Me too. Best case I've ever owned, but I'm all for a revolution in the pursuit of quiet. I'm a little shocked it took so long for the Mac Pro redesign to have an effect. Good for MSI.
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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?
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Me too. Best case I've ever owned, but I'm all for a revolution in the pursuit of quiet. I'm a little shocked it took so long for the Mac Pro redesign to have an effect. Good for MSI.
Linus said the silver tube starts with 960's and since it starts at 3k that's what you'll get. I imagine you're not going to get the i7/980's for much under 5k
No Mac Pros in the Apple refurb store. You need to sell new ones for there to be refurbs. How's it selling?
Mac Mall is now doing BTO just for the Mac Pro. PowerMax was the only Apple reseller authorized to do Mac BTO in the past. Slow MP sales?
Mac Mall is now doing BTO just for the Mac Pro. PowerMax was the only Apple reseller authorized to do Mac BTO in the past. Slow MP sales?
At the risk of dragging us back to the topic at hand, i.e. the nMP, I really don't get the stuff-everything-into-one-case philosophy any more. When the nMP was released, that seemed to me to be the writing on the wall for internal storage. It seemed obvious to me then and far more so now that M.2 is the way to go for fast storage. So what's the point of having room for legacy spinning rust in a new machine? If spinning rust means that much to you, is £120 for a 4 bay RAID 5 eSATA enclosure really that terrible?
Having switched to a Qnap GBE (which is far slower than eSATA) NAS, all it took was a minor workflow change and the office here is notably more organised. I can see other people's documents without having to go hunting through everyone's machines because each project has its own folder on the NAS. I can even access them when on site with a customer because the NAS has a built-in VPN. The only thing I can't see are things that have high drive bandwidth requirements, i.e. current video projects. But I've never yet wanted to see a work-in-progress video project except as an export that the person working on it is happy for me to see. And exports live on the NAS because they don't need much bandwidth.
In the same way, I really don't get people screaming that they need PCIe slots. Everything is already there on Thunderbolt. The only example anyone has managed to give of something that's beyond Thunderbolt is an M.2 RAID card that delivers 5GBps+. Which I fully admit is awesome and hopefully a taste of the future but right now it's a $1200 1TB edge-case for niche markets where people need close-to-RAM-speed storage. Even people scrubbing through ProRes 4444 XQ 5K don't need it and would get far more bang-for-buck elsewhere.
Which just leaves the GPUs. And I'm with you there. I don't care whether it's nVidia or AMD under the hood but deeply dislike the proprietary connection/card that Apple has used.
Assuming you want WiFi or a mobile/cell phone signal in the same room, maybe that's a bad idea.
heh.. i never understand the logic either..
as far as i can gather around here, iMacs are the 'all-in-one consumer solution'.. not classic mac pros.. even though iMacs have less internal stuff than even nmp..
also, it's 'stuff everything into one case' as long as 'everything' means less than a handful of drives..
if you use only one local hard drive, cmp is a lot of wasted space.. if you use more than 4-5 drives, cmp is not a great solution.. it's only the people using exactly 3 or 4 hard drives who will actually make proper usage of a traditional tower case.. everyone else though? it's either a waste of space/resources or not enough space/resources.
The tower case makes it easier to service. Cleaning out dust is critical.
Exactly what resources are being wasted?
Incorrect, if you have two drives or want more then one Ethernet port or want to add FireWire or more USB ect the cMP is better.
Let us not forget the nMP is constrained to lackluster graphics chips and can't at this time be upgraded past a D700.
The nMP you get one PCIe drive and you get what you get. Everything else is thunderbolt or USB.
You keep bashing towers without understanding their strengths.
Really the nMP should be called the MacMini Pro.
i'm not bashing towers.. further, i've used them for quite some time..
that you're sitting around thinking you're explaining the design of a tower or cmp is a bit silly.. of course i know what they are and how they're designed and what it's like to work with one.. i'm looking at one right this very second.
argue something new or profound or something for once.. saying things like "nmp doesn't have pci-e slots and cmp does" ..
well.. duh.
Like always, if fits some people's needs but not other's.
For me it's great, choose a roomy enough SSD, TBD and I'm set.
Towers are great and all, have been using them for years, building my own rigs, but now I guess I grown past that. No need or desire to keep messing inside the case anymore. Just need a small and quiet rig and a great display.
Of course others will have different needs, even if only to produce high bench numbers. Some will actually use it for working and really need the power, just in case someone will come back.
