MP 1,1-5,1 Mac pro 2008 vs OS Sierra (Resolved)

[Augustots]

However from what I read it seems to work on the mac pro 3.1, but I don't understand what changes in performance?
I mean with this OWC installed by putting an SSD that I already have, performance increases but how? in the sense that when I start the mac pro instead of taking 1 minute like now, after it starts in 30 seconds?
Or also with final cut pro X increases the video editing performance making it faster?
So is it really worth it? however the price is very low so in my opinion it is definitely worth it.
thank you.

 

[KeesMacPro]

Yes, it will improve overall performance , if it's worth it is up to you.
Another option is to use the SSD (in SATA bay or in the Accelsior) for the OS and make a RAID setup with drives (preferably SSD) installed in the SATA bays only for data (e.g. Final Cut Pro) this will improve performance too.

 

[Augustots]

Yes it will work but:
- only PCIe slot 1 and 2 are 2.0x16 , slot 3 and 4 are x4 = very slow=no I/O speed improvement compared to the SATA bays
So with the GPU in slot 1, you'll have to put the Accelsior S in slot 2 (directly above the GPU)
- the SSD will be seen as external by the OS
- even installed in slot 2, speed improvement is in real life hardly noticeable and IMO not worth the cost

sorry see attached photos, I put the GPU in slot 4 and right?

slot 1 as you see in the attachment is free and right? or do I have to put the gpu on slot 1 and on the one above I will then have to put the OWC?

thank you

 

[KeesMacPro]

scusa vedi foto allegate, ho messo la GPU nello slot 4 e giusto?
lo slot 1 come vedi in allegato è libero e giusto? oppure devo mettere la gpu sullo slot 1 e su quello sopra dovrò poi mettere l'OWC?
grazie

There are numbers on the PCI fan and on the pcb that indicate the slot.
You installed the GPU in slot2 .
You can install the Accelsior in slot 2 and move the GPU to slot 1 (or vice versa).

 

[Augustots]

well i just changed everything, i put the GPU on slot 1 see attachment and then i will put OWC in slot 2.
thanks friend.

 

[Augustots]

So in summary, I buy OWC on Amazon and then I put my SSD with high sierra in it and then I put the OWC in slot2!
and I will have better performance in all senses, am I right?
thank you.

 

[KeesMacPro]

Afirmativo .

 

[Augustots]

grazie

 

[AlexMaximus]

Sorry do you think this works on my mac pro 2008? it is more convenient for me to buy on Amazon, thanks.

https://www.amazon.it/OWC-SSDACL6G-...mt=b&hvrand=3623477004189192489&hvtargid=kwd- 295753405659 & hydadcr = 18637_1763938 & parole chiave = owc + accelsior + s & qid = 1618645835 & sr = 8-1

That is the correct card. This would be a very important upgrade for you if you have that pci slot still empty. It’s just 60 bucks. I really felt a noticeable boost in booting and loading times, and you also get one traditional hdd slide back. Assuming that SATA SSD was in you standard slide with an 2,5‘ adapter, you can also use an old laptop 2,5‘ HDD in that slide to have more storage.

 

[Augustots]

thanks friend, I placed the order yesterday, tomorrow on my day it arrives and then I install it and let's see what changes, thanks again.

 

[AlexMaximus]

thanks friend, I placed the order yesterday, tomorrow on my day it arrives and then I install it and let's see what changes, thanks again.

One more thing..

Sounds great, you should be fine by now, knowing you squeeze every drop of performance out of it. Seeing those picture, that you provided, it looks like you have plenty of pci slots left for future updates. If you plan on to purchase a second ssd in the future, you can still boost your speed one more time. It would be slightly more expensive but would provide another increment in speed. NVME blades don’t work on the 3.1, but youcan use an AHCI blade, the predecessor of NVME of today. I thought they are not available any more, but this morning I have found a listing of those rare drives.
Have a look here:

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Keep that in mind, sometimes it makes sense to split the boot drive with the video content drive.

 

[Augustots]

thanks

 

[Augustots]

Now my OWC has arrived and I have installed it on the mac pro see attachment.

 

[Augustots]

I did a test with Geekbench to see differences and you can see the difference in flooded, on the left without OWC and on the right with OWC but the differences don't seem very high to me or am I wrong?
Qunso I turn on the mac pro instead I see that it starts up faster, I still have to try with FPCX how it behaves as soon as I have time I will do a test, thanks to all.
Honestly I would have expected better performance but maybe I am expecting too much.

 

[Augustots]

Instead I have a problem, I updated high sierra as per your advice with the appropriate application, but when I open the mac pro on the apple store a message appears as in the attachment that says:
Security Update 2020-005 10.13.8 update improves macOS security.
But this message only appears on the Apple Store and that's it.
So should I upgrade or leave it alone?
thank you.

