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dannyyankou

macrumors G5
Mar 2, 2012
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EM2013

macrumors 68020
Sep 2, 2013
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Exactly. Most people have no idea what the specs mean, but when they see it then it makes a big difference in action. 120hz is one of those.

I have seen exactly zero phone reviewers say 90/120hz is not a noticeable difference over 60 in real life viewing of the display.
You’re comparing tech reviewers that know what 120hz is, to normal users that don’t even know a new iPhone is coming.

Of course tech reviewers will notice it, the average user will not.

All this to say, just like the 11/11 pro, people will still buy it.
 

StaceyMJ86

macrumors demi-goddess
Sep 22, 2015
8,478
14,901
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Yep, pathetic. So why is the iPhone delayed for months? Great job Apple. Loving the 120hz display on my Note 20 Ultra though. I might just pass on a new iPhone this year since they are so late.

Glad you will not be preordering the iPhone 12/Pro Max. That’s one more extra device somebody could be preordering. You can keep whatever Android device you’re using. All you do come on MacRumors to speak bad about. You do have the right to say what you want but why waste your energy typing everything bad about Apple if you’re not going to buy one of their devices.
 

Abazigal

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Jul 18, 2011
20,399
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NFC came to the iPhone in 2014, years after android phones. Can’t say it impacted sales any.

Same with OLED. The first iPhone to sport it was in 2017. Apple waited till OLED was good enough to implement at scale.

The iPad has 120hz on a lcd display. The challenge will be getting it to work on an OLED display without any of the crazy compromises like what we are seeing on Samsung phones.

When it comes to technology that possesses both advantages and drawbacks, I feel shouting “first” is pointless when what we should be looking at is the implementation.

As it stands, 120hz, for all its benefits, does result in significant power consumption and no one, not even Samsung, has found a way to properly implement it in a manner which doesn’t mar the user experience some.

Maybe this year’s iPhone will come with 120 hz. Maybe it won’t. There is one thing I can be certain of, and that is android smartphone OEMs have no idea how to properly package specs until Apple shows them, then it’s a hilarious and dizzying race to copy Apple.

At the end of the day, all design is compromise. A company like Samsung is willing to experiment more publicly. This means users may get to try out new features earlier, but the tradeoff is that they often come across as half-baked and unfinished.

Apple is the opposite, for better and for worse. It is what it is.
 

crawfish963

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2010
942
1,671
Texas
Zero reasons to upgrade then from any Pro model in the last 2 years. 5G is meaningless right now to most people. LIDAR is a gimmick.

No notch size change, no 120hz, very sad from Apple. Just saw a Poco X3 phone review on Youtube with 120hz display; LCD sure but still. And 5000+ mah battery for $199. So $199 phones now have it but no Apple phone at any price- a joke really.
Don’t forget a smaller battery. I know Apple will sell millions of these but it’s going to be hard for most people to justify buying one.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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NFC came to the iPhone in 2014, years after android phones. Can’t say it impacted sales any.

Same with OLED. The first iPhone to sport it was in 2017. Apple waited till OLED was good enough to implement at scale.

The iPad has 120hz on a lcd display. The challenge will be getting it to work on an OLED display without any of the crazy compromises like what we are seeing on Samsung phones.

When it comes to technology that possesses both advantages and drawbacks, I feel shouting “first” is pointless when what we should be looking at is the implementation.

As it stands, 120hz, for all its benefits, does result in significant power consumption and no one, not even Samsung, has found a way to properly implement it in a manner which doesn’t mar the user experience some.

Maybe this year’s iPhone will come with 120 hz. Maybe it won’t. There is one thing I can be certain of, and that is android smartphone OEMs have no idea how to properly package specs until Apple shows them, then it’s a hilarious and dizzying race to copy Apple.

At the end of the day, all design is compromise. A company like Samsung is willing to experiment more publicly. This means users may get to try out new features earlier, but the tradeoff is that they often come across as half-baked and unfinished.

Apple is the opposite, for better and for worse. It is what it is.


Oh please, stop acting like Apple is this ray of sunshine that does no wrong.

The notch is still considered a compromise. The way users accept the compromise of a notch for FaceID, is the same way users accept 120hz at 1080 instead of 1440. And users of both are happy, with the natural want for progression.
 

calstanford

Suspended
Nov 25, 2014
1,419
4,306
Hong Kong
So what the hell is even in this delayed “new” phone? Design back to iPhone 5 times, 5G (but only certain bands, no mmWave - most likely as a first iteration not full speed but high battery consumption, same as 4G in the 1st iteration). What else? Is there anything in it? And please for the love of god don’t say faster (it’s a phone! When has an 11 been slow, ever?) or Lidar (for “AR” haha okay yea).

