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I’ve never heard this before. So even though I issue a quit command, macOS can just ignore that and leave the process running indefinitely?
This only started happening with the latest update. Seems like a bug 🤷🏼♂️
Are you sure about that? The memory may stay allocated until the OS needs to flush it out, but the process dies. Things like "top" (Unix) and the Activity Monitor should stop listing the process as taking up any resources within a few seconds of Quit/⌘Q.
That's how it works for me (latest Ventura beta) and always has.
JOHN SIRACUSA
I read it years ago in one of John Siracusa's old OS X reviews. Here's a good place to start reading.
Philosophically speaking, computers only became usable by non-nerds, because the OS automatized more and more of the processes needed to keep a computer running smoothly. Such as: garbage collection, defragmentation, backup, auto save, cloud sync, etc. etc. The logical conclusion is that in the end the user doesn't need to care about anything, not even which applications are running or not. Process and memory management are also completely automated. You command quit something and it's just a polite suggestion that it's save to free the associated resources if need be.
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I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing.
Let’s say I have Pages open. I’m done using it so I press command+Q.
Before, no problem, Pages would close perfectly fine.
Now with the latest macOS, Pages would randomly stay open after command+Q, even the menu bar stays active. Not normal behavior from what I’ve seen in previous versions.
Maybe your Q-key is sticky? Pages closes perfectly fine over here. At least the indicator dot beneath the app icon in the dock disappears. Whether the process is terminated in Activity Monitor is decided by complicated heuristics constantly predicting the short term need for free resources. If you bought too much RAM, Pages might run forever.
Yeah, I know what you’re saying. I’m seeing this with a few apps, too. Mail does this and sometimes the Photos app. A couple others here and there. It’s like it’s just hanging after you quit it.
I get that if they're in the middle of something network-y. Usually, it's Mail which is stuck for a few seconds trying to update one of my IMAP accounts. It closes once done.
It's a joke. You haven't described what "stay open" means exactly? Do you see the main Pages window with the last document? Is there a dot beneath the app icon in the dock?
The main window closes, but the dock icon still has a dot and the top menu stays visible (Pages, File, Edit, etc.)
Pressing command+Q more times has no effect. The only option at this point is to kill the process with activity monitor.
It also shows no network activity, so I don’t think it’s syncing or anything.🤷🏼♂️
This sounds as if you accidentally hit ⌘W (right next to ⌘Q) and only closed the window instead of the app.
If you still see the menu bar, you can click Pages > Quit Pages from the menu bar. This would also make sure that it's not a problem of the shortcut itself.
No, the app is still running and even the active application to receive shortcuts, when its name is showing in the menu bar. You only closed one document of a multiple-documents app. That's a typical Windows switcher problem as these users are used to the one-app-one-window principle. Under macOS a running application can have one, none or multiple windows open at any time.
Today I was at the computer at sunrise and of course the menu bar color switched correctly. So it is a problem of sleep mode.
I know it's easy to assume that I am the one making mistakes here, but I assure you that I'm actually pressing command+Q and not command+W. To verify this, I also did try Pages -> Quit menu item, which also did nothing, apparently.
Again, this is not just occurring with Pages, but randomly (not often) with other apps. Once with Preview, and once with Music. And it only started happening with 13.0.1
Also, to answer flowrider's question, the Option+Command+Escape window does seem to kill the app just like if I used activity monitor, so that's a quicker workaround at least.
OMG I've been having this issue, too, on both my M1 MBP and my Intel Mac mini...
Remember when we used to be able to go a couple weeks without rebooting? I used to go a month+ before I needed to for whatever reason.
Yep, I didn't have to reboot in months! Now every effing day w4nkers!
So it's not a problem with the Shortcut settings. Strange! I'm on 13.0.1 too and haven't seen anything like that. Mail is working fine too.
Yeah, I'm totally seeing this, too. Some apps quit like normal and close right away. Some apps just hang and become non-responsive.
Finally found a solution for this and YES this is not a bug.
1. Go to Settings > Lock Screen
2. If NEVER is selected for "Turn display off on power adapter when inactive”, choose a different option.
3. Go to Settings > Display > Advanced.
4. Toggle “Prevent automatic sleeping on power adapter when the display is off” to the off position.
Internet keeps going offline and online every couple of minutes even after deleting Lulu in macOS Ventura 13.1
Did you delete it outright or did you choose the uninstall option from the app's Drop Down Menu?