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Thanks for all the neat diagrams. My question was why does the X which has a smaller display screen and a larger mah battery last less time than the Plus model? Are you suggesting the X is actually bigger than the plus because of the dual layer PCB?


No I mean that in order to make space, Apple use a two story concept on their main/logic board (PCB). As a result of this, you opened up space that was filled up with more battery cells.

This is a representation on how it works
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Here is a real work application of it
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iPhone application of stacked PCB:
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Thanks for all the neat diagrams. My question was why does the X which has a smaller display screen and a larger mah battery last less time than the Plus model? Are you suggesting the X is actually bigger than the plus because of the dual layer PCB?

Mainly because there is extra power draw. Battery capacity does nothing but provide more power. How that power is used depends on the components that have to be powered.

The iPhone X is a new design with several new elements that require power. The iPhone 8 (and 8 Plus) are based on a 4 year old design (6 and 6 Plus) that have had incremental and efficiency related improvements to power draw. Hence, you could say that the power layout of the 8 and 8 Plus are much more robust. Furthermore, the iPhone X also is much more hot to the touch which means that the CPU is awake for more time, which translates to power draw. It has to be noted that a stacked PCB also produces mroe heat.
 
What is strange is that the iPhone X is both physically smaller and has a larger battery compared to the plus. Maybe the FaceID scanning is what uses up the battery faster?

From my experience with OLED screens (previous Android user life with Samsung and HTC phones) OLED is a battery sucker. It is sold as battery efficient, at least back in the day it was, but I always found the LCD based phones had the better battery life experience overall. OLED is a fad that will never die unfortunately but I know others feel differently. More power to them. At least Apple is trying to improve the technology for its customers though.
 
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The YouTube battery tests are all done at full brightness and so that’s why the X beats the 8+, but if it’s set to a more typical brightness level of 25-50% of Max then the + phones just might go longer.

I’m at 25% brightness indoors right now on my 7+ and it’s almost too bright. Outdoors it might increase to max with sunlight, but when I go back inside my auto-dimming drops it back to 25% of max.

Oh yeah. Good point. Is the OLED panel on the X more efficient at full brightness?

From what I've seen, in several YouTube battery tests, the 8+ dies faster than the X when at full brightness. I seem to recall the X goes close to 6 hours of usage while the 8+ dies just above 5 hours, at max brightness.

But in my experience, at normal brightness levels and with normal usage, my X might go 8-10 hours of usage during a 15 hour day, not just that measly 6 hours you see in the torture tests. In comparison, while on iOS 10.3.3 my 7+ would easily go 10-11 hours over a 15 hour day, which is what many are claiming for the 8+ on iOS 11.

Unfortunately, with iOS 11 my 7+ gets about the same battery life as the X, and Apple robbed me of 1-3 hours of life with the update (97% battery capacity at full charge). Today I mostly used my 7+ (only used my X for outgoing calls), and it's battery is at 60% after 3h 20m of use over a 13 hour day. At this level of drain I'd be down to 1% at 8.25 hours of usage. So, I pray that Apple optimizes iOS 11 for 7+ SOON!
 
From my experience with OLED screens (previous Android user life with Samsung and HTC phones) OLED is a battery sucker. It is sold as battery efficient, at least back in the day it was, but I always found the LCD based phones had the better battery life experience overall. OLED is a fad that will never die unfortunately but I know others feel differently. More power to them. At least Apple is trying to improve the technology for its customers though.

Actually, I'm curious to see how long Apple utilizes OLED. The way I see it, when the market matures enough, I think Micro-LED will eventually be replacing OLED with the iPhone because it's far more efficient, but that's nowhere near ready on a mass level and it's likely still in research and development. But I think the Apple Watch will be the first to see micro LED.

Its intereting technology:

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/26/micro-led-battery-life/
 
From what I've seen, in several YouTube battery tests, the 8+ dies faster than the X when at full brightness. I seem to recall the X goes close to 6 hours of usage while the 8+ dies just above 5 hours, at max brightness.

But in my experience, at normal brightness levels and with normal usage, my X might go 8-10 hours of usage during a 15 hour day, not just that measly 6 hours you see in the torture tests. In comparison, while on iOS 10.3.3 my 7+ would easily go 10-11 hours over a 15 hour day, which is what many are claiming for the 8+ on iOS 11.

Unfortunately, with iOS 11 my 7+ gets about the same battery life as the X, and Apple robbed me of 1-3 hours of life with the update (97% battery capacity at full charge). Today I mostly used my 7+ (only used my X for outgoing calls), and it's battery is at 60% after 3h 20m of use over a 13 hour day. At this level of drain I'd be down to 1% at 8.25 hours of usage. So, I pray that Apple optimizes iOS 11 for 7+ SOON!

