macOS 12 Monterey on Unsupported Macs Thread

[Tockman]

What is apple watch unlock? Might I inquire?

 

[davemp88]

But yeah, this is critical cuz I wanna make sure my macs not frozen, I know I can see the progress moving EVER-SO slowly, but it was an 11gb update, so I assume that’s why. Does it matter if I used Mr. McIntosh’s full installer package for Beta 3 with the OCLP post install volume patches, and then an OTA update for Beta 4? (Which was again, 11gb, when I thought the delta update from Beta 3->4 should only be like 2.3 gb? Should I have just used his full installer? The progress bar looks like it’s moving so I’m reticent to do a hard shut down just yet. If I have to, I’m not even sure what it’ll boot to or if I should hold option down?

 

[davemp88]

This is where the progress bar is at and seems to be slowly creeping along

 

[amaze1499]

This is where the progress bar is at and seems to be slowly creeping along

Happened to me too. If it doesn't say "installing ... x min left" it has probably booted into the wrong EFI.

 

[borp99]

So with MacPro3,1-5,1, each physical USB port has 2 controllers hooked up: OHCI (USB 1.1) and EHCI (USB 2.0)
The idea is that lower bandwidth devices won't take resources up from the EHCI controller and so behind the scenes the OHCI will take over that device. When you add an explicit USB 2.0 Hub (or 3.0), the EHCI controller must take over that port. OHCI and EHCI cannot both be active on the same port.

This leads to the second point of trying to route the USB data lines to a USB 2.0 port. Unfortunately this would partially work (you don't need the 5v and Ground present) but the OHCI controller will still take over the port. This is the reason we need a USB 2.0 device/hub in-between the chain to force the hardware into using the EHCI controller

Whether you can force the EHCI solely via software is unknown, I have some experiments planned this week to see if it can be done via macOS (similar to how FakePCIID_XHCIMux.kext functions, only in reverse)

Thank you for explaining further in detail. This helps me allot! As it happens, last year I installed an old USB 2.0 4-port hub (which I had lying around from years ago) inside my MP 5,1, underneath the processor tray; cutting 4 dremel rectangles through the cheese grater mesh at the back to allow plug insertion. I took a USB 2.0 4-wire feed off the lower front panel port, via a soldered-in internal cable to a Type-B plug inserted into the back of the hub, and blanked that front port off. I experimented with additional 5v power from one of the HD SATA ports but the always-residual 0.05A trickle flow prevented the Mac from sleeping. In the end, I found that just plugging in a dummy DC adapter plug into the hub, where the original 2.5A wall-wart adapter would have plugged in, seemed to help the hub function better. It's handy having 7 'internal' USB 2 ports on the back of my machine, without having to add an addition PCIe card. Therefore, I should be able to supply my mPCIe adapter card (for the BCM943602CDP) with a USB 2 hub feed without too much trouble. Just a bit more soldering!

 

[davemp88]

Happened to me too. If it doesn't say "installing ... x min left" it has probably booted into the wrong EFI.

simply enough, just did a hard restart, turned it on and it booted right into Beta 4!

 

[khronokernel]

macOS 12.0 Beta 4 (21A5294g) InstallAssistant dropped:

• http://swcdn.apple.com/content/down...vvhi96da8x9fsq9eljh1a649/InstallAssistant.pkg

 

[Vacusuck]

What's up with Bluetooth for an iMac13,1? My magic mouse works, but the center button does not work. This seems related to the problem other folks have reported. Is there a way to resolve it?

 

[davemp88]

Ahh. Well, speaking of Apple Watches, I’m starting a company fixing EVERY SERIES Apple Watch software/firmware issues. Message me if interested?

 

[adam25255]

Oh well MBP 9.2, beta 4, BT shows turned off and Trust BT mouse moves only on X axis on top of the screen., keft and right buttons are working. Address: NULL Any fix yet?

 

[legsp]

Thank you for this update - I have taken the advice from above and reverted back to Beta3 until this issue can be resolved as not having full control over the track pad was a real nuisance.

Thank you everyone for the continued support and assistance provided on this site - lets see what comes with beta 5 - hopefully this BT issue especially on the 2012 machines can be resolved.

Hey, Steve— could you point me toward a guide on how to downgrade from beta 4 to beta 3? Or did you just have a Time Machine backup?

thanks!

 

[Stex]

@khronokernel (and @borp99) quick ping here to let you know my BT is back (for all the rest of you, it was discussed over the past 2 days in the latebloom thread). I am not sure exactly why BT is back as I did several changes fairly close to each other (not a good idea of course) but I suspect adding all my HDD and USB 3.0 PCIe card as well as USB 3.0 hub did something. Previously, I was testing latebloom with a rather vanilla setup (only NMVe card with BS and one 2.5" SSD with OC). So far, I've had success in getting BT to show up and work after every boot (cold or warm, even lukewarm haha). I'm not assuming it's all resolved, of course. And I am already thinking about the plan B in getting that USB hub in there as you (both) further explained in this thread. Thanks!

