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One day towards the middle to end of this decade, we will wake up and the iPad and Mac will be running the same OS with the same UI and we won’t even realize it until it hits us like a truck.
like when Steve said "we have a secret, all our OSes the last five years have been running on intel machines in this secret building." maybe they've been running some kind of macOS on iPads and some kind of iPadOS on Macs and when the twain shall meet is when they'll just come out with AppleOS
 
I don't like this! So much more scrolling! With the previous design, everything was grouped into a category and you were off to the races....in this design, if you need to find the category and it isn't on the left navigation bar, you have to scroll down and find it....

Maybe it is better, time will tell...I just hope they improve on this design....currently, the left navigation bar, to me, the spacing seems too narrow. If Apple can increase the spacing between each category, I think it would fix some of the issues I have with it...
 
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Wait - what?! What menus are you referring to here? If I've been mildly annoyed going through non-alphabetical system preferences icons all these years for nothing I won't know whether to be happy or sad haha.
Ditto. 10+ years using a Mac and I didn't even think about looking for this. Doh!
 
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I actually like this layout over the current version!!
I second that.

Yes, it will take some getting used to. But the list view style looks more clear at this point than the previous „wall of icons“ - in which I have to guess where desired subsettings are.

Also, I nowadays use iOS‘ system setting much more often to adjust something, so unifying the experience is welcome.
 
It still looks like a mess to me; the left panel is not in alphabetical order and you still need to "hunt and peck" for the item you want
Then I noticed it's not alphabetical.
Alphabetical isn’t always the best way of sorting.

It’s great when you know exactly what the item you’re looking for is called - a person’s contact, or a street name maybe.

Most users however won’t (more often than not) know the exact name of system settings/preferences they’re looking for. Not even I do.

I do believe that grouping settinags together by theme is much more intuitive.

If you know the exact name of the setting you’re looking for, I few keystrokes (in a search box) will quickly take you there - often more conveniently than scrolling through an alphabetical list.
 
Alphabetical isn’t always the best way of sorting.

It’s great when you know exactly what the item you’re looking for is called - a person’s contact, or a street name maybe.

Most users however won’t (more often than not) know the exact name of system settings/preferences they’re looking for. Not even I do.

I do believe that grouping settinags together by theme is much more intuitive.

If you know the exact name of the setting you’re looking for, I few keystrokes (in a search box) will quickly take you there.

In the classic System Preferences the settings are grouped cleanly under each panel. Now settings are getting messily spread in different places like iOS.

Alphabetical sorting has always been my preference because our brains automatically think alphabetical after hundreds of years of thinking this way.

Can you imagine if the index or appendix at the end of a book was sorted by category and not alphabetically? That would make eyes mad.
 
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Alphabetical isn’t always the best way of sorting.

It’s great when you know exactly what the item you’re looking for is called - a person’s contact, or a street name maybe.

Most users however won’t (more often than not) know the exact name of system settings/preferences they’re looking for. Not even I do.

I do believe that grouping settinags together by theme is much more intuitive.

If you know the exact name of the setting you’re looking for, I few keystrokes (in a search box) will quickly take you there - often more conveniently than scrolling through an alphabetical list.
that's true. at least the settings are categorized like they're on iOS, so I'm not completely lost. still better than Cheetah, which only had alphabetical sorting. but then, you had to change your desktop background in Finder preferences, not System.


...Mac OS X's early days

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I'm no pro... but being able to take a call from my friends and say "open system preferences, click on this icon, go to that tab, and you'll see a little box to check". like when I told my color blind teacher that he could go into sys prefs to add color filters based on his color blindness while he was in the front of the class and I was sitting at my desk with no computer....

those years are over.
Is there something about the new app which prevents you being about to explain how to find something over the phone to someone ?
 
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The great thing about old System Preferences was having a one pager overview of all sections with icons always at their same position. So once you knew where they are, one could nearly blindly navigate there.
This clarity and consistency is at least partly gone with a long only partially visible list.
The sidebar with all setting sections being always visible next to the current pref pane, on the other hand gives quicker access to everything else (right now this requires an extra click).
Guess I‘d prefer a mix of both. Keep a grid-like home page of system settings like it is now in system preferences. That one should be visible when launching the settings app. Add always-on sidebar when in any sub section for quick navigation.
 
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Is there something about the new app which prevents you being about to explain how to find something over the phone to someone ?
I could do it while driving down the road and visualizing it in my mind, just from almost 20 years of using Mac OS X and macOS.
 
I just wish that macOS didn't have to head so much towards iPadOS/iOS.

This probably is the best and most linear way to use sys prefs though, and to not bury so many features under so few icons.
 
Can you imagine if the index or appendix at the end of a book was sorted by category and not alphabetically? That would make eyes mad.
But do you acknowledge how a book’s table of contents is not arranged alphabetically? It (usually) follows either a storyline or is grouped by theme/subject, such as in science books.

I‘d argue that system settings is much more the equivalent of a book’s table of contents, rather than a glossary at the end of a book.

A glossary allows (and requires you) to look up specific terms that you know. It is designed to be comprehensive, to contain every single relevant term (the equivalent of a single setting), not just their supercategories in which they’re located. And it often contaisn more than one entry or synonyms for the same thing. For example, does a (non-expert) user know whether he should look for an „Energy“, „Power“ or „Battery“ setting?*

What’s the equivalent of glossaries in computer software? I‘d argue that it’s a search box, not an alphabetical index.