True story! My 7 Plus on iOS 10 lasted forever. 10-11 hours on average. With iOS 11, it's 8-9 hours max. My battery health was at 98% (checked using coconut battery) when I updated in November, but today it's at 88%! It it dropped 10% in 3 months! My X can last for about 9 hours. But still, not as good as how my 7 Plus was on iOS 10.
 
True story! My 7 Plus on iOS 10 lasted forever. 10-11 hours on average. With iOS 11, it's 8-9 hours max. My battery health was at 98% (checked using coconut battery) when I updated in November, but today it's at 88%! It it dropped 10% in 3 months! My X can last for about 9 hours. But still, not as good as how my 7 Plus was on iOS 10.

Yeah, my 7+ battery with iOS 10.3.3 would last forever, but at least iOS 11 didn't slow it down when it reduced my run-time by 20%. My 7+ is still at 97% capacity, so that didn't change. My iPad Mini 4 also took a hit on run-time, and the battery drains noticeably faster on iOS 11, with a good battery at 94%.
 
Moral story don't upgrade for a while to major new iOS. Heck don't upgrade more than one release post what came on your iPhone
 
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Yeah, my 7+ battery with iOS 10.3.3 would last forever, but at least iOS 11 didn't slow it down when it reduced my run-time by 20%. My 7+ is still at 97% capacity, so that didn't change. My iPad Mini 4 also took a hit on run-time, and the battery drains noticeably faster on iOS 11, with a good battery at 94%.
Will you people quit my iPhone 7 plus got 6 hours on iOS 10 and it gets same on iOS 11
IOS 11 is almost perfect with some small bugs
 
Will you people quit my iPhone 7 plus got 6 hours on iOS 10 and it gets same on iOS 11
IOS 11 is almost perfect with some small bugs

On my X, i am finding frequent weird behavior -- hard to describe. Sometimes the entire screen goes this weird greyish color and swiping up for home fixes it. Then earlier today taking a pic from within messages the phone started having issues switching orientation and kept hoping back and forth unable to decide landscape vs portrait.

iOS 11 is not as problem free for me on the X as my 6 Plus was on 10.3.3. The battery life seems better or about same as the 6 Plus on 10.3.3 though.
 
Haven’t seen any weird behaviour on my X at all. Works well so far.
BTW, looks like over manufactures like the design as several leaks have shown phones (Android not other iPhones) looking almost exactly the same. Notch and rear vertical camera placement even. :p
 
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Will you people quit my iPhone 7 plus got 6 hours on iOS 10 and it gets same on iOS 11
IOS 11 is almost perfect with some small bugs

No, I want other readers here to be fully informed before they take their phones to iOS 11. I didn't update my 7+ till closer to Thanksgiving, after reading reports about the speed being the same, but I didn't see many complaints about battery.

PS: Standby times with iOS 11 seems about the same - if I don't touch the phone it will run for what seems like forever (2-3 days) without running out. But when actually using the phone on screen time, that's what drains it faster than before. Even my iPad mini 4 with a decent battery runs out with 20% less usage than on iOS 10.3.3.
 
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Moral story don't upgrade for a while to major new iOS. Heck don't upgrade more than one release post what came on your iPhone

Disagree. Which then allows To be vulnerible to Spectre and meltdown for those who don't want to upgrade to iOS 11 and remain on iOS 10. Is it worth the risk to be victimized by vulnerabilities of security flaws just because someone doesn't want to upgrade because of what they read on Tech forum? I don't think so.
 
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From my experience with OLED screens (previous Android user life with Samsung and HTC phones) OLED is a battery sucker. It is sold as battery efficient, at least back in the day it was, but I always found the LCD based phones had the better battery life experience overall. OLED is a fad that will never die unfortunately but I know others feel differently. More power to them. At least Apple is trying to improve the technology for its customers though.

I believe the idea behind OLED being battery efficient is because when it shows black it’s because it has turned that pixel off, so it’s not using any power, but if it’s showing a colour I think it may use more power then LCD?

Still don’t blame screens for power drains, everything has been improved in mobile devices bar battery tech.. we’ve had endless promises of this and that tech and nothing has been brought to market yet.. the iOS 11 battery drain will hopefully be fixed at some point too? Probably require you to upgrade to iOS 12 though and pray it has far far far less bugs!
 
