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Is the new Mac Pro a Failure for traditional Mac Creative and Professional customers


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Yep, the level of condescension grows in this thread.

Firstly, I don't think putting off pro-sumers as "geeks" or any other sort of disparaging language like that helps anyone. It wasn't that many years ago, in my lifetime, when that was the main segment that gave birth to the PC industry.

Secondly, when was the definition of a "Pro" exclusive to people edit video for a living?


So only independents are pro now too? This definition keeps changing to suit whatever argument is being made.
 
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In the end I think the nMP is the better consumer PC than a Pro PC.

Though it´s a masterpiece of engineering it has some characteristics certain professionals don´t care about but others had been given up certain professionals care about a lot.

So the dispute is a bit senseless. It all depends on the user´s needs and as those differ there is no such thing like a "perfect Pro for all".

The very best virtues don´t matter for a person that does not appreciate them.
 
I think when they priced it they knew full well what kind of customers (and what kind of revenue) they were aiming at.

Which has always been a consideration for all products. Overall, while I wasn't thrilled with the nMP's starting price increasing by $500 (starting price of $3K vs $2.5K), my bigger concern was the total system cost, which didn't grow by a $500 but by ~$2000 (per seat) over its predecessor.

EDIT: to clarify this, I don't mean that I'm opposed to spending more to get more ... what I do mean is that I'm opposed to spending $2000 more to only get $500 worth of more.

For most people an iMac or MacBook, *these days*, is more than enough. An iMac in 2015 is a very powerful computer that can fulfill many people's needs. Earlier this year I worked on a movie which was entirely edited on a 5K iMac and FCPX

Yes, which is a case of a rising tide (technological progress of hardware performance) doing an increasingly good job at lifting "all" boats (use cases), including that stuff which a decade ago clearly could never have been satisfied with a laptop or iMac. And the ramifications of this are that the customer market for the Mac Pro is shrinking.

The market for a "Pro" machine is not the same as it was 10 years ago.

Of course it isn't.

But by the same token, the market hasn't gone completely away. The challenge and question is to what degree the market can afford to buy the stuff, particularly as its design choices make it much more of a narrow niche product than its predecessor.

As I've already mentioned, storage which now has to be externalized on a Thunderbolt isn't as cheap per TB than what the cMP form factor allowed as its lifecycle cost baseline (benchmark)...that's unambiguously nothing less than a regression in bang for the buck for those workflows which need to employ that particular feature/attribute, and that higher net price will very predictably result in an additional contraction of customer demand.

FWIW, don't assume that I've never reviewed and crosswalked using an iMac as another hardware option. While it did have promise, and could have been made to do the job, it wasn't a great fit and its configurability constraints resulted in the cMP still being less expensive ... even before lifecycle cost considerations (which the cMP excelled at) were factored in.

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I just think they are a little bit pricey considering the old hardware.

i know you're not, but the same could be argued for the nMP, currently.

I don't know a single pro putting an hacked video card in a mission critical computer. Not a single one.
On this forum people are confusing tech geeks with professionals....
I can say the Mac Pro 6,1 isn't for tech geeks. It still is for professionals.

maybe you're definition of "professionals" is too narrow and that's why you don't know any "pros" using hacked hardware. nice to meet you. flashed my 4,1 to 5,1 for a better processor and my 680GTX and without my Mac Pro i wouldn't be making anything from freelance work. that machine seems pretty critical to my mission (which is gettin paid). You (and a few others) seem to think "pro" is some ultra-super-elite group that demand the biggest and best. i'm not a ultra-super-elite pro, just a regular pro in that i use my mac as a tool for my profession. also, the Mac Pro is for anyone who wants to buy it, pro or not.