* Side note: though why battery settings are wedged between screen saver and lock screen settings (see the screenshot in the MacRumors article is admittedly beyond me.

I just wish that macOS didn't have to head so much towards iPadOS/iOS
I always disliked particularly 10.7 for that. Felt as if they were shoehorning things to make them more like iOS. But this change to system preferences / settings I welcome.
 
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I could do it while driving down the road and visualizing it in my mind, just from almost 20 years of using Mac OS X and macOS.
Oh. Well I'm sure you will soon get used to it and relearn where stuff is. It's a pretty minor and specialist complaint, after all.. time does march on.
 
But do you acknowledge how a book’s table of contents is not arranged alphabetically? It (usually) follows either a storyline or is grouped by theme/subject, such as in science books.

I‘d argue that system settings is much more the equivalent of a book’s table of contents, rather than a glossary at the end of a book.

That’s not the point.

The point of the example was, if you take something that was previously arranged alphabetically and is a natural way for people to think and organise and replace that with something that is jumbled together then it is no longer user friendly.

We can get used to it, sure. After half a day I am getting the hang of it.

But it is still ****. It’s absolutely ****. It’s what Windows 11 and Ubuntu has and it is ****.

If we had something that was the best, the absolute king of system preference apps, why copy the ugliest operating systems?
 
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It’s great when you know exactly what the item you’re looking for is called - a person’s contact, or a street name maybe.

Most users however won’t (more often than not) know the exact name of system settings/preferences they’re looking for. Not even I do.

You're right, most users won't know the exact name of the preference heading that they're looking for, at least not initially. You can learn this over time though. With the current system preferences setup, learning the heading name over time doesn't help you because you still have to search the grid for the right icon (though in my experience I started to develop a vague sense of this "oh that thing I need is somewhere in the bottom right... somewhere..."). If it was alphabetical, you'd learn the name over time the same way, only each future search for it becomes much easier because you know what section of the list to go for immediately.

Just my $0.02 :)
 
I don't like this one bit. Hopefully there is an option to revert back to the classic version.
Eww, creating a new version but keeping the old one around too? That’s the Microsoft way. I actually saw a concept a few months ago encouraging Apple to redesign System Preferences into an iOS-like Settings- cool to see they did exactly that!
 
The point of the example was, if you take something that was previously arranged alphabetically and is a natural way for people to think and organise and replace that with something that is jumbled together then it is no longer user friendly.
But… They're not currently arranged alphabetically? And it's not a natural way for people to think and organise things; for one because, when it comes to computers, most people don't actually know the names of the things they're looking for.
 
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But… They're not currently arranged alphabetically? And it's not a natural way for people to think and organise things; for one because, when it comes to computers, most people don't actually know the names of the things they're looking for.
Stop confusing yourself.

The new System Preferences suck. It’s scrolling scrolling scrolling all over the place.

Options are jumbled up in stupid ways like on iOS. Why is Time Machine and and Login Items under General? The first should be its own panel like it always was and the latter should be under Users.
 
One day towards the middle to end of this decade, we will wake up and the iPad and Mac will be running the same OS with the same UI and we won’t even realize it until it hits us like a truck.
Don't worry we will absolutely know about that. Mac people wont shut up about how sad they are, and iPad people wont shut up about how happy they are. 🤣
 
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It’s so awful. What a terrible design

Just what I want: scroll down a long list to find what I need instead of just clicking on an icon on a grid

They should make launchpad a long list like this if it’s such a good idea
 
That's the problem with mature software - there's little of actual value that can be added; but the company feels it has to do something to get people excited and willing to upgrade. Unfortunately that "something" often ends up to be a sideways move at best, and an net negative change at worst.
The problem with mature software is that any significant change feels like a step backwards, even if it's just because we are used to the old way.

The existing System Prefs worked really well when OSX was less feature rich, but IMO has needed a serious reorganization for a couple of versions now. For example, why are some trackpad/mouse settings "Accessibility" when the bulk are in "Trackpad"?

I can locate most settings in iOS, but use the search field when I can't.
 
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Change is not easy, especially when it is so radical like this, but I think it looks very good, and overall this WWDC delivered great improvements across the entire lineup.
This is worse usability. Not sure how you think it’s good. Making something that was a clear grid of icons into a long scrollable list you have to dig through is a huge step back

I have a feeling people won’t even bother and most will just use the search bar. So why have the icons at all?

Whoever has been in charge of the Mac UI for the past few years should be fired. Every single change has been hiding information; making things harder to find and use

The great thing about old System Preferences was having a one pager overview of all sections with icons always at their same position. So once you knew where they are, one could nearly blindly navigate there.
This clarity and consistency is at least partly gone with a long only partially visible list.

Now THAT is a good idea. Can Apple hire you? It’s a smart solution that would actually improve usability beyond what the System Preferences app has always had.

That’s the thing I’ve been missing in Apple’s UI design lately. It’s just making things worse for the sake of making it look more like iOS rather than adding real improvement that makes using a Mac fun
 
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Once again. MacOS looking more and more like IOS.

I bet any amount of money when they start using touch screen Macs that macOS and IOS will merge into one.
Safe bet considering they'll never make a touch screen Mac. The new iPadOS shows that Apple is moving iPadOS to a macForTouchScreenOS.
 
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