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jamezr

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SD card isn't a big deal not with storage in the 128/256 and maybe 512 range.

Wireless charging I guess we will see if 3rd party chargers are allowed or not but if I'm paying Apple products I would likely buy the Apple pad anyway.

With lockscreen widgets I'm not sure on screen widgets is badly needed anymore. The ones on there are enough. Would home screen widgets be good? Of course but it's not a deal breaker. Sadly when I had them it kind of slowed down the phone. Granted I would have more than most would

OLED
Wireless charging
No bezel
Thinner model
Tap to wake

All rumoured features which I was hoping to have to compete with the Samsung phones and that's what we will get

If I was to get a 2nd phone it would be the note 8 without question as it's the most compete phone BUT the software is just bad compared to IOS for me and that's why I couldn't have it as my main driver
Im not going to buy a proprietary wireless charger that I can only use for one phone. Then based on the leaks it is slow wireless charging as well. Then Im sure it will be very expensive compare to the standard fast wireless charging unit out there today.

But my response was more to this than debating pros and cons....

I think feature wise samsung have had the upper hand on the iPhone for years but this year is likely not going to be the case with the new iPhone. It has all the features we have been wanting for

It still doesn't stack up to the current gen flagships being released today feature wise......
 

The Game 161

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Im not going to buy a proprietary wireless charger that I can only use for one phone. Then based on the leaks it is slow wireless charging as well. Then Im sure it will be very expensive compare to the standard fast wireless charging unit out there today.

But my response was more to this than debating pros and cons....



It still doesn't stack up to the current gen flagships being released today feature wise......
Wireless charger isn't something i would use any other time apart from when i go to bed. Fast charging will be used more often than not but it will still be nice to have.

Samsung sure still has more features but the gap isn't big anymore. Apple are finally adding much needed features to the phone this year which people have wanted. With what apple are expecting to add this year what features are missing that they should add? Maybe spilt screen on the bigger devices is the one that comes to mind. Apart from that there isn't any others that stand out. More apps on the page maybe so yeah but having just a few compared to several is a lot better than what we have had in recent years.
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Clear them out? The notifications stayed nestled in their under their own app, but you can expand and scroll in the notification panel. For example, ESPN sends me 1000 notifications a day, and being able to do this is nice.

On my iPad, the lockscreen is just a jumbled mess.
Certain apps like twitter stopped giving you notifications unless you cleared them out over a certain amount which for me is a big turn off.
 

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Im not going to buy a proprietary wireless charger that I can only use for one phone.

Most iPhone users will though, don't you think? I think those who switch between OS's often are not the norm, and this Apple wireless charger will (presumably) with with iPhone's for years.
 

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Most iPhone users will though, don't you think? I think those who switch between OS's often are not the norm, and this Apple wireless charger will (presumably) with with iPhone's for years.
They don't have a choice now do they? If they want to use the new feature they have to buy an extra accessories that some might already have. Then the wireless charging expected in the iphone 8 is slower than the current wireless chargers on the market. That is not a good combination in my book just so they can be proprietary
 
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spinedoc77

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Might wanna back off of the V30 praise until more reviews on that screen come in. o_O
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I've already read several reviews which tout how nice the screen is, most say it's just as good as Samsung's offerings. I've also read that the 2nd camera on the v30 is very nice, where most N8 reviews pan the 2nd camera's performance.

Of course reviews are always a mixed bag and usually quite subjective. I don't see any review saying either is terrible, or that either is head and shoulders above the other. So it boils down to the user and what features in both hardware and software they need.
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We don't know a lot about the iPhone 8's specs. However as of right now the note 8 has a better camera and screen this than the iPhone 7 plus and Samsung has owned Apple in these areas for a few years now. There may not be fast charging, the wireless charging is rumoured to be standard charging not fast charging.

The iPhone 8 is rumoured to only have facial recognition.

I've read reviews either way on Samsung cameras versus Apple, but in any event my interest is in the iPhone 8 and not last years model. Fast wireless charging, yeah that's a bummer, and an insult if Apple is doing it to keep it proprietary and sell only their licensed chargers. Rumors say that the ip8's facial recognition will be truly secure, unlike Samsung's which supposedly isn't very secure out of the box. From what I understand there is a setting which makes Samsung's facial recognition more secure, but I'm not sure how much more secure or if it affects anything else like speed.