I know there are real workstation user here, and you probably are one of them. My point is most, and by far, of the users here are just tech geeks, looking for a gaming machine. Nothing wrong with that, but they aren't the right people to judge a workstation.

says the guy with this signature:
Mac Mini - Macbook Pro 13" - MacBook Air 11"
Nexus 7 - 32Gb
iPhone 6 64Gb
- iPhone 5S 16Gb - iPad Air 16Gb
Nokia Lumia 1520 - 32Gb


defining pros (and even workstations to this extent) so narrowly and dismissing any resourceful ones that use hacks is ignorant of anyone and calling others out for participating in this discussion for not owning a nMP is highly hypocritical of you.
 
Yes, which is a case of a rising tide (technological progress of hardware performance) doing an increasingly good job at lifting "all" boats (use cases), including that stuff which a decade ago clearly could never have been satisfied with a laptop or iMac. And the ramifications of this are that the customer market for the Mac Pro is shrinking.

One thing that should be pointed out is that while we’re on this inevitable march towards increasing performance so too is data size and complexity marching forward.

Now one might be marching faster than the other, causing the market to still shrink, but I don’t think its actually shrunk THAT much. I think what we’ve seen more of than Mac Pro users downgrading to iMacs, is the workstation with OS X market has simply moved to windows or linux platforms. Other’s still may have gone to the cloud.

A good OS X workstation would grab back folks moving to windows/linux workstations and cloud. And since Apple is still ultimately selling a machine to those downgrading to the iMac, I don’t think they have any reason to try to make a Mac Pro for them.
 
Maybe this thread wasn't really about "failure of nMP," but instead if people are afraid to move on from the machines made in previous era...to the new generation of machines...regardless of the spec..and gpu and all that.

I think most folks go with what is A) possible given today’s software and B) cost effective. I’m not afraid of moving to a new type of machine so long as it can be shown that it satisfies both A and B above. There is no sense in moving to a machine with two GPUs if my software doesn’t support it and it cost more than machine that would get the work done faster....
 
I think most folks go with what is A) possible given today’s software and B) cost effective. I’m not afraid of moving to a new type of machine so long as it can be shown that it satisfies both A and B above. There is no sense in moving to a machine with two GPUs if my software doesn’t support it and it cost more than machine that would get the work done faster....
I would definitely agree with you. Softwares you use will determine what you will be needing. Cost effective is also part of the factor. If A is met and B isn't, would you still jump for it? However, if they the software companies won't move forward for whatever reason(s), you might be stuck with whatever you are using.... Who knows... Forever? There is a point we will be needing to move forward either way.
 
I would definitely agree with you. Softwares you use will determine what you will be needing. Cost effective is also part of the factor. If A is met and B isn't, would you still jump for it?

It would depend on how much extra I’m willing to pay to use something a little nicer, OS X, over something less nice, Ubuntu.

However, if they the software companies won't move forward for whatever reason(s), you might be stuck with whatever you are using.... Who knows... Forever? There is a point we will be needing to move forward either way.

And they will catch up eventually. Things are slowly moving toward the GPGPU that the nMP is designed for, but in some areas it just happens to be really SLOW. And that can be for good reason (like needing a couple GB of ram for a single process). So in some ways, if the hardware really makes some big leaps in the coming years (say GPUs with 100s of GBs of RAM via 3D Xpoint or something, that would help this movement away from duel CPU machines by making the software transition easier.
 
It would depend on how much extra I’m willing to pay to use something a little nicer, OS X, over something less nice, Ubuntu.
Exactly. So what would be the criteria to put that money down for nicer one? Software? I mean if they will move on to adapt with current technology that is provided at this time. OR something else that i may have not mentioned.


And they will catch up eventually. Things are slowly moving toward the GPGPU that the nMP is designed for, but in some areas it just happens to be really SLOW. And that can be for good reason (like needing a couple GB of ram for a single process). So in some ways, if the hardware really makes some big leaps in the coming years (say GPUs with 100s of GBs of RAM via 3D Xpoint or something, that would help this movement away from duel CPU machines by making the software transition easier.
Exactly. They will eventually...meaning...they won't be stuck at one point for forever. And yes...it will go slow for certain people.

