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Were there major modifications to our understandings and techniques involved in measuring screen characteristics and performance (colour accuracy, viewing angle etc) since s8?

There isn't. So what was said about the S8 performance measurements still applies now.

Yes it was the best in March 2017, last I checked it is November 2017 and displaymate and toms hardware are in agreement iPhone X has the best display in the market.

Get over it.
 

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The thing is, they are very similar spec wise. While the S8+ has more resolution native (2960x1440 vs 2436x1125 for the iPhone x). However the S8+ displays by default less pixels to preserve battery (2220x1080).
This also changes the PPI (Pixels Per Inch, this spec is more important).
S8 promotes 570 PPI, but has 425 PPI
S8+ promotes 529 PPI but has 398 PPI
iPhone X promotes 458 PPI, and has it. The Samsung phones resolution can be changed in the settings though. But it’ll cost you battery. And, in phones above 350 PPI it doesn’t really matter.

You gotta laugh at this.

Never had my S8 display set below 2960x1440. Hows my phone screen at 425PPI? No problems with battery life, I take my phone of charger at 7AM and put it back on the charger before bed.

On the other side how to lower PPI on the X to save battery? Oh yeah, you don't have the choice.
 

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Were there major modifications to our understandings and techniques involved in measuring screen characteristics and performance (colour accuracy, viewing angle etc) since s8?

There isn't. So what was said about the S8 performance measurements still applies now.

They still stand, but now the Iphone X according to Displaymate is better. I'm sure when the S9 comes out it'll have a great display, but for now they've rated the X better than the Note. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If the S9 is tested to be even better than the Iphone X, it won't negate the review now, just that something better was released since then.

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Yes it was the best in March 2017, last I checked it is November 2017 and displaymate and toms hardware are in agreement iPhone X has the best display in the market.

Get over it.

I don't understand why they cannot accept this information, when Displaymate posts screen reviews on other devices it's posted here just as quick, if not quicker, to show the superiority of certain devices.
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Well, X , S8 and note 8 all got A+ rating from display mate. Are your saying A+ given iphone X is somehow snobbishly better than A+ given to others?

Who is grasping straw here? :p

Displaymate has said that the iphone X screen is better. Why is this hard to understand?
 
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You gotta laugh at this.

Never had my S8 display set below 2960x1440. Hows my phone screen at 425PPI? No problems with battery life, I take my phone of charger at 7AM and put it back on the charger before bed.

On the other side how to lower PPI on the X to save battery? Oh yeah, you don't have the choice.
Same here :)

One of the 1st things I do when I get the phone me is go straight to Display settings, set the Resolution to 2K, set Font size to Tiny and Screen Zoom to Small, to fit as much content in the display as possible.

Anything less than 2K looks crap to me.

GSMArena did do a battery test with the S7 when this resolution setting was first introduced, and they found that using the phone in 1080P vs. 2K had a puny effect on battery, I think the difference was like 10mins extra in 1080P,. LOL!

People seem to conveniently forget we had 2K as the only setting in the Note 4 and Note5 and had great battery life there to.
 
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They still stand, but now the Iphone X according to Displaymate is better. I'm sure when the S9 comes out it'll have a great display, but for now they've rated the X better than the Note. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If the S9 is tested to be even better than the Iphone X, it won't negate the review now, just that something better was released since then.

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I don't understand why they cannot accept this information, when Displaymate posts screen reviews on other devices it's posted here just as quick, if not quicker, to show the superiority of certain devices.
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Displaymate has said that the iphone X screen is better. Why is this hard to understand?

I don’t know. It’s a sad display for sure when you just can’t accept hard facts.
But your right displaymate was above reproach almost Jesus like, until they reviewed the iPhone X.
Now the same posters are calling it a jumbled mess of a website. Smh
 
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Same here :)

One of the 1st things I do when I get the phone me is go straight to Display settings, set the Resolution to 2K, set Font size to Tiny and Screen Zoom to Small, to fit as much content in the display as possible.