Of course it's all rumors and hearsay until the ip8 is out in the wild.
 
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DaveOP

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They don't have a choice now do they? If they want to use the new feature they have to buy an extra accessories that some might already have. Then the wireless charging expected in the iphone 8 is slower than the current wireless chargers on the market. That is not a good combination in my book just so they can be proprietary
I won't comment on the speed, since nothing has been announced yet. There will certainly be some switchers from Android that will already have wireless chargers, but I wonder if this number is more than 5-10% at best of the people purchasing iPhones. I think this will effect people like you and me, who have lots of handsets and lots of accessories already. We are a pretty small minority.
 

jamezr

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I won't comment on the speed, since nothing has been announced yet. There will certainly be some switchers from Android that will already have wireless chargers, but I wonder if this number is more than 5-10% at best of the people purchasing iPhones. I think this will effect people like you and me, who have lots of handsets and lots of accessories already. We are a pretty small minority.
Not sure I understand not commenting on something that hasn't been announced yet comment. Wireless charging hasn't been announced yet....yet here we are discussing it :)

I think there are more people that switch back and forth than most realize. Not huge numbers mind you but enough.
Making wireless charging a proprietary feature is not surprising mind you. Apple does this to increase revenue and fits in with what they have done in the past.
All rumors point to it being slower than the current standards and speeds. So people can buy cheaper and faster wireless chargers...they just won't work on the new iphones....
 

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The Wall Street Journal is a subscription only site as well...going to imply their reporting is not valid simply because they charge for their content? :rolleyes:

First, your initial evidence that the iPhone 8 will not sell is from a CEO of a singular retailer that contradicts himself by first claiming that their reduced sales are due in part to the rising cost of handsets but then professes that the device that will turn around their fortune this year is rumored to be the most expensive mainstream smartphone on the planet. Next, you ask for proof that the sales of iPhones are the best selling phones and are provided with said proof. Go ahead and grasp at some more straws when sources disprove your argument...

And in case you still are weary about the source of those figures, here’s some more detailed information about the company providing those numbers:

IHS Markit

Not exactly a tiny, flash in the pan company without any history. ;) Their numbers were certainly good enough for CNBC.

Your seriously asking me if I trust American news media?!?! Some people on here would put you in the nut hoise for doing so!

So no, I don't wholly trust them, do you? And the only original link you provided has a source you can't verify without subscribing to the source...
Then you post the stuff above.
I've never heard of the source your praising so passionately, I mean who are they? Some small time American company I suspect. Thy must be tiny if you think Carphone Warehouse are not worthy of paying attention to...

And if you actually read what I posted BEFORE you jumped in, I said what contravenes a 'flagship' phone to the other OP, and I want to see sales figures for those 'flagship phones' then you jumped in....

Yeah so basically you jumped right on in with my discussion with Trufan not really understanding the jist of my comments and then attempt to call me out as being stupid for not believing in your sales figures....

It's typical MacRumors..
 

DaveOP

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Not sure I understand not commenting on something that hasn't been announced yet comment. Wireless charging hasn't been announced yet....yet here we are discussing it :)

I think there are more people that switch back and forth than most realize. Not huge numbers mind you but enough.
Making wireless charging a proprietary feature is not surprising mind you. Apple does this to increase revenue and fits in with what they have done in the past.
All rumors point to it being slower than the current standards and speeds. So people can buy cheaper and faster wireless chargers...they just won't work on the new iphones....

Well, the slower charging would (likely) have some justification. Apple has been in the Qi charging group, it's hard to believe this will be 100% proprietary, but who knows. The wireless fast charging seems to get devices really hot (at least with my S8+), and I don't find it to be anywhere near as fast as plugging it in. They could build a story around safety, we all have no idea. I am sure that a lot of people switch, but you are probably in the top .0001% of people in terms of how many devices you own and how often you change.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Well, the slower charging would (likely) have some justification. Apple has been in the Qi charging group, it's hard to believe this will be 100% proprietary, but who knows. The wireless fast charging seems to get devices really hot (at least with my S8+), and I don't find it to be anywhere near as fast as plugging it in. They could build a story around safety, we all have no idea. I am sure that a lot of people switch, but you are probably in the top .0001% of people in terms of how many devices you own and how often you change.

