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Oliveira46

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Timing how fast opens comparable to another phone doesn’t test the phones performance. The developer programmed those apps differently and they could take longer to open on one OS vs another. Real world usage is a good test, and like I said, my Note 8 kills my iPhone 7 plus easily in all the tasks I ask of it.

That's not a fact, that's a claim you are making. Everybody's real world usage is different, so you can't put things that way.

Developers don't program apps to open longer, they program apps to open ASAP, then it's up to the phone's hardware
 

mib1800

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Check the CPU usage/load profile and you will find that less the 10% of time the CPU is at full load during typical normal use. So throwing a faster CPU doesnt improve anything since most of tasks you do didnt even come close to taxing the CPU.

CPU is not the bottleneck. Other components like data read write / network or wifi speed / number of concurrent processes running are probably the deciding factors determining the response time during normal time.

Benchmarks are not really relevant and debating which has faster benchmark results is just much-ado-about-nothing. It is like finding out whether a i3 or i5 or i7 processor runs Excel faster.
 
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Oliveira46

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Umm yes. It’s a known fact that iOS has more app crashes than Android. We have 3 other iPhones in our house, and all I hear daily “my app crashed again”.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/ios-and-android-reliability,news-23872.html

YOu have exact same articles proving otherwise... so what's your point?
http://wccftech.com/android-nougat-crashes-ios-10-25-times-network-crashes/
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Sure buddy, sure. I guess myself and the thousands here with iPhones have crashes everyday we are just too oblivious to notice them.

You are wrong because his Note 8 "kills" the iphone everyday... lol
 

Oliveira46

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Just how everything works together in harmony. Not just opening the apps but using them. A lot of times I had apps freeze on me in iOS for no reason and I either had to wait a while or force it closed. Just earlier today helping my mom post a picture on fb her damn post froze her iPhone for a bit. She was just editing the text and it stopped responding. It seemed to be related to the picture attachment. But either way it seems to happen often. I've yet to see that on my note 8. It's fast everywhere.

YOUR personal experience is irrelevant, because it might aswell be fake so that you prove your point.

Hey folks, i have an iphone 1 form 2007 and is super snappy!!! hey, just bought a note 9, and it's lagging the in calculator app really bad!!! Android sucks big time... arrrgh.....

Keep your personal BS for yourself, show us facts, not fiction.
 

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That's not a fact, that's a claim you are making. Everybody's real world usage is different, so you can't put things that way.

Developers don't program apps to open longer, they program apps to open ASAP, then it's up to the phone's hardware

The Apps are programmed differently. They don’t program them to open longer. It’s a different O/S and apps act differently on different O/S’s. That is a fact.
 
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Oliveira46

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The Apps are programmed differently. They don’t program them to open longer. It’s a different O/S and apps act differently on different O/S’s. That is a fact.

Of course they are, but in the end on speed tests seems that the iphone Software/hardware combo seems to pull it's weight better than the Androids, especially on heavy apps.

What's your point that invalidates iphone's superior speed?

Iphones have faster processors, faster NAND storage, and a more optimized OS... It only makes sense that they happen to be quicker... (except in your day to day where your note 8 "kills" the iphone, whatever that means...)
 

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Yankee512

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YOUR personal experience is irrelevant, because it might aswell be fake so that you prove your point.

Hey folks, i have an iphone 1 form 2007 and is super snappy!!! hey, just bought a note 9, and it's lagging the in calculator app really bad!!! Android sucks big time... arrrgh.....

Keep your personal BS for yourself, show us facts, not fiction.

Because your opinion doesn’t agree makes it wrong? Lol! Ok buddy.
 

Yankee512

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Of course they are, but in the end on speed tests seems that the iphone Software/hardware combo seems to pull it's weight better than the Androids, especially on heavy apps.

What's your point that invalidates iphone's superior speed?

Iphones have faster processors, faster NAND storage, and a more optimized OS... It only makes sense that they happen to be quicker... (except in your day to day where your note 8 "kills" the iphone, whatever that means...)

If you look at the other topic iPhone 8 vs Note 8, you will see I am not alone.

Again, I own both, and can compare it. You do not.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-or-note-8.2063073/
 
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cyb3rdud3

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That is fine, but I know which is faster since I have owned both and you haven’t.
As I said - for your particular use case that may be...doesn't mean it is for everyone like that...
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Ive had not one single crash on my Note 8 since using it compared to my iPhone which I had several apps shut down on me a week. You are full of non-sense.