At the end of the day though...i believe these sub-factors are part of the fear category. of course..that's just my belief...And of course i may be wrong.
 
Despite being a massive Apple fan, from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction - the "iBin" Mac Pro was everything the core target market of Mac Pro's never wanted from workstation:

- we asked for more internal storage, instead Apple gave us, literally, no internal storage options bar small primary drive.
- we asked for faster, newer, stronger CUDA cards, instead Apple made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. And I'm sorry but OpenCL is just a joke in comparison.
- we asked for better onboard audio, instead they moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, why not.
- we asked for lower entry price point, wider CPU scalability for cluster machines. Instead they made sure nMP was twice more expensive, and narrowed the options to single CPU
- we asked for more PCIe slots and buses for all of our raids, capture cards and controller boards, instead they proposed that we throw away all of the cards and arrays we invested in over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, with external chains of devices on £30 cables.
- we asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, so we can upgrade things every few years, instead they made sure all internals were as proprietary as possible.
- we asked to redesign the new MP better, so it mounts into racks, simply so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. Instead Apple made sure we'll never have them under our desks, we can never stack them up, and it will be next to impossible to take them on the road without ratchet straps. Plus from now on everything that usually was inside will now be dangling off it on cables.

And the list goes on forever.

So yes, from technology point of view - the nMP is pretty and it's a marvel of design. But in the same time - who is the "Pro" in Mac Pro? Who is the target customer? Who is this mythical processor power hungry, number crunching end user that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not sound engineer, not special effects guy. Who are these aesthetics conscious Brabantia collectors with need for neat, shiny round objects on their desks if it comes at the cost of spider web of massively expensive and ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, thunderbolt to whathaveyou adapters and TB->PCIe IO bays littering every inch of their work space? Kitchen designers? Feng Shui coaches?

Let's call it for what it is - the "iBin" is yet another massive middle finger to media industry (the industry that made Apple and almost single handedly helped it survive pre-intel times). It's a bigger middle finger than FCP7->FCPX and Aperture->Photo transition combined. It's a middle finger with "rage guy" meme and "FUUUUU" sound added.

Jokes aside - the worst part is that introduction of "iBin" didn't have to kill Mac Pro. There was enough market space between Mac Mini and Mac Pro to have a space agey desk objects introduced for Professional Funny Cat Video Vloggers or Real Estate Agents, or whatever "Pro" market this thing was designed for. It still doesn't have to. Call the old shape MP something like Mac Pro Classic, add new Xeon range, regular thunderbolt 2 motherboard with two buses and bring it back. Two physical CPUs and all. Done. Sorted.
 
Agree totally. I just ordered a 2 x 6 core 3.46Ghz second hand cMP to replace my 6-core 3.33 - should serve me well and better than the current nMP for years to come. An equally/about as fast nMP would set me back some $8.500 + new UAD thunderbolt card + new enclosures for SSD's etc. At least a $12-13.000 investment. I get the cMP for $2.400.

Still hoping Apple picks up the ball again and comes out with a real Mac Pro.
 
Despite being a massive Apple fan, from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction - the "iBin" Mac Pro was everything the core target market of Mac Pro's never wanted from workstation:

- we asked for more internal storage, instead Apple gave us, literally, no internal storage options bar small primary drive.
- we asked for faster, newer, stronger CUDA cards, instead Apple made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. And I'm sorry but OpenCL is just a joke in comparison.
- we asked for better onboard audio, instead they moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, why not.
- we asked for lower entry price point, wider CPU scalability for cluster machines. Instead they made sure nMP was twice more expensive, and narrowed the options to single CPU
- we asked for more PCIe slots and buses for all of our raids, capture cards and controller boards, instead they proposed that we throw away all of the cards and arrays we invested in over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, with external chains of devices on £30 cables.
- we asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, so we can upgrade things every few years, instead they made sure all internals were as proprietary as possible.
- we asked to redesign the new MP better, so it mounts into racks, simply so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. Instead Apple made sure we'll never have them under our desks, we can never stack them up, and it will be next to impossible to take them on the road without ratchet straps. Plus from now on everything that usually was inside will now be dangling off it on cables.