Anything less than 2K looks crap to me.

GSMArena did do a battery test with the S7 when this resolution setting was first introduced, and they found that using the phone in 1080P vs. 2K had a puny effect on battery, I think the difference was like 10mins extra in 1080P,. LOL!

People seem to conveniently forget we had 2K as the only setting in the Note 4 and Note5 and had great battery life there to.

So out of the box they come with a lower resolution enabled.
That’s weird.
 

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They still stand, but now the Iphone X according to Displaymate is better. I'm sure when the S9 comes out it'll have a great display, but for now they've rated the X better than the Note. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If the S9 is tested to be even better than the Iphone X, it won't negate the review now, just that something better was released since then.

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I don't understand why they cannot accept this information, when Displaymate posts screen reviews on other devices it's posted here just as quick, if not quicker, to show the superiority of certain devices.
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Displaymate has said that the iphone X screen is better. Why is this hard to understand?
Better is subjective, no matter which display is being rated.

iPhone X:

Brighter:yes.
More Accurate: yes.

But,

Definitely smaller: yes.
Noticeably notched: yes.

I prefer a larger screen and no notch.And my eyes have always preferred greater saturation and a screen that is blueish, not yellowish, even if I know that yellow is more accurate. But that is only my preference and others prefer differently. They’re both great phones and great displays.
 

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Wow it seems the iPhone X has a very easily scratched screen.....
Lots of people started whole threads in the iphone section complaining about how easy it scratches.
First blue and yellow displays...then ghosting and image retention....now the display scratches so easy....its a shame.....
 

koigirl

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Well I have a lot of unfortunate scratches on my Note 8 as well and I have no idea how they got there. I think I have my diamond ring, sand particles, and highly drop-proof but scratch-prone Gorilla Glass 5 to blame. Waiting on my Whitestone Dome screen protector to arrive so I can cover them up. Hopefully I won’t screw up the complicated install.
 

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Wow it seems the iPhone X has a very easily scratched screen.....
Lots of people started whole threads in the iphone section complaining about how easy it scratches.
First blue and yellow displays...then ghosting and image retention....now the display scratches so easy....its a shame.....

I don’t see how it would be worse than other screens using gorilla glass, it’s the same glass. I don’t have any scratches yet on mine (knock on wood), but I do have a small fairly deep scratch on the back glass though.

It’s all a crap shoot though, my wife already cracked the screen on our Note 8, and it was in an otter box defender at the time of the drop. Same thing with my S7 Edge, that is the only time I have ever cracked a screen myself. But on my regular S7 which I’ve had over a year, has almost no scratches.
 
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I don’t see how it would be worse than other screens using gorilla glass, it’s the same glass. I don’t have any scratches yet on mine (knock on wood), but I do have a small fairly deep scratch on the back glass though.

It’s all a crap shoot though, my wife already cracked the screen on our Note 8, and it was in an otter box defender at the time of the drop. Same thing with my S7 Edge, that is the only time I have ever cracked a screen myself. But on my regular S7 which I’ve had over a year, has almost no scratches.

Yeah—JerryRigEverything did his usual thing and the X scratched as expected at lvl 6 hardness, same as everyone else. I read through the first 3 threads regarding scratches and am skeptical of all 3.

One guy had some serious scratches that clearly didn’t just appear out of nowhere as he stated.

The next was regarding the micro scratches on stainless steel frame. Guess what, you’re going to get micro scratches there—same thing happened on my SS Apple Watch. The beauty of SS though is those can be buffed/polished off with little effort.

The third thread was by a poster who has admitted to returning dozens of iPads for every little thing you can think off—DOZENS! Not surprisingly, he said these scratches don’t show up on the photos taken using his other phone. :rolleyes:

No phone is impervious and I don’t doubt people have iPhones with issues. However, every iPhone release we have never ending threads detailing supposed issues, flaws, defects, etc. Remember, most people living in these forums are far more obsessed with their tech than the average joe and many are just like the prolific iPad returner who won’t be satisfied until it’s perfect—something that those users will never achieve. And we’re also taking about a really tiny portion of all iPhone consumers posting on these forums.