I have the Samsung regular wireless charging pad and the fast wireless charging stand. Never experienced the phone getting too hot from neither, just a little warm until if reaches 100%. I can't speak on 3rd party wireless chargers.

Fast wireless charging has been just as fast(or very close) to the speed of regular corded non-fast charging.
 
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Klyster

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My S7 edge doesn't get hot on my wireless charger. Neither does the Note 5.
Can't say I've even noticed either of them being warm either.

That's not to say that others don't heat up though..
 
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Problem with the apple rumored charging pad i don't like that it's just a pad and not a stand like Samsung's

That is the perfect wireless charging stand for me. Love how you can have it flat/standing up or even taking it out and about with you.

Maybe apple will bring one like this in 2018
 
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Problem with the apple rumored charging pad i don't like that it's just a pad and not a stand like Samsung's

That is the perfect wireless charging stand for me. Love how you can have it flat/standing up or even taking it out and about with you.

Maybe apple will bring one like this in 2018
Oh you have the nice one. I've got the cheaper ones that look like hockey pucks.
 

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Oh you have the nice one. I've got the cheaper ones that look like hockey pucks.

I've had all 3 and yeah the original one looks so different to the current ones. Bought one for my dad for his S8 plus. Only thing is he can't use it sort the wallet case he had as it won't charge with his cards in for some reason
 

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I've had all 3 and yeah the original one looks so different to the current ones. Bought one for my dad for his S8 plus. Only thing is he can't use it sort the wallet case he had as it won't charge with his cards in for some reason
I have the official Samsung wallet case with one hotel key card in it (useless now, souvenir of a school trip) and my phone charges fine with it, but I've never tried to charge with any other type of wallet case.

I like the looks and utility of the newer style chargers. If I stay with Samsung I will get one.

I really am not sure how my IPhone vs Android path will turn out. At some point I will be going back to just one line and one active sim at a time. I'm very fond of my Apple Watch. But if Apple cedes too many advantages to Android I am not sure what the outcome will be for me. I need to see how hard Apple is going to shake us down over the cost of accessories. If they require proprietary wireless chargers I just may have to move on over to V30 or Note 8 and stay in the Android camp.
 

spinedoc77

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Problem with the apple rumored charging pad i don't like that it's just a pad and not a stand like Samsung's

That is the perfect wireless charging stand for me. Love how you can have it flat/standing up or even taking it out and about with you.

Maybe apple will bring one like this in 2018

Yeah that will suck, I really like Samsung's stand up wireless charger. For my 7 plus I use the wired stand that Apple sells, hopefully they realize many of us like to look at our phones when charging.
 
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I have the official Samsung wallet case with one hotel key card in it (useless now, souvenir of a school trip) and my phone charges fine with it, but I've never tried to charge with any other type of wallet case.

I like the looks and utility of the newer style chargers. If I stay with Samsung I will get one.

I really am not sure how my IPhone vs Android path will turn out. At some point I will be going back to just one line and one active sim at a time. I'm very fond of my Apple Watch. But if Apple cedes too many advantages to Android I am not sure what the outcome will be for me. I need to see how hard Apple is going to shake us down over the cost of accessories. If they require proprietary wireless chargers I just may have to move on over to V30 or Note 8 and stay in the Android camp.
'This is the thing i would love nothing more than rock with the iPhone and the note series but it is just not something i could do. I'm too tied into apple in products to leave and IOS for me is far better than TW/android. I agree feature wise is big with android and there are things i miss.

I'm looking forward to the new iPhone and what it brings and go from there. I do get price will be an issue and so will availability. I hear they may do a 6.4 inch screen next year which will be good to help compete with the note series size.
 
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DaveOP

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I have the Samsung regular wireless charging pad and the fast wireless charging stand. Never experienced the phone getting too hot from neither, just a little warm until if reaches 100%. I can't speak on 3rd party wireless chargers.

