Mac mini: 4k @ 120hz?

[Zorast]

Sure,

But I donw know why it says BILLBOARD

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I never updated its firmware

Can u start the Firmwaretool and show us Adapter Informations when clicking on Firmware version?
U need a Windows Machine with USB-C for that.

And can u plz upload ure EDID which u used to get RGB 10b 4k@120hz ?

 

[esfrost]

Guys, we have to come up with a solution to update these adapters on a Mac. Im sure Im not the only one who doesnt have a Windows machine on hand to do this. Any other updater tool for this process?

 

[nandakke]

GOOD NEWS GUYS !!

Plz all u if u have an VMM7100 installed. If yes u can use this Firmware to get 4:4:4 4k@120hz 8b Without the need of editing a EDID !! Plz test and share ure results

Installer and tutorial is inside the zip !!

New CUSTOM Firmware Name is: Spyder_fw_USBC_CM_7.02.130forMac.fullrom

Hopefully a 10b solution will come next days !!
How can u test if u have an VMM7100 ?? Open the updater, it will show u the information!
U need a Windows Machine with USB C for the updater!

When u flash the ROM, Then delete old EDID Stuff(Restore factory defaults) and reconnect the Adapter. Then change resultion from 4k@60hz to 4k@120hz 2 times., then it switched to 4:4:4 !

EDID Export of my LG 42 C2 when this Adapter is also connect, u can test this EDID also on another Adapters if u want !!

Sadly bad news. This firmware breaks Belkin's USB-C to HDMI cable getting the result of no signal at all. There seems to be slightly few user of this cable, but be aware that there cloud be some dogles/cables/adapters which embraces custom firmware.

 

[Djlild7hina]

This Adapter with VMM7100 can be upgraded with the Firmware I posted before to get 4:4:4 4k@120hz 8b

Cable Matters 48Gbps 8K 60Hz USB C auf HDMI Kabel 1,8m für 4K 120Hz und HDR - kompatibel mit Thunderbolt 3, USB4 und Thunderbolt 4 Port - (maximale Auflösung auf jedem Mac beträgt 4K@60Hz)

Cable Matters 48Gbps USB-C-zu-HDMI-Kabel unterstützt 4K 120Hz und 8K 60Hz HDR - kompatibel mit Thunderbolt-3- und Thunderbolt-4-Port - 1,8 m - maximale Auflösung auf jedem Mac über diesen Adapter:...

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I think any VM7100 can be upgraded with this Firmware like I did on an Anker Adapter!
But no guarantee !! I ordered again this Adapter to test this Firmware also with them!!

Hm I have that adapter and I can only get 720p at 120

 

[Zorast]

Hm I have that adapter and I can only get 720p at 120

Can u share Firmware info in Update Tool ?

 

[Zorast]

Sadly bad news. This firmware breaks Belkin's USB-C to HDMI cable getting the result of no signal at all. There seems to be slightly few user of this cable, but be aware that there cloud be some dogles/cables/adapters which embraces custom firmware.

U can flash the old firmware again.

 

[esfrost]

@AironMan do you know any other way besides using windows to update the firmware on the Cable Matters adapter? I mean its a bummer that Cable Matters doesn't have the mac version of their tool.

 

[PatricioooAG]

@AironMan do you know any other way besides using windows to update the firmware on the Cable Matters adapter? I mean its a bummer that Cable Matters doesn't have the mac version of their tool.

I try Parallels with Windows 11 with no luck.

 

[Djlild7hina]

Can u share Firmware info in Update Tool ?

Screenshots attached.

Is this the Anker one you're using?

Anker USB-C to HDMI Adapter - 8K@60Hz or 4K@144Hz, for MacBook, iPad Pro, Pixelbook, XPS, and More

Anker 518 USB-C Adapter (8K HDMI) B2B - UN (excluded CN, Europe) Gray Iteration 1

www.amazon.com

 

[prchr]

upgrading to ventura solved the issue. 120hz works with but not with rgb and it looks really bad. I'll just keep rgb 10b @ 60hz for now.

If anyone knows how to swtich to rgb, let us know.

 

[Zorast]

Screenshots attached.

Is this the Anker one you're using?

Anker USB-C to HDMI Adapter - 8K@60Hz or 4K@144Hz, for MacBook, iPad Pro, Pixelbook, XPS, and More

Anker 518 USB-C Adapter (8K HDMI) B2B - UN (excluded CN, Europe) Gray Iteration 1

www.amazon.com

Thats crazy ! Yes this is the Anker I use with this Firmware !

 

[Djlild7hina]

Thats crazy ! Yes this is the Anker I use with this Firmware !