When an issue moves off the MR forums to more mainstream media sources because it’s affecting a truly significant number of customers, I’ll take it more seriously.
 

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They still stand, but now the Iphone X according to Displaymate is better. I'm sure when the S9 comes out it'll have a great display, but for now they've rated the X better than the Note. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If the S9 is tested to be even better than the Iphone X, it won't negate the review now, just that something better was released since then.

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I don't understand why they cannot accept this information, when Displaymate posts screen reviews on other devices it's posted here just as quick, if not quicker, to show the superiority of certain devices.
[doublepost=1510171544][/doublepost]

Displaymate has said that the iphone X screen is better. Why is this hard to understand?

iPhone X has the so-called best 5.8 inch (or 4.7 inches for 16:9 cropped video and partial display usage) mobile OLED screen in the world while the Note 8 has the best 6.3 inch mobile OLED display in the world (with full display usage). Debate is over.......you compare your iphone X to the S8 since they are both 5.8 inches because you don't know what will have happened if that screen size increased and color measurements etc. had to change for the larger display. :D Plus, the built in digitizer under the note 8 display makes it even more advanced. Prefer that over some 3D touch gimmick.

P.S. that 3K resolution on the S8 and Note 8 trumps a 1125p screen for many of the higher quality video formats. Displaymate should enjoy that nice Apple paycheck for that messy looking site...spend some of those dollars on a refreshed website in the modern age.
 
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iPhone X has the so-called best 5.8 inch (or 4.7 inches for 16:9 cropped video and partial display usage) mobile OLED screen in the world while the Note 8 has the best 6.3 inch mobile OLED display in the world (with full display usage). Debate is over.......you compare your iphone X to the S8 since they are both 5.8 inches because you don't know what will have happened if that screen size increased and color measurements etc. had to change for the larger display. :D Plus, the built in digitizer under the note 8 display makes it even more advanced. Prefer that over some 3D touch gimmick.

P.S. that 3K resolution on the S8 and Note 8 trumps a 1125p screen for many of the higher quality video formats. Displaymate should enjoy that nice Apple paycheck for that messy looking site...spend some of those dollars on a refreshed website in the modern age.
The cropped 16:9 on the iPhone X is more like 5.1" not 4.7". Here is my iPhone X and iPhone 7 playing the same 16:9 video, you can see the X is easily bigger.
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There’s always a contingent of “the sky is falling types” with every major release.

Remember this one:
http://bgr.com/2017/04/19/galaxy-s8-red-tint-screen-issue/

Widely reported, lots of YouTube vids and click bait commentary which ultimately was much ado about nothing.
I wish it were much ado about nothing. I have one of the afflicted displays and thankfully the software fix worked, but it means I can only run on the Adaptive mode, which is the over saturated mode I like the least. Samsung actually does a really nice more accurate mode I wish I could run, but then the pink tint creeps back in on the edges like a pink foggy picture frame.

Notch vs. edges....I would take the Notch as less distracting I think. My beef with the S8+ is that all the curves on it make it hard to avoid reflections. If I want to watch a video in an environment that’s not perfectly dark, I need to use my iPhone 7 Plus. Flat is just better, for me at least. The notch is only on one edge and in my limited use of my husband’s phone, actually isn’t that bad.

@jamezr my S8+ got a scratch on it the first time I ventured out with the regular case instead of the folio case. My iPhone 7 Plus doesn’t have any screen protector on and has yet to have a scratch despite harsh treatment when I’m working at landscaping. Now that IPhone x is using Samsung displays I’m not surprised to hear of scratching. I think it’s mostly the oleophobic coating. That’s where my S8+ scratch really resides. I don’t think it’s actually any deeper than that. The glass itself, as was pointed out, rates well and where it should on the Jerry Rig Everything scratch tests. Scratching was a big complaint on the Note 7, too. There was about to be a big scratch gate about it but that was quickly eclipsed and forgotten due to the exploding battery issue.