EDIT: Sorry but this comment refers to Big Sur 11.5.1 testing... technically OT! Apologies!

 

[furdi]

Just upgraded my MBP 9,2 non retina from macOS Monterey Beta 3 to Beta 4 and got through some issues (for the very first time since I've started 'playing' with macOS Big Sur on my unsupported Mac)... I have used the OCPL 0.2.2 since I couldn't figure out how to use 0.2.3. ))
First issue - the install got syuck mid way and stayed there for about 2 hours until I have done a hard reset, chose the EFI Boot and it restarted in Beta 4! Finished the procedure untill the end and everything seemed fine until I have realised that my magic mouse doesn't scroll the pages! It works fine selecting and opening apps but no scrolling
Then checked the BT and it is off... So I guess no handoff which is a huge problem for me...

Can anyone give me an ideea if I can get back to Beta 3 without having to loose my settings (hard restore)? Thank you so much guys!

 

[borp99]

@khronokernel (and @borp99) quick ping here to let you know my BT is back (for all the rest of you, it was discussed over the past 2 days in the latebloom thread). I am not sure exactly why BT is back as I did several changes fairly close to each other (not a good idea of course) but I suspect adding all my HDD and USB 3.0 PCIe card as well as USB 3.0 hub did something. Previously, I was testing latebloom with a rather vanilla setup (only NMVe card with BS and one 2.5" SSD with OC). So far, I've had success in getting BT to show up and work after every boot (cold or warm, even lukewarm haha). I'm not assuming it's all resolved, of course. And I am already thinking about the plan B in getting that USB hub in there as you (both) further explained in this thread. Thanks!

EDIT: Sorry but this comment refers to Big Sur 11.5.1 testing... technically OT! Apologies!

Hi Stex, my BT card on the mPCIe adapter is working fine under Big Sur (11.2.3 and 11.5 test volume) for me, so your observations only confirm this. It's Monterey that's the problem. Maybe you can DL the installer, divide off part of a drive and test it out and report back. I don't run any apps on my 5,1 that warrant a faster or newer model, so keeping my trusty 2010 Mac chugging along is an enjoyable experience, both mentally and financially.

 

[Danwilderspin]

I know this is sacrilege but can you install this natively on an unsupported Mac (2015 MacBook 12) and just run the patcher without using oclp?

 

[chris1111]

I know this is sacrilege but can you install this natively on an unsupported Mac (2015 MacBook 12) and just run the patcher without using oclp?

More sacrilege is you can install monterey on Late 2013 MacBook Pro without patcher and Without OPLP only with OpenCore on EFI ?

 

[nekton1]

Thank you for explaining further in detail. This helps me allot! As it happens, last year I installed an old USB 2.0 4-port hub (which I had lying around from years ago) inside my MP 5,1, underneath the processor tray; cutting 4 dremel rectangles through the cheese grater mesh at the back to allow plug insertion. I took a USB 2.0 4-wire feed off the lower front panel port, via a soldered-in internal cable to a Type-B plug inserted into the back of the hub, and blanked that front port off. I experimented with additional 5v power from one of the HD SATA ports but the always-residual 0.05A trickle flow prevented the Mac from sleeping. In the end, I found that just plugging in a dummy DC adapter plug into the hub, where the original 2.5A wall-wart adapter would have plugged in, seemed to help the hub function better. It's handy having 7 'internal' USB 2 ports on the back of my machine, without having to add an addition PCIe card. Therefore, I should be able to supply my mPCIe adapter card (for the BCM943602CDP) with a USB 2 hub feed without too much trouble. Just a bit more soldering!

Might this PCIe 1x riser card bring back BT support to cMP 3,1 by adding an extra antenna and moving the BCM943602CDP card now in the mPCIe slot to it?

 

[khronokernel]

Might this PCIe 1x riser card bring back BT support to cMP 3,1 by adding an extra antenna and moving the BCM943602CDP card now in the mPCIe slot to it?

That exact adapter no, as there's no USB header to route. You'd need something that exposes a dedicated USB port you can manually plug in

 

[nekton1]

Thanks khronokernel.
Can you recommend a PCIe riser that will do the job?

 

[khronokernel]

Can you recommend a PCIe riser that will do the job?

I had bought mine back in 2016 so a bit difficult to find the exact model however there's many similar ones online. Below is a 12+6 pin Apple Wireless to PCIe x1 adapter, in the top right you see there's a dedicated plug. This is used to route a USB cable from it to either an internal header or rear USB ports.