And the list goes on forever.

So yes, from technology point of view - the nMP is pretty and it's a marvel of design. But in the same time - who is the "Pro" in Mac Pro? Who is the target customer? Who is this mythical processor power hungry, number crunching end user that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not sound engineer, not special effects guy. Who are these aesthetics conscious Brabantia collectors with need for neat, shiny round objects on their desks if it comes at the cost of spider web of massively expensive and ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, thunderbolt to whathaveyou adapters and TB->PCIe IO bays littering every inch of their work space? Kitchen designers? Feng Shui coaches?

Let's call it for what it is - the "iBin" is yet another massive middle finger to media industry (the industry that made Apple and almost single handedly helped it survive pre-intel times). It's a bigger middle finger than FCP7->FCPX and Aperture->Photo transition combined. It's a middle finger with "rage guy" meme and "FUUUUU" sound added.

Jokes aside - the worst part is that introduction of "iBin" didn't have to kill Mac Pro. There was enough market space between Mac Mini and Mac Pro to have a space agey desk objects introduced for Professional Funny Cat Video Vloggers or Real Estate Agents, or whatever "Pro" market this thing was designed for. It still doesn't have to. Call the old shape MP something like Mac Pro Classic, add new Xeon range, regular thunderbolt 2 motherboard with two buses and bring it back. Two physical CPUs and all. Done. Sorted.

This is all win. Case closed! Bravo!
 
Despite being a massive Apple fan, from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction - the "iBin" Mac Pro was everything the core target market of Mac Pro's never wanted from workstation

Seriously, years after the release and we still have these dumb posts. "If you like the new design or you're still served by it, you're not a real Pro." It is and has always been ********.

Can all you professionals stop deigning to speak for all the other professionals? You're making us look bad, thanks.
 
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Seriously, years after the release and we still have these dumb posts. "If you like the new design or you're still served by it, you're not a real Pro." It is and has always been ********.

Can all you professionals stop deigning to speak for all the other professionals? You're making us look bad, thanks.
v0n clearly stated that he was not speaking for "all the other professionals", but that he was speaking "from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction".
 
v0n clearly stated that he was not speaking for "all the other professionals", but that he was speaking "from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction".

And I'm someone... working in video/media editing, motion graphics, and postproduction. He doesn't speak for me and more than I can for him. So he might learn to pipe down before making sweeping declarative statements.

A nMP would work well for my use case; we don't upgrade machines, I have no need of PCI expansion, storage is external and networked, and we use Thunderbolt sleds for transfers. Throwing more CPU cores at After Effects is a game of diminished returns until Adobe actually makes their software adapt to the modern era of computing.
 
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Despite being a massive Apple fan, from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction - the "iBin" Mac Pro was everything the core target market of Mac Pro's never wanted from workstation:

- we asked for more internal storage, instead Apple gave us, literally, no internal storage options bar small primary drive.
- we asked for faster, newer, stronger CUDA cards, instead Apple made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. And I'm sorry but OpenCL is just a joke in comparison.
- we asked for better onboard audio, instead they moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, why not.
- we asked for lower entry price point, wider CPU scalability for cluster machines. Instead they made sure nMP was twice more expensive, and narrowed the options to single CPU
- we asked for more PCIe slots and buses for all of our raids, capture cards and controller boards, instead they proposed that we throw away all of the cards and arrays we invested in over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, with external chains of devices on £30 cables.
- we asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, so we can upgrade things every few years, instead they made sure all internals were as proprietary as possible.
- we asked to redesign the new MP better, so it mounts into racks, simply so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. Instead Apple made sure we'll never have them under our desks, we can never stack them up, and it will be next to impossible to take them on the road without ratchet straps. Plus from now on everything that usually was inside will now be dangling off it on cables.