Fast wireless charging has been just as fast(or very close) to the speed of regular corded non-fast charging.
Doesn't the Samsung one have a fan in it, if I remember right? I thought that was their answer to combat this exact issue. (I could certainly be wrong)
 

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Doesn't the Samsung one have a fan in it, if I remember right? I thought that was their answer to combat this exact issue. (I could certainly be wrong)

Yes, it has a fan. I never actually heard it kick in, even when my room is completely silent, so I wouldn't know if the fan is being used or not. But the fan isn't for the phone, it's for the charger itself.
 
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No Apple product will give you the best bang for your buck. That's just reality.

With that being said, for me it's the Note 8 and it's really not close.

I've only bought Apple phones up to this point, starting with the 3g, the 4, the 5, and now the 7+. The thing is, the 7+ is just boring, and it's not because of the hardware, it's because iOS largely looks and feels the same as it always has. Moving around in my iPhone 5 started slowing down, and things like typing wasn't as quick, but all my apps still ran just as well on the 5 as they do on my 7+. Basically, it made me actually ask "why the hell did I just pay $1000 for the 7+"?

What's new about the iPhone 8? Bezel-less screen, OLED, and wireless charging. Things that Samsung have already had, and in the case of OLED, Samsung has had it for a very long time. For the software, iOS will again feel the same with a few new features, but most of the interesting features are only for iPad. Whereas Android is so customizable with how you phone looks and feels it's crazy. Seriously, just check out homescreen setups on youtube to see how you can truly make your phone look different from every other phone, whereas that isn't the case with iOS.

Also, true multitasking is a big deal for me, having youtube on while surfing the internet is awesome, and something you can't do with iOS. Not to mention all of the other features of android, including the additional features that Samsung has added (multi-tasking is much more powerful on Samsung phones). For those who are still under the impression that Samsung phones are a lag fest because of their software, that's not the case anymore so you can drop that narrative. I've seen plenty of S8's and S8+'s run smooth as butter, with maybe a hiccup every once in a blue moon. My iPhone 7+ has a hiccup once every blue moon as well. From all reports, the UI on the Note 8 has been even further optimized to eliminate those hiccups. So again, you can stop spreading the lagfest narrative of 3 years ago.

Then there's the S-Pen. I used to be one of those types who thought it was just a gimmick, and simply replaced your finger with a pen, and only really helpful if you're an artist. That's actually what Apple would like you to think if you go back to when Steve Jobs was knocking it on stage. Then I realized how much I'd use it as an engineer. I'm always brainstorming new concepts and sketching out ideas to quickly see if they have merit, drawing free body diagrams, or even circuit schematics. I'd always find myself looking for a piece of paper and pen when I had an idea pop into my head only to see that there was nothing around. That's all solved with the S-Pen, especially since it's so quick that you can just write with the screen off and not have to go unlock the phone, open an app, and then start typing (like you would with an iPhone).

That's not it though, like I said, the pen doesn't simply replace your finger, it makes a lot of common tasks more efficient. Something simple like copying text, just hold the button on the pen and drag the across the text. With my iPhone, half the time I first try to select something, it doesn't get the right letter, then I have to spread the corners of the selecting tool to my start and end points of what I want selected. Sounds simple, but the Pen takes a tiny pain in the a** and makes it super convenient, add all of those tiny pain in the a**'s over the course of two years and that's a lot of time and headaches saved.

What about other things? As someone who travels and encounters websites in foreign languages, just hover the pen over the sentence you want translated and it does it then and there. Otherwise, you have to go through that tiny pain in the a** of selecting and copying the text, minimize the app, find and open google translate, then paste to finally see the translation. One step instead of 5-6 steps.

That's not even mentioning the easy creation of gifs, writing things on screenshots, etc... Basically, if you learn everything about the S-Pen and use all of the features it provides, it's a game changer. If you don't, at the very least it makes common tasks that everyone does at some point that much more convenient/faster.