The one I own is extremely similar, main difference being that it uses a standard Mini USB socket and cable to route bluetooth. The exact connector is irrelevant, all that matters is that there's USB data lines being passthrough

 

[nekton1]

Thanks khronokernel. I've scoured ebay, Amazon and Alibaba and cannot find the exact same card configuration. Plenty of 3 antenna port cards but none with 4 antennas and USB header. Have to keep looking.

 

[KennyW]

Might this PCIe 1x riser card bring back BT support to cMP 3,1 by adding an extra antenna and moving the BCM943602CDP card now in the mPCIe slot to it?

I can confirm what khronokernel said. That green mPCIe riser doesn't work in Monterey.
I used that in my USB3 mod to my iMac to hold my new Wifi/BT module in my iMac 2010 (see my signature).
But the Wifi/BT module is on another small adapter board with USB feeds before inserted into the mPCIe riser.
Both Wifi and BT work in Big Sur but not in Monterey.
That should be more related to software than hardware.

I had bought mine back in 2016 so a bit difficult to find the exact model however there's many similar ones online. Below is a 12+6 pin Apple Wireless to PCIe x1 adapter, in the top right you see there's a dedicated plug. This is used to route a USB cable from it to either an internal header or rear USB ports.

The one I own is extremely similar, main difference being that it uses a standard Mini USB socket and cable to route bluetooth. The exact connector is irrelevant, all that matters is that there's USB data lines being passthrough

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This seems to hold the Wifi/BT module directly without an intermediate adapter.
Does both Wifi & BT work in Monterey beta 4?

 

[nekton1]

I can confirm what khronokernel said. That green mPCIe riser doesn't work in Monterey.
I used that in my USB3 mod to my iMac to hold my new Wifi/BT module in my iMac 2010 (see my signature).
But the Wifi/BT module is on another small adapter board with USB feeds before inserted into the mPCIe riser.
Both Wifi and BT work in Big Sur but not in Monterey.
That should be more related to software than hardware.


This seems to hold the Wifi/BT module directly without an intermediate adapter.
Does both Wifi & BT work in Monterey beta 4?

On closer inspection of the mPCIe adapter card I am currently using between the cMP mPCI slot and the BCM943602CDP card, there is a pair of pins that are not connected but look like they might be pins for USB power. I will try to get a shot to post, but it is an awkward and dark/obstructed position. I wonder if bringing power to them from a back USB2 port might solve the issue?

 

[borp99]

I'm happy to report that, following khronokernel's advice, connecting the data + and - wires from an upgrade mPCIe adapter to the middle 2 pins of a USB Type A plug works to get BT off the newer card (eg. BCM943602CDP) working with Monterey 12.0 beta 4...if the USB plug is plugged into a USB 2 or 3 hub.

As previously mentioned, I built a 4-port USB 2 hub into the lower back part of my 5,1 case. I saw a cheap 7 port hub today on eBay, with 5 outward facing ports and 2 on the back (which would be ideal to keep the BT/USB wires 'internal' and save having the USB cable otherwise dangling through one of the cheesegrater mesh holes to the outside). However, there'd be no reason not to do this [even as an experiment] - to plug the BT feed plug into a completely external hub, if you don't mind extra components and cables on the floor. Airdrop now works as expected. As I seemingly am lucky to also have my 2 Ethernet ports active, I'm now back to 100% hardware functionality with Monterey. Apple better not change anything else before the RC!

NB. I also had to connect my wired Apple Extended keyboard into the USB 2 hub I added, as it didn't work plugging it into one of the back USB 2 ports when running Monterey. I have a Microsoft USB 1,1 mouse plugged into the keyboard hub. Maybe that was why the MP5,1 wouldn't recognise those devices. Everything was fine using the back ports with all of the Big Sur flavours.

 

[nekton1]

I'm happy to report that, following khronokernel's advice, connecting the data + and - wires from an upgrade mPCIe adapter to the middle 2 pins of a USB Type A plug works to get BT off the newer card (eg. BCM943602CDP) working with Monterey 12.0 beta 4...if the USB plug is plugged into a USB 2 or 3 hub.

As previously mentioned, I built a 4-port USB 2 hub into the lower back part of my 5,1 case. I saw a cheap 7 port hub today on eBay, with 5 outward facing ports and 2 on the back (which would be ideal to keep the BT/USB wires 'internal' and save having the USB cable otherwise dangling through one of the cheesegrater mesh holes to the outside). However, there'd be no reason not to do this [even as an experiment] - to plug the BT feed plug into a completely external hub, if you don't mind extra components and cables on the floor. Airdrop now works as expected. As I seemingly am lucky to also have my 2 Ethernet ports active, I'm now back to 100% hardware support with Monterey. Apple better not change anything else before the RC!

Could you be more explicit? Which pins exacty on the mPCIe adapter are the data + and data – lines? A diagram or picture would help greatly.