And the list goes on forever.

So yes, from technology point of view - the nMP is pretty and it's a marvel of design. But in the same time - who is the "Pro" in Mac Pro? Who is the target customer? Who is this mythical processor power hungry, number crunching end user that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not sound engineer, not special effects guy. Who are these aesthetics conscious Brabantia collectors with need for neat, shiny round objects on their desks if it comes at the cost of spider web of massively expensive and ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, thunderbolt to whathaveyou adapters and TB->PCIe IO bays littering every inch of their work space? Kitchen designers? Feng Shui coaches?

Let's call it for what it is - the "iBin" is yet another massive middle finger to media industry (the industry that made Apple and almost single handedly helped it survive pre-intel times). It's a bigger middle finger than FCP7->FCPX and Aperture->Photo transition combined. It's a middle finger with "rage guy" meme and "FUUUUU" sound added.

Jokes aside - the worst part is that introduction of "iBin" didn't have to kill Mac Pro. There was enough market space between Mac Mini and Mac Pro to have a space agey desk objects introduced for Professional Funny Cat Video Vloggers or Real Estate Agents, or whatever "Pro" market this thing was designed for. It still doesn't have to. Call the old shape MP something like Mac Pro Classic, add new Xeon range, regular thunderbolt 2 motherboard with two buses and bring it back. Two physical CPUs and all. Done. Sorted.
I hear you and.... Oh ... I hear Tim Cook coming (foot steps) "Hi, Von! It's me, Tim Cook" "I heard you don't like the current nMP design, is that right? Maybe you will be surprised on our next design if you give us another chance on next refresh. If you don't like or feel like we are going in a wrong decision..." Tim Cook shows you the exit door "there you go."

Yes in a way it feels like they just made the latest one for the sake of it... And it may be. But are you going to stay where you are forever? We all going to have to adapt to new Apple direction at point wether we like it or not. If apple decides to have next OS X compatible with 2013 and up... Then what?For FCPX... I remember this guy or we'll known guy named Larry something... But he mentioned of FCPX was good enough for professional level. He said it doesn't matter matter as long as you get your work done fast and effective. He is right.

As I mentioned in this thread or other thread... It appears people are afraid to move on. I personally think and this is just my belief, that people can't adjust to "new home" regardless of the specs or gpu or etc.

To be honest I hear you. I wish it wasn't like this..but at some point..we make the best of what is available. At end of the day.. People are just scared of how it will affect media people... Musician .. And etc.
 
- we asked for more internal storage, instead Apple gave us, literally, no internal storage options bar small primary drive.
how many drives did you ask for inside the machine? like ten or something?

also.. who, exactly, did you ask for all this stuff from? are you speaking figuratively or did you really ask for all this?

I have some other questions re:your post but I'll wait till later..we'll see how this first round goes.
 
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Despite being a massive Apple fan, from the perspective of someone working in video/media editing and postproduction - the "iBin" Mac Pro was everything the core target market of Mac Pro's never wanted from workstation:

- we asked for more internal storage, instead Apple gave us, literally, no internal storage options bar small primary drive.
- we asked for faster, newer, stronger CUDA cards, instead Apple made sure you won't be able to fit Nvidia in there, ever. And I'm sorry but OpenCL is just a joke in comparison.
- we asked for better onboard audio, instead they moved that single basic headphone mini jack, to the back, why not.
- we asked for lower entry price point, wider CPU scalability for cluster machines. Instead they made sure nMP was twice more expensive, and narrowed the options to single CPU
- we asked for more PCIe slots and buses for all of our raids, capture cards and controller boards, instead they proposed that we throw away all of the cards and arrays we invested in over the years into rubbish bin and start from scratch, with external chains of devices on £30 cables.
- we asked for better compatibility with existing hardware on the market, so we can upgrade things every few years, instead they made sure all internals were as proprietary as possible.
- we asked to redesign the new MP better, so it mounts into racks, simply so the rendering and encoding clusters don't litter every table in the office and require custom rigs in broadcast trailers. Instead Apple made sure we'll never have them under our desks, we can never stack them up, and it will be next to impossible to take them on the road without ratchet straps. Plus from now on everything that usually was inside will now be dangling off it on cables.