 

[KeesMacPro]

did a test with Geekbench to see differences and you can see the difference in flooded, on the left without OWC and on the right with OWC but the differences don't seem very high to me or am I wrong?
Qunso I turn on the mac pro instead I see that it starts up faster, I still have to try with FPCX how it behaves as soon as I have time I will do a test, thanks to all.

Geekbench is for testing CPU and/or GPU performance.

You could (for free) install e.g. Blackmagic disk speed test to see the In/Out performance of the disk .

 

[Augustots]

I tried to make video editing with fcpx and I put all the 4k video files I use in a 2tb sata hd, and then instead the same 4k video files in a 1tb ssd, pwr see if there are differences, but I did not notice speed differences in editing, so I wonder if it is worth using a 2.5 SSD for video files or a 3.5 sata HD, what do you recommend?

 

[KeesMacPro]

I tried to make video editing with fcpx and I put all the 4k video files I use in a 2tb sata hd, and then instead the same 4k video files in a 1tb ssd, pwr see if there are differences, but I did not notice speed differences in editing, so I wonder if it is worth using a 2.5 SSD for video files or a 3.5 sata HD, what do you recommend?

Generally the advantage with faster drives for data is noticeable when the files are bigger= faster loading time.
TBH I dont work with video , but for audio applications, there's a lot of reading from the drive while working on projects, so fast reading multiple tracks/samples etc is an advantage or even necessary for bigger projects.

 

[Augustots]

Instead I have a problem, I updated high sierra as per your advice with the appropriate application, but when I open the mac pro on the apple store a message appears as in the attachment that says:
Security Update 2020-005 10.13.8 update improves macOS security.
But this message only appears on the Apple Store and that's it.
So should I upgrade or leave it alone?
thank you.

help my please!

 

[Augustots]

Generally the advantage with faster drives for data is noticeable when the files are bigger= faster loading time.
TBH I dont work with video , but for audio applications, there's a lot of reading from the drive while working on projects, so fast reading multiple tracks/samples etc is an advantage or even necessary for bigger projects.

thank you

 

[KeesMacPro]

Installed easily I've had no problems updating it using SilentKnight.

AFAIK this update is only a security update but anyway:

To avoid Nvidia driver issues , i would install the GT120 before you update.
After the update you can update Nvidia web driver and install the GT960 again.
This way you will not have an updated OS without Nvidia driver = no working GT960.

 

[AlexMaximus]

thank you

Its all about adjusting your timeline..

 

[Augustots]

Sorry, I did the test and in 4k with native files unfortunately the mac pro 2008 fails to work, in the timeline of fcpx the video shoots a lot even if I convert the files to apple prores 422, I also tried with the proxy files but I don't the quality is very convincing, unfortunately it is a 13 year old pc and I cannot expect miracles.
But I wanted to ask does an AMD RX 580 4GB GPU work on my mac pro?
thank you.

 

[Augustots]

Now I have installed a gtx 960 4gb much lower than the rx 580 4gb, so if I could install the 580 I would have benefits in fcpx with 4k files converted to apple prores 422? I would no longer have the jerkiness in the timeline? or would it not change anything because the problem is the 2 Xeons now obsolete?

 

[AlexMaximus]

Now I have installed a gtx 960 4gb much lower than the rx 580 4gb, so if I could install the 580 I would have benefits in fcpx with 4k files converted to apple prores 422? I would no longer have the jerkiness in the timeline? or would it not change anything because the problem is the 2 Xeons now obsolete?

The AMD 580 stems from 2017 from a time when Apple introduced Metal. A year before, it was the last period to have fast Nvidia cards with web drivers. At that time you have been locked in, meaning to put in the fastest Nvidia card and stay on High Sierra or live with AMD from now on. For you this means you stand at the intersection turning left or right. Option #1 is to stay with your current OSX and put the maximum Nvidia in there. That would be a Nvidia Titan (Maxwell) card or a fast 1080Ti. That would be the end of the road for that direction. However the hot question remains if fcpx supports gpu hardware acceleration. A MP 3.1 expert will need to answer this.
Option #2 is to shoot for a metal gpu solution and discard the Nvidia / Web driver option. For the 3.1 user you run into more obstacles because Metal drivers are supported (for the 580) in a later and newer OS X Only. For you this means you need to use the dosdude patch to have a newer OS X with metal support. But compared to 5.1 users, your cpu does not work with certain required Intel standards. Here you will need an additional work-around to simulate that Missing standard with a software hack that is available. I guess it’s possible, but you will need to talk to someone that has experience with that work around. Maybe TsiAlex can help out. Regardless the path you go, it would be best to have hardware gpu acceleration to unlock more power in fcpx. Unfortunately my know-how is limited to the 5.1 model.

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