As for the actual colors and sharpness and all that, both are great displays made by Samsung. Barring extraneous distractions like notches and edges and other design choices, they both are a treat to the eyes. People are going to go with the one that best does what they need it to do. Some will need an Android. Some will need iOS. Some don’t care and will pick the one that fits their budget or they think is more attractive overall. It’s hard to judge between two phones on the basis of their displays alone, when the quality is this high on both. My husband got one of the perfect X displays and it’s a real stunner. He got equally lucky with his S8+ display. His Pixel 2 XL display was nice, too, but the blue shift was very in your face.
 
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iPhone X has the so-called best 5.8 inch (or 4.7 inches for 16:9 cropped video and partial display usage) mobile OLED screen in the world while the Note 8 has the best 6.3 inch mobile OLED display in the world (with full display usage). Debate is over.......you compare your iphone X to the S8 since they are both 5.8 inches because you don't know what will have happened if that screen size increased and color measurements etc. had to change for the larger display. Plus, the built in digitizer under the note 8 display makes it even more advanced. Prefer that over some 3D touch gimmick.

P.S. that 3K resolution on the S8 and Note 8 trumps a 1125p screen for many of the higher quality video formats. Displaymate should enjoy that nice Apple paycheck for that messy looking site...spend some of those dollars on a refreshed website in the modern age.

Ok. Displaymate has said the screen on the iPhone X is better than the screen on the note 8, size didn't matter. I'm sure the s9 will have a great screen too but for now displaymate has said the iPhone x is the best.

Geez are people this diehard to not accept something from the very source they touted while the note 8 was formerly the best screen rated by displaymate? Lol
 

Truefan31

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Wow it seems the iPhone X has a very easily scratched screen.....
Lots of people started whole threads in the iphone section complaining about how easy it scratches.
First blue and yellow displays...then ghosting and image retention....now the display scratches so easy....its a shame.....

Don't they all use the gorilla glass? So they all scratch the same....
 

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The cropped 16:9 on the iPhone X is more like 5.1" not 4.7". Here is my iPhone X and iPhone 7 playing the same 16:9 video, you can see the X is easily bigger.
1664d0baec29c7d780045c4d843f0aee.jpg
To be exact it is 5.15 inches.

S8 or note8 would be much smaller than what hey advertise as well playing 16:9 content

Edit: a quick calc: note 8 is approx 5.6 inched playing 16:9 content
 

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Ok. Displaymate has said the screen on the iPhone X is better than the screen on the note 8, size didn't matter. I'm sure the s9 will have a great screen too but for now displaymate has said the iPhone x is the best.

Geez are people this diehard to not accept something from the very source they touted while the note 8 was formerly the best screen rated by displaymate? Lol

Hahaha tell me about it. All of a sudden display mate is a mess.
You can clearly see which phone has the brighter screen.

41a386d000d7f7758ae6e85ac5f6b364.jpg
 
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Hahaha tell me about it. All of a sudden display mate is a mess.
You can clearly see which phone has the brighter screen.

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Yeah it was obvious to me that the X had the brightest screen in that video.

I trust displaymate, if Raymond says the screens on the X are better, then they are better.

At the end of the day, who really cares?
Note 8, S8, iPhone X all have incredible screens.

I really don't think the S9 or Note 9 screens are necessarily guaranteed to eclipse the Apple calibrated Samsung screen either, Apple obviously take calibration to extreme levels.

That said, I don't care, I've always been attracted to Samsung's take on what an amoled screen should look like, I consume content, I don't require perfect colour spaces, I'm not creating content that needs to meet near perfect criteria.
Would I like it to match or exceed the X's brightness?