One thing I don't understand in the PC world, and never in my builds I went that route, is the need for the show off with the LEDs and neon lights and whatever. I'm not saying the PC shouldn't look nice, I also think it should, but all those colors and lights really look cool to anyone? Is it just me that think how redneck it looks?
The Vortex sort of follows also this trend, Asian manufacturers tend to like this stuff. I still get puzzled how people go for it. Don't get me wrong, spec wise it's a great machine of course. The back (ports) looks somewhat cheap though.
But it will have the same problems as the nMP people here cry about. External expansion, GPU upgrade (although maybe not as bad as the nMP) shouldn't also be a walk in the park. Correct me if I'm wrong but MXM boards aren't quite that common as well (OK, some will link to some NVidia stuff) and I'd guess expensive as hell. Comments will be coming I'm sure.
Apple might appreciate the copy (sorry, the resemblance) though.
For me it's great, choose a roomy enough SSD, TBD and I'm set.
Towers are great and all, have been using them for years, building my own rigs, but now I guess I grown past that. No need or desire to keep messing inside the case anymore. Just need a small and quiet rig and a great display.
Of course others will have different needs, even if only to produce high bench numbers. Some will actually use it for working and really need the power, just in case someone will come back.
One thing I don't understand in the PC world, and never in my builds I went that route, is the need for the show off with the LEDs and neon lights and whatever. I'm not saying the PC shouldn't look nice, I also think it should, but all those colors and lights really look cool to anyone? Is it just me that think how redneck it looks?
The Vortex sort of follows also this trend, Asian manufacturers tend to like this stuff. I still get puzzled how people go for it. Don't get me wrong, spec wise it's a great machine of course. The back (ports) looks somewhat cheap though.
But it will have the same problems as the nMP people here cry about. External expansion, GPU upgrade (although maybe not as bad as the nMP) shouldn't also be a walk in the park. Correct me if I'm wrong but MXM boards aren't quite that common as well (OK, some will link to some NVidia stuff) and I'd guess expensive as hell. Comments will be coming I'm sure.
Apple might appreciate the copy (sorry, the resemblance) though.
no.. the polls regarding this type of stuff are always near the same results..
once people learn/adopt a new technology, approx 60% of people are resistant to learning/adopting an even newer technology
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for example:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...derbolt-vs-upgradeable-gpu-pcie-slots.1621534
People called Apple crazy when they got rid of optical drives in their computers.
People called Apple crazy when they introduced new Mac Pro.
People call Apple crazy when they want to get rid of 3.5 mm Jack in iPhone 7.
People called Apple crazy when they introduced new Mac Pro.
People call Apple crazy when they want to get rid of 3.5 mm Jack in iPhone 7.
People called Apple crazy for choosing AMD space heaters instead of modern GPUs. (Oh, whoops, that was right)
There's a guy crying about Occulus rift not running on D500s who needs to hear about the joys of asynchronous compute.
Dust can cause short circuits in electronics and cause them to malfunction. When a machine gets warm there is also the chance that the dust can catch on fire if the machine is being pushed to the limits and has cooling that is prone to clogging up.
To get rid of a dust in the computer I suggest cleaning house more often.
LOL true.
That is why I use a Dyson V6+ Absolute cordless Vacuum for the Airstream and a Dyson Cinetic Animal to vacuum up dust. My desktop also has filters.ok whatever.
The end of the internal storage because Apple launched a tiny (nice designed) workstation and you are forced to go external? Nah. There are some very populair PC cases. Clean designs, well build, quiet.
I think workflow can be very personal. What works for you or your company, doesn't work for someone els. Like me, i work with large PSD files, sometimes PSB because my photoshop documents rise to larger than 2GB. I want to stay far away from a slow NAS to storage it, open my files or safe them there. I like to work local. I don't mind to copy the files later when a project is done to my NAS (i have one too). With a nMP I need to buy an extra device newt to the nMP for extra storage (which also is not very cheap.) So from my point of view i have two or more devices on my desk, because the nMP is so small. I don't have unlimited desk space. And an nMP would be on my desk. A PC will be under my desk.
My 2 cents
I consider the nMP an epic failure for various reasons (and yes, I own one and have used it 'professionally' for last year and half when it has actually elected to work and not be in the shop for repairs).