The devices are really a personal choice. I have the X, coming from 7+ and previously the 6s. All of them are great devices but I chose the X over the 8+ because of the extra features like the OLED screen, Animoji and FaceID, but mainly I went with the X because it offered a larger screen size compared to my 7+, and in a relatively smaller overall device size. I’m happy with my choice, again it’s a matter of personal choice. Hope that helps.
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Why do you think the X has a bigger screen? There are several technical posts showing the 8+ has the bigger screen overall. I had a X for three months and recently sold it for a 8+ and couldn't be happier. Its all personal I know but coming from a 6+ and 7+, the X is definitely a step down. Yes, the screen is beautiful but so many apps not optimised and got sick of having to pinch videos to get full screen that ended up being cropped.
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Interesting post for me

I'm seriously considering a step back into iOS; the last iPhone I had was a 6S Plus (did have a 2 day dabble with a 7 Plus), but preferred Android and to stick with a Pixel XL

The Pixel XL died on me, so still have my trusty N6P, but have a Nexus 6 too, so I'm well covered for Android

Went through the Galaxy 8 Plus and Note 8; but can't cope with the crap that Samsung put onto their phones and the Edge screen did my nut in eventually...

I'm very interested in the 8 Plus and the X; my concern is I've slab like hands and the X appears that it'll be too small for my comfort...

Not bothered re Face ID or 'the best screen ever'; I use my phones for normal everyday stuff and don't watch movies or play games on them

I'd say the 8 Plus is going to eb the right phone for me, but don't get me wrong, the X is a stunning phone, just don't think it's for me!



Hey, as they always say. It depends. I moved from 7+ to X and recently to 8+. Don't get me wrong, the X is a fantastic device, but as a previous 6+ and 7+ user, the smaller screen takes some getting use to. It may be taller but everything is smaller (width) and I personally feel that iOS is just better optimised for the 7 and 8. If I had known what I know now, wouldn't have sold my 7 PLUS. The 8+ is nice but not worth the upgrade over the 7+. With the X, I found the FaceID frustrating as ride bikes (push/motor) a lot and having a fixed phone bracket is problematic. If I hadn't found a one month old 8+ for 30% off retail, would have got the 7+ again. Good luck in choice and my personal preferences aside, the 8, 8+ and X are all amazing devices.
 
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Why do you think the X has a bigger screen? There are several technical posts showing the 8+ has the bigger screen overall. I had a X for three months and recently sold it for a 8+ and couldn't be happier. Its all personal I know but coming from a 6+ and 7+, the X is definitely a step down. Yes, the screen is beautiful but so many apps not optimised and got sick of having to pinch videos to get full screen that ended up being cropped.
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Hey, as they always say. It depends. I moved from 7+ to X and recently to 8+. Don't get me wrong, the X is a fantastic device, but as a previous 6+ and 7+ user, the smaller screen takes some getting use to. It may be taller but everything is smaller (width) and I personally feel that iOS is just better optimised for the 7 and 8. If I had known what I know now, wouldn't have sold my 7 PLUS. The 8+ is nice but not worth the upgrade over the 7+. With the X, I found the FaceID frustrating as ride bikes (push/motor) a lot and having a fixed phone bracket is problematic. If I hadn't found a one month old 8+ for 30% off retail, would have got the 7+ again. Good luck in choice and my personal preferences aside, the 8, 8+ and X are all amazing devices.

Me too I chose the 8+ coming from the 6S+ # 1 reason is the size , I like the size hope Apple will continue to make the size and the from factor remember there are many elderly people using iPhones and for them to start using the X will be very hard or impossible I checked with some of them that bought the X coming from iPhone 5 its look like they having hard time and confused one said its challenging yes it does.
 
ive been a big pusher for the plus sizes now since they came out......but i have to admit im getting tired of lugging this thing around...
i love the size but carrying in the gym and on the motorcycle is not the best...im thinking about getting another X

i went from 7 plus to X to 8 plus.

i have a way out of the 8 plus so im seriously thinking about pulling the trigger today.
 
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ive been a big pusher for the plus sizes now since they came out......but i have to admit im getting tired of lugging this thing around...
i love the size but carrying in the gym and on the motorcycle is not the best...im thinking about getting another X

i went from 7 plus to X to 8 plus.

i have a way out of the 8 plus so im seriously thinking about pulling the trigger today.

it's OK I know few peoples that bought both, but you can just buy the 8 the size will do it too.
 
ive been a big pusher for the plus sizes now since they came out......but i have to admit im getting tired of lugging this thing around...
i love the size but carrying in the gym and on the motorcycle is not the best...im thinking about getting another X

i went from 7 plus to X to 8 plus.

i have a way out of the 8 plus so im seriously thinking about pulling the trigger today.
After using the X for a few weeks now I don't think I could ever go back to a home button having iPhone. The X is great and after a few days (if even that long) you get use to the gestures and faceID.