Oh, and about cost. Yes, the note 8 unlocked goes for $930. The thing is, Samsung will let me trade my 5 year old iphone 5 in for $200. Now I'm only paying $730, good luck getting that type of deal from Apple. For pre-ordering, I also got a 128GB SD card and a fast wireless charger for free (worth ~$180). Even if you don't have any old phone to trade in, you are getting way more bang for your buck with the Note 8. Then, of course, 2 months down the road Samsung will be offering plenty of deals so you can get it for less, whereas the iPhone 8 will be just as expensive as it always was all the way up to the day the iPhone 9 is announced.

With all of that being said, for me, it's pretty obvious that the Note 8 is the way to go, and it's not even close.

While I was reading that, I almost felt as if it was me writing it, creepy. I agree with almost everything you said. I'm very close to jumping to the other side and getting the Note 8 after 8 long years of iPhone ownership. I've been underwhelmed with iOS over the last few years, with Apple churning out the same old design both in terms of hardware and software. The iPhone 4 was Apple's best phone in terms of design and innovation, but sadly these days it's not been too great and the iPhone 8's bezel-less screen, rumoured wireless charging and OLED screen is too late in the game. It should have been Apple to be the one to beat the competition, but its been the competition that seems to be the innovators in late years.

I'm also one who didn't really see the benefits of having a stylus (S-Pen) and thought of it more as something for artists/creative users. But if I really think about it, it is actually something that I'd find really useful in day-to-day usage, especially for those fiddly tasks that your fingers aren't really designed for. Like you say it's those little things that you do on a daily basis that an S-Pen can make your life so much easier and over time the benefit in time saved and convenience easily adds up. Btw, creating gifs from video seems pretty neat and I can see myself using that a lot :)

As for price, I don't understand the complaints either. Give it a few weeks until the iPhone 8 and Pixel is released and prices for the Note 8 will start falling down to reasonable levels anyways. I've seen contract prices already falling in the UK and it's not even officially released. Even if you are willing to pay today's prices, the freebies Samsung are throwing in are pretty decent (and useful) or you could sell these off and use it towards paying off the cost of the Note 8 anyways, making it cheaper.

That said, i'm still looking forward to Apple's keynote like I do every year and see what they have to offer, but based on the rumours we've seen on the design, features and price, I've already got one hand on the Note 8.
 

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Although note 8 is at 960 dollars, with trade in you can 200 dollars from iphone 5-6s models. If you pre-order now, you can either choose 360 cam or 128 gb memory WITH charging thing.
 

DaveOP

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Yes, it has a fan. I never actually heard it kick in, even when my room is completely silent, so I wouldn't know if the fan is being used or not. But the fan isn't for the phone, it's for the charger itself.
Yes, but if it keeps the charger cool, that would help keep the phone cool? I understood that the heat was from the charging coils, not the phone getting warm.
 

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That said, i'm still looking forward to Apple's keynote like I do every year and see what they have to offer, but based on the rumours we've seen on the design, features and price, I've already got one hand on the Note 8.

I think that really applies to all of us. I'd never buy an iPhone but I am interested in seeing what it's going to look like and what Apple thinks the future looks like.
 

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I’m prepping for a vacation next month and I’m currently weighing the merits of taking my S8+ or a potentially an iPhone 8 depending on what has to show on Tuesday.

I will not be taking my Mac.

Thus far the S8+ has some advantages.

  1. Replaceable SD means I can take as much 4K video as I like without fear of storage limitations.
  2. S8+ camera captures better images than the iPhone 7+ but I’m hoping Apple steps up with the 8
  3. The current Samsung experience and hardware is well patched and mature. iPhone 8 is a whole new ball game for Apple. I’m expecting quirks.
  4. S8+ charges damn fast when popping in and out of hotels and cafes.
  5. Can share memory and charge cables with GoPro (already own usb-c adaptor).
  6. Giant QHD+ display for movies on the plane. Again SD comes in handy for this.

Reasons I would consider the iPhone 8 based upon what I know:

  1. Simpler iCloud integration without needing my Mac.
  2. iMessage and FaceTime when checking in on kids back in USA.
  3. Slightly easier for iMovie imports
  4. Possibly improved camera.
Now consider the Note 8 is even more potent of a device than the S8+.

Even more interesting, debates like this didn’t happen 4 years ago. That’s how much Samsung has progressed while Apple...
 

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Anyone remember this old, but gold meme?
 

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