- driver (or OS) quality (it has most issues I have encountered with an Apple product by far). ~probably ten different _types_ of GPU related issues by now, and they seem to be software; the (bad) behavior has changed over the time from 10.9., 10.10., and now 10.11. series and it has never worked as well as e.g. my Windows 10 workstation (aka gaming computer). While I admit I push the machine somewhat (2x 4k display, 1x projector) it _should_ be expected to work; the Windows workstation with the same toys connected to it just works.
- no upgrades (even upgrade SSDs are relatively painful to get, one supplier? sigh)
- no expandability - the pictures of the cabling I have with various small boxes with USB-2/3 would make grown man cry
I would any day pay 2000$ _extra_ on top of normal hardware for essentially modern _extensible_/_upgradeable_ workstation _by Apple_. In 2014 I experimented briefly with Hackintosh of my own, but it is not really worth the hassle; and when you are paid by the hour, any hassle is bad if you do not enjoy it.
At the moment I am actually speculating on what my 'next' real workstation will be; odds are, it will be either future 4k-supporting Mini (60hz, with 32+GB RAM available), or a PC (and the associated costs of getting some replacement software). nMP has not really convinced me it is a pro machine, or the software Apple writes for it is not. I am not sure which is the case, but outcome is the same.
iMac is not an option due to me wanting to use the same display (+- KVM) also for e.g. PC use.
Sorry about the rant
- driver (or OS) quality (it has most issues I have encountered with an Apple product by far). ~probably ten different _types_ of GPU related issues by now, and they seem to be software; the (bad) behavior has changed over the time from 10.9., 10.10., and now 10.11. series and it has never worked as well as e.g. my Windows 10 workstation (aka gaming computer). While I admit I push the machine somewhat (2x 4k display, 1x projector) it _should_ be expected to work; the Windows workstation with the same toys connected to it just works.
- no upgrades (even upgrade SSDs are relatively painful to get, one supplier? sigh)
- no expandability - the pictures of the cabling I have with various small boxes with USB-2/3 would make grown man cry
I would any day pay 2000$ _extra_ on top of normal hardware for essentially modern _extensible_/_upgradeable_ workstation _by Apple_. In 2014 I experimented briefly with Hackintosh of my own, but it is not really worth the hassle; and when you are paid by the hour, any hassle is bad if you do not enjoy it.
At the moment I am actually speculating on what my 'next' real workstation will be; odds are, it will be either future 4k-supporting Mini (60hz, with 32+GB RAM available), or a PC (and the associated costs of getting some replacement software). nMP has not really convinced me it is a pro machine, or the software Apple writes for it is not. I am not sure which is the case, but outcome is the same.
iMac is not an option due to me wanting to use the same display (+- KVM) also for e.g. PC use.
Sorry about the rant
A long history of Nvidia chips that turned into crispy critters due to overheating in both Apple & Window PC's.
Buy a car with one seat and one door would you?
Going to be interesting how the Gibberati get around the Oculus issue.
I'm sure the PR/BS department is taxed, going to be tough to weasel out of this one.
But I'm sure those GPU upgrades are "just around the corner"
I'm sure the PR/BS department is taxed, going to be tough to weasel out of this one.
But I'm sure those GPU upgrades are "just around the corner"
that's a terrible analogy.
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it makes no sense to me.
in what way are you likening a cmp to a car with 5 seats and 4 doors? then a nmp to a one-seater one door?
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use computers optimized for those things?
https://www.oculus.com/en-us/oculus-ready-pcs/
use computers for rift that conform to the required specs?
idk.. it seems like you're going to try to make a huge ordeal about this even though we're in a mac forum and rift is windows only..
take it much further and it's going to be a great example of grasping at straws.
Because it is a PERFECT example of why 6,1 is an abject failure. (Have a look at the thread topic)
Since the computer hasn't been updated in almost 3 years, we have to discuss something, like maybe everything else that HAS been updated in those nearly 3 years.
And I'm sorry, the apologists are really stretching credibility if they want to claim this isn't important. If you were designing something like...a car (or a rollerblade ramp) , would you rather look at it as a flat object that you move on a screen sitting on a desk, or something that you could walk around in 3D and see in life size?
Aside from which, if this were Apple's tech that was announced at WWDC (and that headset had a piece of fruit missing a bite logo) , the Gibberati would be wetting themselves with excitement. Phil Schiller would be dragging out his "Innovate my arse" comment again. (In 3D) and Apple stock would be headed skyward.
The fact that this is NOT Apple's tech, and that 99% of their product line is excluded due to low-grade (yes, low grade) specs, is an embarrassment.
Well, at least they're still shiny and thin, right?
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