The form factor is fantastic as well. A 5.8" screen in whats almost the same physical size of an iPhone 6, 7, 8 = Win!
 
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After using the X for a few weeks now I don't think I could ever go back to a home button having iPhone. The X is great and after a few days (if even that long) you get use to the gestures and faceID.

The form factor is fantastic as well. A 5.8" screen in whats almost the same physical size of an iPhone 6, 7, 8 = Win![/QUOT

go tell it to my brother that I gave him my old 5S he is 60% blind and know how to use the phone call, Skype and wathsup only or to a 90 years old person that need to learn how to use it? you don't have some pity for them?
 
go tell it to my brother that I gave him my old 5S he is 60% blind and know how to use the phone call, Skype and wathsup only or to a 90 years old person that need to learn how to use it? you don't have some pity for them?

Did the person I was responding to mention either of these as a concern? Did I mention them?

You can continue to take what others say completely out of context if you'd like but it really makes no sense whatsoever to do so.

If you asked me --> Is the iPhone X a good phone for a blind person I would have said no it is not but thats not what the context of the conversation was about, was it?................
 
Did the person I was responding to mention either of these as a concern? Did I mention them?

You can continue to take what others say completely out of context if you'd like but it really makes no sense whatsoever to do so.

If you asked me --> Is the iPhone X a good phone for a blind person I would have said no it is not but thats not what the context of the conversation was about, was it?................

Sorry didn't mean to put you down, my point was that Apple should continue to stick to the old style in addition to run with the X style My apology
 
I just went through the same decision process myself. In the end, I chose the 8+.

Why? Because the X, while it claims to have a larger screen, it actually doesn't. It's tall and thin with the giant notch in the top. So when you are watching a movie, you lose that area with the notch, and most movies are encoded in a 16:9/10 aspect ratio, so the X's screen ends up cropping things or wasting space with that letterbox view. The notch is a waste of space. The X has a top bezel, they are simply putting part of the screen there to make it look like it doesn't. It's an optical illusion. They would have been better just having a tiny top bezel and putting the sensors there and maybe a notification bar. Instead they extended the screen there around the sensors making it look bezel-less, while wasting the parts of the screen that they put there. I would expect Jobs would have strangled whoever came to the meeting thinking that notch was a good idea.

The 8+, is wider and better for watching movies and viewing websites, less side to side scrolling because of the more common aspect ratio.

Second, was FaceID. It's slower, and when you are like me and half the time wearing a dirt bike or motorcycle helmet, faceID is useless. The fingerprint is faster and more versatile. Apple should just put it on the back like most Androids do, which would give them the edge to edge screen, without having to resort to FaceID and that ugly wasteful notch.

Third, price. Same CPU and internal specs, and the 256GB 8+ is $50 less than the 64GB X. That $50 you save buys a nice case, and gives you quadruple the storage.

The X looks good on paper and it's certainly pretty, but as far as "usable" screen size goes, its a smaller screen, the phone isn't any faster, it costs a lot more and so I went with the 8+.

The Pixel2 XL is my ideal phone, but Google dropped the ball putting a crappy LG screen on it, so of the other phones out there, I settled on the iPhone.

I have an Essential, brilliant hardware and materials that beats even the X, but they can't seem to squash the software bugs, ironic as it may be that the CEO and Founder is Andy Rubin, the guy that created Android... LOL Disappointing because of the premium specs and titanium and ceramic construction, coupled with the fact that it had a true edge to edge screen without a giant notch months before the X did...

Samsung, too bloated with carrier and Samsung crap and I hate curved edge screens... can't protect them properly and they are just begging to be dropped and cracked.

OnePlus 5T, amazing phone but AT&T won't recognize it officially and so no Wifi Calling, VoLTE and some other carrier functions...

So that left me with Apple this time around, and I went back and forth for weeks between the X and the 8+ and in the end, the 8+ was the clear winner for me. No notch, no useless face ID, bigger screen when it comes to actually using the phone, lots more storage and still cheaper without sacrificing any performance.

The only true advantage I can see the X as having, is a couple camera tweaks... but the 8+ has such a good camera, that most people couldn't spot the differences if you didn't have them side by side with someone pointing them out.
 
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After using the X for a few weeks now I don't think I could ever go back to a home button having iPhone. The X is great and after a few days (if even that long) you get use to the gestures and faceID.

The form factor is fantastic as well. A 5.8" screen in whats almost the same physical size of an iPhone 6, 7, 8 = Win!

i had the X for a full 14days from launch...took it back on the 14th day....
i could not get used to the size of the actual phone...so i got the plus again...but now after a few months im kinda tired of lugging this thing around...its a PITA sometimes.
 
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