Anyone with a brain knows the Note 8 is a beast.
Undoubtedly the Note 8 is very good, but surely you'll appreciate that it isn't for everyone. If you have several apps shut down on you then why not list what those apps are and provide the debug logs?

In my personal experience I can't remember the last application that shut down on me, but as per usual when developing applications there could be many conditions and reasons why such an event happens. Personally I'd be more concerned regarding operating system elements shutting down on me, battery draining, or lack of integration, opposed to individual applications crashing...
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Timing how fast opens comparable to another phone doesn’t test the phones performance. The developer programmed those apps differently and they could take longer to open on one OS vs another. Real world usage is a good test, and like I said, my Note 8 kills my iPhone 7 plus easily in all the tasks I ask of it.


The Apps are programmed differently. They don’t program them to open longer. It’s a different O/S and apps act differently on different O/S’s. That is a fact.

Right so because it is a different operating system it is not a case that it is slower, it is a case that it is different...Right, so that is the fact....Slower doesn't mean its slow, it means its different but then to mean its faster...

Flipping heck bud, those are some amazing shifting goal posts...
 

DNichter

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Curious to see the 8 Plus vs the X benchmarks. With the same A11/M11 and 3gb of ram but fewer pixels and less tech in face ID to process, my hunch is the 8 Plus may score better and run smoother.

X runs at the native resolution though. Plus needs to be scaled. Probably comes out even in the end.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Your opinion. But that report is fact by a legitimate source that Apps on iOS crash more than Android.
Did you actually fully read that link that you provided your assertion or did you stick to the headline?

I especially found the part where although Pokemon on iOS crashes the most, on Android it was operating system crashes itself fascinating.

You were saying?
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Oh goody a paper based spec comparison. Blimey are you really that insecure about your purchases you have to use this as your justification?
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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I've had iPhones and Android phones for damn near a decade. With my 7+, I still experience app crashes. Mainly it's just "poof" and back to the homescreen. Doesn't happen often, but happens at the worst times.

I haven't experienced an app crash on Android since Lollipop. But Marshmallow would occasionally have micro stutters and lag, depending on the device.

With Nougat I haven't had any issues yet on any device. Even on my budget Android devices, I don't experience nothing but smoothness. Of course budget devices load everything slower based on specs. But still, no issues on Nougat.

Now my latest device, the Note 8. Nougat matched with an extremely improved Touchwiz(or whatever it's called now), runs extremely fast and stable. And don't say wait several months, because the S8+ performed nearly as well for me.

The days of Android and Samsung not being great performers are over. That's why this benchmark means very little to most. Although, it's an impressive benchmark.

I'm personally going to use my T-mobile JOD on one of my lines to pre-order the iPhone X based on curiosity of some of the features. But if the monthly payment is over $40, I'll be swapping it out in a couple of months for something cheaper.
 
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sdz

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Who the hell needs that kind of performance. In my opinion this is the reason to get 14 year old kids to "engineer" software that just "runs" well on the most recent hardware.

No diploma, no engineer! Basta!
 

bchreng

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Check the CPU usage/load profile and you will find that less the 10% of time the CPU is at full load during typical normal use. So throwing a faster CPU doesnt improve anything since most of tasks you do didnt even come close to taxing the CPU.

CPU is not the bottleneck. Other components like data read write / network or wifi speed / number of concurrent processes running are probably the deciding factors determining the response time during normal time.

Benchmarks are not really relevant and debating which has faster benchmark results is just much-ado-about-nothing. It is like finding out whether a i3 or i5 or i7 processor runs Excel faster.

Depends on what people use it for. While it probably isn't going to make much of a difference for Excel, it might be significant when it comes to AR apps and games and whatnot.
 
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nickchallis92

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What's the point in having all that power on an OS that won't let apps run in the background?

On iOS, you open something as simple as Whatsapp and it still has to connect everytime. I've never seen Android need to that so even if an Android phone has less power, there is less waiting about.
 

cyb3rdud3

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What's the point in having all that power on an OS that won't let apps run in the background?

On iOS, you open something as simple as Whatsapp and it still has to connect everytime. I've never seen Android need to that so even if an Android phone has less power, there is less waiting about.
Really? When was the last time you used iOS?
 
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