Considering how much my 12 Pro sucks with low light compared to my Nikon, I'm not expecting much improvements in low light phone photography for a long time. In great light, the two cameras with the same depth of field can seem pretty close to one another, at least in the same MP, but low light is completely different.
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Other Looks like iPhone 13 not enough to upgrade from 12…wait for 14..updated speculation
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Being able to take Decently fast low light photos would be a huge game changer for smartphone photography. iPhone 12 certainly don’t earn that title. iPhone 13 bigger sensor may not either. There must be other ways.
Won’t be long the 13 will be here, then one more year till the real upgrade comes outso glad I’m passing. Not smart move on apple’s part either to name it 13 if they do, bad luck phone.
so glad I’m passing. Not smart move on apple’s part either to name it 13 if they do, bad luck phone.
Just like iOS 13 the world will not care except a few who believe in superstition number nonsense.
Still have my 2018 launch day XS Max 512gb, only upgrading to the 13 Pro Max IF they have a 1TB option, if not I’ll keep my CS Max for a 4th year.
😁 what?
It takes literally an extra second or two at the most to put your passcode in instead of FaceID. Surely nobody cares that much?
Even if a small handful of people are that easily persuaded to buy a phone based on a feature like that, its hardly going to be a reason for it to "fly off the shelves".
Any update to FaceID that allows unlocking with a mask worn would be a software update that could be rolled out to any iPhone anyway.
Not being funny but of course anyone with a 12/12 Pro is going to say iPhone 13 not worth it 
Yeah, regardless of much improved Face ID or not, iPhone 13 sales are going to be great as always but hardly any feature can make them "fly off shelves". Well, except if they add all the new features AND set the standard iPhone 13 at some new, very low price point (which isn't going to happen during the chip shortage or otherwise).
Not being funny but of course anyone with a 12/12 Pro is going to say iPhone 13 not worth it
Well yeah, it’s so incremental based on the leaks so far. People with older devices will see a more significant leap.
Things are more than just skin deep. There’s the cpu, 5g, build quality, ecosystem, etc. everyone talks about things on an android phone but it’s not fair to pick one item here and one item from there. Android has nothing compared to iOS integration. An iPhone isn’t a single item, it’s a key to an ecosystem. Hell I just turned in my appleTV in bed with it to toss the news on.
Assuming the 13 has the same no promotion/4gb ram/64gb starting storage/dual camera PLUS a price increase, it certainly isn't worth upgrading from the 12. I'd argue a reduced in price 12 will be very good value vs the 13 and the differences between the two based off rumor's seem vastly less than the differences between the 11 and 12. The rumored specs of the 13 pro interest me more, but I shall still be waiting for 2022 at least, possibly 2023.
Er, have you been living under a rock for the past 18 months? Plenty has been written about it.
No I haven't, and yes the mask compatibility has been written about, but its really not as big a thing as you vastly over-exaggerated, that iPhone 13s would "fly off the shelves" because of it. It's a software fix not a hardware one. Apple could roll it out next year and it wouldn't make phones suddenly "fly off the shelves".
Well the smart money will for sureNot being funny but of course anyone with a 12/12 Pro is going to say iPhone 13 not worth it
Just because you don't think it's a big deal, doesn't mean it's not. Especially when you haven't got anything except your opinion to back up your argument.
Why do you think so many are clamouring for TouchID to be reintroduced on phones? Why do you think Apple introduced unlock with Apple Watch? All those comments on threads annoyed with Apple for forcing them to buy a watch to unlock their phone with a mask on.
Of course people would love a better system that doesn't have them entering their passcode 50 times a day. To suggest otherwise is perplexing. Just search Google. Besides, the world isn't just the west, ya know. A few people in Asia might be pretty keen on such a feature.
Absolutely Apple would just release this for their new phone. Hey, I could be wrong, but there is precedent for Apple doing this. But this is just fantasy at the moment. I will say it again, I doubt the legitimacy of the rumor.
"Just search Google".
I didn't say users in general aren't interested in mask-compatible FaceID, I said the feature itself is not enough to make a phone "sell like hotcakes" as you wildly claim.
This is what you said: "It takes literally an extra second or two at the most to put your passcode in instead of FaceID. Surely nobody cares that much?"
People do care. I think I've provided enough to show that. And I keep telling you there is a world outside the USA. Masks are normal in Asia. iPhones are popular in Asia. So...
31 percent of Android users cited in a survey that they don't want to change to the 13 because of the mask issue because it won't have TouchID. If Apple intro a maskID then that will override that concern. It's a big deal if it happens.
I stand by my claim that it will help it to fly off the shelves. I'm basing that on articles, forums and culture, but it is based on more than just opinion. Anyway, enjoy your weekend.
Depends on your pockets, for me (and I can only speak for myself) no. I find the pro max uncomfortable in my jeans pockets. While the flip phone would be twice the thickness it’s the length that causes the problem for me.
Hence I would prefer a flip phone. Your experience may differ, so I generally tend to post on my personal experience as I’m a bit of an expert in that. My daughter had the Samsung flip, so I was able to try that.
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No you haven't provided enough.
I've read about that survey and you're twisting the results to meet your wild claim. Nowhere does it claim its due to the mask issue that 31% of Android users won't switch because of lack of a fingerprint scanner.
The reason given was simply lack of fingerprint scanner, not lack of method to unlock a phone wearing a mask. I'd love TouchID back simply because I find it easier and more reliable than FaceID, NOT because it solves the mask issue - which again is a software issue not a hardware one. I've read lots of forum posts too where people prefer touchID to FaceID for the reasons I've mentioned.
You've gone from claiming that FaceID which works with masks would make iPhones fly off the shelves, to twisting survey results to make it sound like android users wanting touchid would switch mainly because it solves the mask issue.
It's really not as big a thing as you're making out. The forum is hardly full of people demanding Apple make FaceID work with masks, because it's not a major problem - just take the mask off temporarily, use your pin number, or the Apple Watch method 😆
If the sole purchasing decision that makes or breaks whether they buy an iPhone is whether it works with a mask then they need to reassess why they have a mobile phone.
Also you said "masks are normal in asia. iphones are popular in asia". We know how much Apple chase big sales/profits and they would have access to better market research than we do - I'm sure if they knew the lack of mask compatibility was directly affecting sales that much they would have introduced TouchID or updated FaceID within the space of 18 months don't you? That's two full years of sales they're missing out on if they don't incorporate something into the 13 - they're not stupid.
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I've provided plenty!
Hehe... you got me on the survey. I did indeed extrapolate and assume. I was a little sneaky there! 👻
Yes there are some people who prefer TouchID over FaceId, but if Apple supplied a MaskID it would go a long way to alleviating that concern for Android users or just users in general in my opinion.
Apple is an oil tanker at this point. It took them a year to intro watch unlock. The rumor is that they have tested MaskID but it probably won't make it into the 13. So Apple is definitely looking into this.
I'm saying that if Apple intro MaskID it will significantly help sell the iphone 13. You can disagree, but I will be proven correct at some point. People want some better way to unlock their phone with a mask. Whether that is touchID or MaskID it's going to be a big selling point for the phone.
Apples and oranges. No one cares about naming traditions for iterative software updates. Flagship hardware on the other hand?
On top of that, you’d have to open it up for any significant interactions with the device anyway - that in my opinion was amongst the reasons why flip phones ultimately disappeared from the mainstream market.