need to be able to mass produce it which is a daunting task. Looking at the issues with the v30, Samsung has nothing to fear from LG

 

[spinedoc77]

Is anyone feeling slightly concerned about the brightness of the X OLED panel? Sure its possible its brighter than the iPhone 8 but Apple wouldnt rate them at the same brightness spec if that was the case. One of the advantages of the Note 8 OLED is that its clearly visible in direct sunlight. Is the X OLED a lot inferior because even the S8 has max brightness of a 1000 nits.

Also there is the issue that Apple had no one to turn to for OLED panels and so Samsung had them at their "mercy" so to speak.

I'm a bit concerned. Seeing how their LCD displays completely wash out in sunlight, I'm concerned Apple doesn't really care very much about this. I guess we'll see when it's released.