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Consistency is great, but some UIs work because they're specifically crafted for the interaction model of that OS. The Settings design works on mobile because you only see a small section of the available settings at once, and controlling that view is literally in your hands. iOS generally has few settings you need to configure more than once, and the ones you typically access the most are right at the top, pre-scroll.

I don't like the new Settings app layout and I didn't like the old one. I'm consistent :) The old one had icons that didn't always clearly represent what was in them, and sometimes they moved around as new things were added during the move from Big Sur to Monterey and through some betas.

The new one is a valiant attempt but it's ben done half-heartedly imo. I'm hoping for some more attention paid to it during later betas.
How do you even enable it? lol
Control Panel icon thingy in the menu bar.
 
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I don't like the new Settings app layout and I didn't like the old one. I'm consistent :) The old one had icons that didn't always clearly represent what was in them, and sometimes they moved around as new things were added during the move from Big Sur to Monterey and through some betas.

The new one is a valiant attempt but it's ben done half-heartedly imo. I'm hoping for some more attention paid to it during later betas.

Control Panel icon thingy in the menu bar.
HAHA yes you are!

and HUH? do you have to be in certain programs? I'm lost.. lol
 
and HUH? do you have to be in certain programs? I'm lost.. lol
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question to mail:
is it finally possible to "zoom" in a mail message like on ios / ipados?
 
Is yours flat?
No they are angled when sitting in the background, this is on a 2018 MacBook Air. When you move a window over to the left they disappear and when you mouse over they reappear flat. There is also an option to auto-hide the left panel at all times.

One option that would be useful is a toggle to turn desktop icons on and off. It's nice how they auto hide when in a window for a clean look but when you're dragging and dropping items multiple icons from the desktop to a say Finder window this is a bit of a pain.

Also hopefully this will come in later betas but there's no right click contextual menus so all feels quite basic at the moment, it would be nice to right click on the side panel and close all windows for example.
 
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Who else thinks that the white is just too darn bright for backgrounds?
 

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Saving window/app groups would be great.

That’s why Stage Manager should have been on the Right side of the Dock instead of floating in the air like that.

Because then we can save configurations right in the Dock. On click and multiple apps launch with the layout you saved.

I like the dock idea, but you could probably do the same with the floating windows, just right click a group and save it. Having a stack of windows in the dock like how you can have a stack of files would be good too.

It's great that Safari now has saveable tab groups so you can get right back to the web workflows that you have created. But there is still no desktop equivalent to get back to your frequently used desktop workflows. They had an opportunity with stage manager and blew it.
 
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Consistency is great, but some UIs work because they're specifically crafted for the interaction model of that OS. The Settings design works on mobile because you only see a small section of the available settings at once, and controlling that view is literally in your hands. iOS generally has few settings you need to configure more than once, and the ones you typically access the most are right at the top, pre-scroll.

On Mac, the icon view works because you have way more screen space to use, and people learn to associate and retain icons faster than text. There's less what UI nerds call "cognitive load" – the amount of effort you need to use to understand a UI – because what's on the screen is large and easy to browse visually.

Now it's all lists, and the visual signposts to help you find a specific setting are much smaller. It's great that they're all left-aligned (as left-aligned lists are easier to quickly browse) but once you get more than 7-8 items in a list, you force people to read, and that's almost always going to be slower.

The iOS settings model on the Mac is a real mess because there's been no effort to leverage the benefits of a large screen or reduce the amount of information people need to absorb in order to actually get **** done.

They could make things a little better by making the text size larger (it feels smaller because there's so much of it), but you're always going to be fighting against the limits of long lists. They've tried to mitigate this by chunking the settings into groups, but it's still a slog to get through.
I completely disagree.

The cognitive load of the old settings is mind-blowingly high.

I have been using macs for almost 20 years now and any time I need to change a setting, it’s a game of where is Waldo.

Most people don’t change settings frequently enough to have a strong association to each icon.

On top of that you have to scan both horizontally and vertically to find an icon.

It’s incredibly difficult and has been the worst UI in all of macOS.

It’s basically unusable without the search feature or memorizing where an often needed preference icon is.
 
You could easily get lost in the old one.
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How? There's a search bar right at the top. Each setting type is categorised clearly and makes use of the horizontal space of the Mac's screen, which is its default orientation. The icons are also clear.

The new System Settings is designed for vertical scanning and scrolling per iPhone and iPad.

It's just another example of Apple trying to converge iOS and macOS and not thinking about the fundamentals; that macOS is a pointer experience first.
 
I have a question about the Mail app redesign. Currently, swipe to archive swipes in the opposite direction than it does on the iPhone and iPad. So, when I archive a message on my iPad, I have to swipe from left to right, but when I archive a message on my Mac its right to left. This truly makes me quite insane. Can anyone tell me if the swipe to archive goes in the same direction on both devices? I don’t care which direction it is as long as its not the opposite on my devices 😅
 
I have a question about the Mail app redesign. Currently, swipe to archive swipes in the opposite direction than it does on the iPhone and iPad. So, when I archive a message on my iPad, I have to swipe from left to right, but when I archive a message on my Mac its right to left. This truly makes me quite insane. Can anyone tell me if the swipe to archive goes in the same direction on both devices? I don’t care which direction it is as long as its not the opposite on my devices 😅
Is there a setting I need to enable to verify?

Currently, as it stands I don't see that, just a delete.
 
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Is there a setting I need to enable to verify?

Currently, as it stands I don't see that, just a delete.

Ohh, I’m sure there is…I’m not at my Mac right now unfortunately but on my iPad there’s a “swipe options” setting in the Mail pane of the Settings app. I think I recall there being a similar “swipe options” setting in the Mail preferences, but I will check when I am back at my Mac.
 
Following up on the Stage Manager stuff:

I see some people reporting a flat / head-on view of the window groups and some reporting it has the 3D / angled look like in the keynote. Curious as to who is seeing which design, and are you on Intel or Apple Silicon?
I have an Intel machine and for me it's switching (randomly) between the angled view and the flat-on view.
Would love more settings as to whether one wants to have the angled view or the flat view and whether Stage Manager automatically hides or is always visible. Right now, we have all possibilities mixed due to its bugginess :p
 
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