Higher res cameras? Nope. I’m sorry but a cheap xiaomi with a 108MP camera (I know it’s a ******** number, but they scale down to a standard 24MP 6000x4000 BEAUTIFULLY with enough sun out. Almost APS-C like.) and Apple puts the same sensors for the fifth year into an iPhone?

No new screen. Same notch. No Fingerprint under-screen sensor (I am wearing a mask 24/7 when I’m out and I want to throw my iPhone against the wall sometimes for having to type in my PIN 800x a day)
 
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PeterG727

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Aug 26, 2020
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NFC came to the iPhone in 2014, years after android phones. Can’t say it impacted sales any.

Same with OLED. The first iPhone to sport it was in 2017. Apple waited till OLED was good enough to implement at scale.

The iPad has 120hz on a lcd display. The challenge will be getting it to work on an OLED display without any of the crazy compromises like what we are seeing on Samsung phones.

When it comes to technology that possesses both advantages and drawbacks, I feel shouting “first” is pointless when what we should be looking at is the implementation.

As it stands, 120hz, for all its benefits, does result in significant power consumption and no one, not even Samsung, has found a way to properly implement it in a manner which doesn’t mar the user experience some.

Maybe this year’s iPhone will come with 120 hz. Maybe it won’t. There is one thing I can be certain of, and that is android smartphone OEMs have no idea how to properly package specs until Apple shows them, then it’s a hilarious and dizzying race to copy Apple.

At the end of the day, all design is compromise. A company like Samsung is willing to experiment more publicly. This means users may get to try out new features earlier, but the tradeoff is that they often come across as half-baked and unfinished.

Apple is the opposite, for better and for worse. It is what it is.

I don't own the note 20 ultra or S20 ultra, so I can't say how the 120 hz is on those phones, but I can say that 120 hz is pretty good on my oneplus 8 pro. I can still get through the day with moderate to heavy use at quad HD, not even full HD. It is buttery smooth on all of the apps that I use. Twitter/instagram never felt this good to use and scroll. Apple could definitely implement it, but they don't want to put a large battery in their phones. I would go for a thicker phone with bigger battery than a thinner phone with worse battery.
 

UBS28

macrumors 68030
Oct 2, 2012
2,893
2,340
Sure thing!


Has UBSC, fast charger, 120 hz display, 5100 battery, 6gb RAM, expandable memory, quad camera, headphone jack, fingerprint sensor, face unlock, pinhole camera.

And it even comes with a free case?

There must be something wrong that a phone like this is only $200?
 

Robbosan

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Aug 21, 2020
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Oh please, stop acting like Apple is this ray of sunshine that does no wrong.

The notch is still considered a compromise. The way users accept the compromise of a notch for FaceID, is the same way users accept 120hz at 1080 instead of 1440. And users of both are happy, with the natural want for progression.

At least FID works not like Samsungs on screen TID lol. If apple do it at least we will know it will work.
 

creamz

macrumors member
Feb 2, 2015
87
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Same reason the iPhones are going to be months late this year. Poor management. They are far too complacent these days because they are on top. They need to take lessons from other fallen companies who were once giants but got too complacent and sank.
It is on their test model. They tested on it. They worked on it. They don't like it. So it didn't end up in the production model. This is genuinely Apple.
 

creamz

macrumors member
Feb 2, 2015
87
39
Oh please, stop acting like Apple is this ray of sunshine that does no wrong.

The notch is still considered a compromise. The way users accept the compromise of a notch for FaceID, is the same way users accept 120hz at 1080 instead of 1440. And users of both are happy, with the natural want for progression.

Face ID with a notch is a compromise I get you. But the execution of FaceID is flawless. It is not gimmicky like a teardrop screen with a half assed face recognition. However going for a 1440 res to a 1080 for a 120Hz is not a compromise. It is an execution failure. That is why Apple drop it. I don't want my iPhone getting any heavier yet still having to recharge during lunch.

Besides if 120Hz is really that good as claimed Note 20 sales would have been euphoric right? Why does it fare worse than Note 10? It is a no brainer. Experience over specs anytime.
 
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Jul 12, 2016
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The in display FS works fine for me, and most users. Can't say the same about iPhone's signal strength. 😎

I’ve heard good things since the second iteration of the scanner. Apple should somehow implement this in the upcoming iPhone models, a secondary biometric option can only enhance the experience, not deter it. Face ID offers a lot of potential, but it has its limited use cases for sure.
 

DexBell

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Oct 23, 2016
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It is on their test model. They tested on it. They worked on it. They don't like it. So it didn't end up in the production model. This is genuinely Apple.

The 120hz display on my Note 20 Ultra is awesome. So Samsung can manage to pull it off just fine. Whats that say about Apple? They are Samsung made displays literally handed to them and they still cant make them work. Sloppy...Dont worry, they will make them work on the next iPhone though, then charge you $100 more for it.
 
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