Maybe it's something with the C9 compared to newer CX-C2? I have my Sabrent one coming in today with a different HDMI cable. If that doesn't work I'll order the Anker

 

[Zorast]

Maybe it's something with the C9 compared to newer CX-C2? I have my Sabrent one coming in today with a different HDMI cable. If that doesn't work I'll order the Anker

Iam not sure if the C9 can do 4:4:4 4k@120hz with 40 Gbps ! U have to check the bandwidth of your HDMI Ports. Also an good HDMI 2.1 48 Gbps Cable has to use with that.

Something like that:

KabelDirekt – 8K/4K HDMI-2.1-Kabel – 1,5 m – von HDMI zertifiziert für höchste Qualität (8K@60Hz, Ultra High Speed/48G, neuester Standard, optimal für PS5/Xbox, Monitor/TV/Beamer, schwarz)

KabelDirekt – 1,5 m – 8K HDMI 2.1 Ultra High Speed HDMI Kabel, zertifiziert (48G, 8K@60 Hz, neuester Standard, offiziell lizenziert/getestet für perfekte Qualität, optimal für PS5/Xbox, blau/schwarz)

www.amazon.de

 

[Djlild7hina]

Iam not sure if the C9 can do 4:4:4 4k@120hz with 40 Gbps ! U have to check the bandwidth of your HDMI Ports. Also an good HDMI 2.1 48 Gbps Cable has to use with that.

Something linke that:

KabelDirekt – 8K/4K HDMI-2.1-Kabel – 1,5 m – von HDMI zertifiziert für höchste Qualität (8K@60Hz, Ultra High Speed/48G, neuester Standard, optimal für PS5/Xbox, Monitor/TV/Beamer, schwarz)

KabelDirekt – 1,5 m – 8K HDMI 2.1 Ultra High Speed HDMI Kabel, zertifiziert (48G, 8K@60 Hz, neuester Standard, offiziell lizenziert/getestet für perfekte Qualität, optimal für PS5/Xbox, blau/schwarz)

www.amazon.de

The C9 supports 4:4:4 4k@120 12bit with 48 Gbps I believe. Not sure about 4:4:4 40 Gbps

 

[Zorast]

The C9 supports 4:4:4 4k@120 12bit with 48 Gbps I believe. Not sure about 4:4:4 40 Gbps

Iam not sure if 40Gbps is enough. When looking to @Alan Spiegel he has an C1 with RGB 10b 4k@120hz working. Dont know if RGB has less Bandwidth compare to uncompressed 4:4:4. Audio takes also some Gbps i think.

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[Abbas]

Not complaining, just an observation: while 120Hz definitely feels leaps and bounds beyond what my LG C1 looked like @60Hz, I can't shake the feeling that the UI in macOS doesn't feel as fluid as, let's say Windows 11 on my main rig. Anyone else make that comparison? And am I beating a dead horse here (e.g. miss something in this thread)?

Edit: I should add/clarify that this doesn't just apply to Windows - before I upgrade to an NVIDIA GPU, I was running a Hackintosh system with Ventura using a AMD 6900 XT and that one felt just as good as Windows (in terms of fluidity of the UI, scrolling etc. @120Hz).

Completely agree with you on this. On my C1, I have the M2 Pro Mini connected as well as my Windows PC with RTX 3090 Ti. Both are running at 4K/120 and the TV confirms that. However, the Windows machine feels butter smooth while the MAc just doesn't feel its running at 120Hz- even though everything is set to 120Hz.

 

[Zorast]

upgrading to ventura solved the issue. 120hz works with but not with rgb and it looks really bad. I'll just keep rgb 10b @ 60hz for now.

If anyone knows how to swtich to rgb, let us know.

Yes u have to use Ventura. Iam Also on Beta Programm Ventura with latest release yesterday. 13.2.1 (22D68). U have to press many time green button to get information how the connection is to your lg tv. U have to be in PC Mode as well.

 

[Djlild7hina]

Maybe it's something with the C9 compared to newer CX-C2? I have my Sabrent one coming in today with a different HDMI cable. If that doesn't work I'll order the Anker

Different HDMI cable still showing 422. Sabrent is a no go, only getting 720 @ 120 option
Just ordered the Anker

 

[JuicyGoomba]

Completely agree with you on this. On my C1, I have the M2 Pro Mini connected as well as my Windows PC with RTX 3090 Ti. Both are running at 4K/120 and the TV confirms that. However, the Windows machine feels butter smooth while the MAc just doesn't feel its running at 120Hz- even though everything is set to 120Hz.

Sadly I have to inform you that Apple haven't optimised any of their software across both MacOS and iOS for UI fluidity and performance since Jobs' passing.