And the list goes on forever.

So yes, from technology point of view - the nMP is pretty and it's a marvel of design. But in the same time - who is the "Pro" in Mac Pro? Who is the target customer? Who is this mythical processor power hungry, number crunching end user that doesn't need tons of storage and ef loads of cards inside? Not editor, not video encoder, not musician, not sound engineer, not special effects guy. Who are these aesthetics conscious Brabantia collectors with need for neat, shiny round objects on their desks if it comes at the cost of spider web of massively expensive and ugly Lacies, Bufallos, Arecas and Pegasus', break out boxes, external disk writers, card readers, thunderbolt to whathaveyou adapters and TB->PCIe IO bays littering every inch of their work space? Kitchen designers? Feng Shui coaches?

Let's call it for what it is - the "iBin" is yet another massive middle finger to media industry (the industry that made Apple and almost single handedly helped it survive pre-intel times). It's a bigger middle finger than FCP7->FCPX and Aperture->Photo transition combined. It's a middle finger with "rage guy" meme and "FUUUUU" sound added.

Jokes aside - the worst part is that introduction of "iBin" didn't have to kill Mac Pro. There was enough market space between Mac Mini and Mac Pro to have a space agey desk objects introduced for Professional Funny Cat Video Vloggers or Real Estate Agents, or whatever "Pro" market this thing was designed for. It still doesn't have to. Call the old shape MP something like Mac Pro Classic, add new Xeon range, regular thunderbolt 2 motherboard with two buses and bring it back. Two physical CPUs and all. Done. Sorted.


This is 100% dead on and echoes endless conversations I've had around the watercolor of every post production house in Los Angeles. The only thing stoping people from going Windows is Windows and the desperate hope that Apple will pull their head out of their rear end and go back to making a serious pro machine. But the window of opportunity is closing and sooner or later people will be forced to go Windows if nothing changes. The 4k avalanche is about to hit and you will need a sledgehammer of a machine to get through your daily work. And that's not count all the pros who need slots and a rack mountable machine who are already SOL.

It's been +730 days since the release of the trashcan. Where is the damn update Apple? If you are going to screw us by making a closed box you better update it annually so we aren't always trailing the rest of the industry.

For all I care they can keep the Trashcan in production for all the high end designers etc, but give us a real machine with slots, dual CPU and bays.
 
This is 100% dead on and echoes endless conversations I've had around the watercolor of every post production house in Los Angeles. The only thing stoping people from going Windows is Windows and the desperate hope that Apple will pull their head out of their rear end and go back to making a serious pro machine. But the window of opportunity is closing and sooner or later people will be forced to go Windows if nothing changes. The 4k avalanche is about to hit and you will need a sledgehammer of a machine to get through your daily work. And that's not count all the pros who need slots and a rack mountable machine who are already SOL.

It's been +730 days since the release of the trashcan. Where is the damn update Apple? If you are going to screw us by making a closed box you better update it annually so we aren't always trailing the rest of the industry.

For all I care they can keep the Trashcan in production for all the high end designers etc, but give us a real machine with slots, dual CPU and bays.
I don't think you or any of us have any power to determine how the next Mac Pro is going to be. Maybe if you get Tim Cook to listen to you or ive. I hear you;however, if one can't move on and adapt then Tim Cook would like to show you to the exit door. Because when you have walked to the exit door then you have no place to go to.
 