Hell yeah.

Apart from that and a higher doing for VR maybe, there's nothing more I need from my screen.

Enjoy these devices people, we are so lucky to have such a wide choice of amazing devices.
 
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Hahaha tell me about it. All of a sudden display mate is a mess.
You can clearly see which phone has the brighter screen.

41a386d000d7f7758ae6e85ac5f6b364.jpg


The iphone x looks pretty bright, about 634 nits bright. The note 8 too looks bright at 560 nits.
 

Tsepz

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Yeah it was obvious to me that the X had the brightest screen in that video.

I trust displaymate, if Raymond says the screens on the X are better, then they are better.

At the end of the day, who really cares?
Note 8, S8, iPhone X all have incredible screens.

I really don't think the S9 or Note 9 screens are necessarily guaranteed to eclipse the Apple calibrated Samsung screen either, Apple obviously take calibration to extreme levels.

That said, I don't care, I've always been attracted to Samsung's take on what an amoled screen should look like, I consume content, I don't require perfect colour spaces, I'm not creating content that needs to meet near perfect criteria.
Would I like it to match or exceed the X's brightness?

Hell yeah.

Apart from that and a higher doing for VR maybe, there's nothing more I need from my screen.

Enjoy these devices people, we are so lucky to have such a wide choice of amazing devices.
This is all a pointless argument as it's mainly due to calibration which can be adjusted to what suits us in the Samsung's, and the X panel is a Samsung panel.

Why have we even bothered to go this far when people with the X are fighting to remove that stupid notch and give their phone a large forehead anyway it's a asymmetrical mess, let's hope for their sake Apple find a better way to integrate the FaceID hardware without ruining the display in iPhone 9 or whatever they call it.
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I don't know man, people seem to like the notch.
I wouldn't purchase a device and then moan about an obvious design cue and try and get it changed.

I think the notch is hideous, ruins a near perfect device, but that's just my opinion.
I can see why they did it but I wouldn't want to see it on my phone so I'll pass if there's an option to pass.

I don't mind curved screens and lots of people think curved screens are hideous too.
That said, I don't mind 2.5D or flat screens either.

Apple will sell so many of these, more than all other flagships combined maybe.
Other manufacturers will probably jump on board as a result, I'm hoping we see the total or near total demise of any bezel, I haven't broken a phone yet, so I'm not too worried about the fragility of such a design.
 
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I don't know man, people seem to like the notch.
I wouldn't purchase a device and then moan about an obvious design cue and try and get it changed.

I think the notch is hideous, ruins a near perfect device, but that's just my opinion.
I can see why they did it but I wouldn't want to see it on my phone so I'll pass if there's an option to pass.

I don't mind curved screens and lots of people think curved screens are hideous too.
That said, I don't mind 2.5D or flat screens either.

Apple will sell so many of these, more than all other flagships combined maybe.
Other manufacturers will probably jump on board as a result, I'm hoping we see the total or near total demise of any bezel, I haven't broken a phone yet, so I'm not too worried about the fragility of such a design.
As the Palm Rejection tech gets better I do believe we will see bezels definitely gone soon enough.

I doubt most OEMs will do the notch, it's stupid and hideous, people are just living with it on the X as it's something different from Apple.
The smaller Chinese OEMs who build fake phones may do the notch, as we've seen with the fake iPhone.

We may actually see more curved displays with either 2.5 glass andvfully curved like Samsungs OR a setup like Xiaomi Mi Mix.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I don't know man, people seem to like the notch.
I wouldn't purchase a device and then moan about an obvious design cue and try and get it changed.

And the same people that swore Touch ID is the absolute best and most convenient, are now some of the same ones with the iPhone X that claim Touch ID is not so convenient. Since they only have Face ID now, they have to justify the loss of Touch ID.

I know the notch is at least slightly annoying for all users, regardless of what they state. How can it not be an annoyance when it covers a portion of full screen videos and games in landscape?
 
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