I know that's the generic response on here whenever something relating to quality goes downhill, but in this case it's the truth. Unfortunately as you can see by this very thread, most people either have no other device to compare to so can't see how bad Mac OS is, or simply don't care or see it.

I enjoy iOS but even on a 13 Pro it looks noticeably more janky when it comes to animations compared to my ancient Pixel 5.

Edit: as a side note, using a Hackintosh with powerful hardware likely brute forces it's way through the choppiness/stutter.

 

[Technotron]

Completely agree with you on this. On my C1, I have the M2 Pro Mini connected as well as my Windows PC with RTX 3090 Ti. Both are running at 4K/120 and the TV confirms that. However, the Windows machine feels butter smooth while the MAc just doesn't feel its running at 120Hz- even though everything is set to 120Hz.

Sadly I have to inform you that Apple haven't optimised any of their software across both MacOS and iOS for UI fluidity and performance since Jobs' passing.

I know that's the generic response on here whenever something relating to quality goes downhill, but in this case it's the truth. Unfortunately as you can see by this very thread, most people either have no other device to compare to so can't see how bad Mac OS is, or simply don't care or see it.

I enjoy iOS but even on a 13 Pro it looks noticeably more janky when it comes to animations compared to my ancient Pixel 5.

Edit: as a side note, using a Hackintosh with powerful hardware likely brute forces it's way through the choppiness/stutter.

As suggested in here, using a mouse with a high polling rate (so with a 2.4G receiver or cable) fixes a lot of these issues for me. Dragging and scrolling really seems to be affected by most bluetooth devices. Apparently the official Apple Magic Trackpad mitigates this too (don’t have one so can’t try).

 

[Abbas]

Sadly I have to inform you that Apple haven't optimised any of their software across both MacOS and iOS for UI fluidity and performance since Jobs' passing.

I know that's the generic response on here whenever something relating to quality goes downhill, but in this case it's the truth. Unfortunately as you can see by this very thread, most people either have no other device to compare to so can't see how bad Mac OS is, or simply don't care or see it.

I enjoy iOS but even on a 13 Pro it looks noticeably more janky when it comes to animations compared to my ancient Pixel 5.

Edit: as a side note, using a Hackintosh with powerful hardware likely brute forces it's way through the choppiness/stutter.

Not sure if I agree with you on this- I find the iPad Pro, my iPhone 14 Pro Max and my MacBook Pro 14 run a LOT smoother than this new M2 Pro Mini. Things are so much more fluid on those.

 

[N30S]

Is there a way to make sure the adapter has the VMM7100 chip beforehand?

I bought this one two days ago, and the one I got had the 6100 in it...

Cable Matters 48Gbps USB C auf HDMI 2.1 Adapter (USB C HDMI Adapter) für 4K 120Hz und 8K 60Hz HDR - Thunderbolt 3, USB4, Thunderbolt 4 Port kompatibel-Maximale Auflösung auf jedem Mac beträgt 4K 60Hz

Cable Matters 48Gbps USB-C-zu-HDMI-Adapter-Kabel unterstützt 4K 120Hz und 8K 60Hz HDR - kompatibel mit Thunderbolt-3 und Thunderbolt-4-Port - 1,8m - maximale unterstützte Auflösung auf jedem Mac 4...

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(According to the FW tool, it was made in mid 2020.)

 

[Abbas]

As suggested in here, using a mouse with a high polling rate (so with a 2.4G receiver or cable) fixes a lot of these issues for me. Dragging and scrolling really seems to be affected by most bluetooth devices. Apparently the official Apple Magic Trackpad mitigates this too (don’t have one so can’t try).

Possibly but using the Magic trackpad, if I have sent an inertia-based scroll to a large webpage, that mouse interaction if only there for the initial command. However, the web page scroll continues to scroll and not as smoothly as issuing the same command on Windows.

 

[Technotron]

Interesting… you know I can only speak from my own experience but 120Hz/4k on my Hackintosh with a 6900XT (with Ventura I might add) was so damn fluid I never even questioned it. But I might be biased, plus I was already using the same Razer Viper 2.4G mouse since it was the same rig as my Windows 11 installation which I use for gaming.

 

[Abbas]

Interesting… you know I can only speak from my own experience but 120Hz/4k on my Hackintosh with a 6900XT (with Ventura I might add) was so damn fluid I never even questioned it. But I might be biased, plus I was already using the same Razer Viper 2.4G mouse since it was the same rig as my Windows 11 installation which Inusw for gaming.

I do have access to a Logitech 2.4GHz receiver so let me try using that with the Mac and report back.