I don't think you or any of us have any power to determine how the next Mac Pro is going to be. Maybe if you get Tim Cook to listen to you or ive. I hear you;however, if one can't move on and adapt then Tim Cook would like to show you to the exit door. Because when you have walked to the exit door then you have no place to go to.

And you know what? After being with Apple for more than 20 years since the days of the Apple II I may just do that. Believe it or not Apple has been given an earful from professionals across the entertainment business.

It's becoming not just a matter of inconvenience, but Apple's recent tool-as-an-art-project approach is affecting my ability to get work done. I am one step away from going Windows and I am not alone. Windows is not necessarily my cup of tea, but once I'm inside the programs I use, there is very little difference between it and a Mac. I have to get work done and am out of time to clown around with the Apple design department.

Now Timmy may not care if I depart, because Mac sales are a drop in the bucket compared to their phone sales and my contribution amounts to a rounding error on their balance sheet. But I sure as hell am not going to keep writing them checks for a half-baked tool.
 
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Simple anwer:

With the right parts you can speed up an old Mac Pro 2010 and kick the trashcan out oft the screen.

2x Titan X
4x SM951 Raid with 5900 MB/s

And you can do nothing to to speed the nMP over the niveau of an old upgraded 2010 machine.

Yes, the nMP is a fail.
 
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The nMP actually is an sound succes among REAL PROs not GEEK or PRO-SUMERS.

Few Facts:

If you need an WORKSTATION which is Optimally configured for your WORKflow, and requires LOW SYSTEM SUPPORT, and SOME BASIC UPGREADABILITY (dont forget you can Upgade CPU/ MEMORY/SSD on the nMP, exception is the GPU/PSU), also somehow portable and actually looks stunning on a desk, there is nothing best than the nMP period.

The nMP maybe don't have DUAL CPU sockets, neither QUAD GPU or GPU UPGRADE CAPABILITIES, but actually the offer made by apple covers 99% of the REAL PRO users.

The later 1% are those with extreme requirements which actually could find better offerings on the Linux DIY market and actually most of them are using tools available on Linux.

My only complains with Apple about the nMP are the long Updates, Apple skipped an entire Xeon generation (E5-v3), also many people with full configured nMP found the PSUs weak for Long Heavy loads (as multi-day renders), also few needs better cooling,specially on summer I feel my nMP is close to melt.

For me things I love the nMP form factor:

bye to 5.1/4 Bays and internal CD/DVDs and Spinner HDD.

Compact Portable Design (its easy to carry it unadverted across an airport).

Easy Basic Upgrades (RAM, CPU, SSD).

External Thunderbolt HDD Enclosures proven to be smarter solution than having large internal spinners, external HDD enclosures can switch easy to an mac mini and keep data available to the workgroup releasing the nMP to other duty or simple being powered off (extending its life).

To mi the new Mac Pro deserves a, 9.5/10.
 
And you know what? After being with Apple for more than 20 years since the days of the Apple II I may just do that. Believe it or not Apple has been given an earful from professionals across the entertainment business.

It's becoming not just a matter of inconvenience, but Apple's recent tool-as-an-art-project approach is affecting my ability to get work done. I am one step away from going Windows and I am not alone. Windows is not necessarily my cup of tea, but once I'm inside the programs I use, there is very little difference between it and a Mac. I have to get work done and am out of time to clown around with the Apple design department.

Now Timmy may not care if I depart, because Mac sales are a drop in the bucket compared to their phone sales and my contribution amounts to a rounding error on their balance sheet. But I sure as hell am not going to keep writing them checks for a half-baked tool.
For you as loyal apple user for over 20 years...I say....Go for it. You know why? You shouldn't let Apple or anyone company dictate your life....you gotta get that money...by working effectively. I totally respect that. I see MP users who may be on the same train with you. Point being..if anything...you gotta do what's best for you.
 
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