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Looks like a fancy Windows registry to me. This is a HUGE step backwards. Grid icons in landscape is a much better visual experience for people on a computer. Next step Apple will just get rid of the registry icons altogether. This change stinks.
 
The Monterey one is a fixed 640 x 480 window that can't be resized no matter how much vertical scrolling you have to do. Very little of the interface requires horizontal scrolling anyway as most of the sub-menus are vertically orientated lists. At least the new one allows you to resize the window which comes in handy for browsing for things like wallpapers or seeing all of the accessibility or security settings at once.
I can resize mine downward. A lot of issues I have with it, I'd like it to be able to resize outward, not just down. The more I'm playing around with it, I understand it, where they moved things. f
 
Is there something about the new app which prevents you being about to explain how to find something over the phone to someone ?
I've been calling it System Settings for a while now lol, my parents are like huh? I'm UGH same thing as Preferences, come on people you own iPhones and can connect the dots......
 
The design is fine, but I want my Mac to feel like a Mac, not a smartphone. I have known for years that some convergence of mobile and desktop/laptop user experience was inevitable, but I was hoping it wouldn’t *all* be because the Mac interface is becoming the iOS interface.
Absolutely!

Didn't they promise it would never ever happen!?!

I'm perfectly happy as mac OS X, macOS being separate from iOS
 
So far not a fan of this. I honestly wish my iPad Pro could have a settings / preferences / control panel more like my Mac than the other way around.

That said, I often “search” for the setting I want as opposed to scroll and poke, so perhaps it won’t bother me that much on newer Mac computers.
 
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It's a major step back in usability but I'm not surprised.
I really use to like Apple’s design language and still feel it’s far superior to Windows and Android, but this is a big mistake. When Big Sur came out I was shocked at how much it resembled iOS and I didn’t really like the squircle app icons (I don’t like how overly rounded the corners are, much prefer a slight rounded corner). I’ve grown to like them more than I had at first, but I feel they design is a bit limiting though it gives a more constant unifying look which I feel was needed. I would bet that if enough people complain about the new system settings that they will rethink it (just look at what happened with Safari last year). I doubt though that enough ever will and we will be stuck with the new system settings though. Maybe they are going to add a touch screen Mac in the future, I mean MacOS is starting to look more touch friendly. I’ve grown to love a lot about MacOS since Big Sur, but this is one I just can’t wrap my head around as system preferences was one of the apps I loved the look of and wished Windows would have adopted the look of it as though their design is similar, it looks cheap, plain, and boring.
 
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If we had something that was the best, the absolute king of system preference apps, why copy the ugliest operating systems?
I don’t see your praise (as the king and the best) for the previous system preferences shared much even in this thread.

As regards a comparison to Linux, I recently installed and configured Fedora with KDE Plasma on a Mac. And their system settings are pretty similar to what macOS seems to get (though the grouping is made more clear in KDE). Honestly, I found the settings menu about as effective effective (quick to use) as on my Mac. Considering that I’ve got virtually no experience with KDE but ample with macOS, the Mac’s definitely didn’t strike me as being superior.

I guess we can just agree to disagree on the subject.
Options are jumbled up in stupid ways like on iOS. Why is Time Machine and and Login Items under General? The first should be its own panel like it always was and the latter should be under Users.
Let’s not pretend that system preference panes are arranged logically on macOS today, shall we?
 
System preferences is a cluttered mess and hasn't changed aside from its frame. This is far more intuitive and easier to find things.

Your biggest problem is that you use Apple Mail. That needs a ground up redesign.
At first glance this does look a bit like Mail. It's hierarchical which makes more sense that going back to a bunch squares to navigate. I've never gotten used to System Preferences. I've always sorted alphabetically because the categories didn't always fit with my need the moment. And I think it's easier to scan a list than rows. But we'll see. The problems are deeper than the UI. Internet vs AppleID? Displays vs. Accessibility? On and non about where to find things, although search often helps.
 
The great thing about old System Preferences was having a one pager overview of all sections with icons always at their same position.
Preferences appear as a grid of icons; the icons shown may vary depending on your Mac and the apps you have installed

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-system-preferences-mh15217/mac

Straight from the source.
They should make launchpad a long list like this if it’s such a good idea
If a grid of icons was such a great idea, they’d have made Launchpad the default to …well, launch apps (other than the ones in your dock) years ago. Just like on iOS.
This is worse usability. Not sure how you think it’s good. Making something that was a clear grid of icons into a long scrollable list you have to dig through is a huge step back
A rigid grid of icons isn’t automatically great usability. Not if you arrange them to just “fit the grid” as Apple does. If you can group things by content/functionality, it’s good practice to do so and giving the user visual cues for that.

Maybe you have one line of the grid with only three icons/panes and another with five or six. But looking at my Mac and Apple’s support pages, Apple doesn’t really do that today.
 
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apple is slowly making MacOS more comfortable for touch screen don't know when but I hope one day MacOS and iPadOS becomes one
Really don't want that to happen, touch screens for desktop computers are a pain in the a*s and not very user friendly to use, who wants to reach across their desk to tap on the screen, by screens are set well back on my desk, it is not easy to reach the screen to push a button. Touch screens work very well for handheld devices and may even laptops (though I question a touch screen usefulness even on a laptop). But, I want a robust OS for my Mac computers thank you very much.
 
Really don't want that to happen, touch screens for desktop computers are a pain in the a*s and not very user friendly to use, who wants to reach across their desk to tap on the screen, by screens are set well back on my desk, it is not easy to reach the screen to push a button. Touch screens work very well for handheld devices and may even laptops (though I question a touch screen usefulness even on a laptop). But, I want a robust OS for my Mac computers thank you very much.
I have a work Thinkpad and the touchscreen works well on it without causing SJ's infamous gorilla arm. I use the touchscreen for some things and a mouse for others. If I only had a desktop display I would just ignore the touchscreen.
 
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And is it just me, or are they fazing out the dynamic desktop wallpapers in favor of simple dark/light options?

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They didn’t add a new dynamic this year it seems.

There’s no new screensaver either but I suspect there will be some things added on once we get further down the line towards release. There’s no way we won’t at least get a Ventura exclusive dynamic WP I’m sure Apple will want that to be the new default instead of whatever this flower thing is now.

Remember this is a very early beta, a lot will change in the months to come.
 
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Hmm, while you’re correct, they are just following in Windows 11’s footsteps sadly:

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Stop confusing yourself.

The new System Preferences suck. It’s scrolling scrolling scrolling all over the place.

Options are jumbled up in stupid ways like on iOS. Why is Time Machine and and Login Items under General? The first should be its own panel like it always was and the latter should be under Users.
I wasn’t in any way defending the new layout. I’m less than convinced by it. Especially by any category headed ‘general’ which, just like the ‘special’ menu in the classic Mac OS is always a terrible idea. It’s just that alphabetical arrangement wouldn’t necessarily be any better.
 
This looks great. Curious about that “macOS Graphic”. I thought it could be Juli’s MacBook name, but no, Juli’s MacBook is the name of her MacBook. So no clue about what ”macOS Graphic” means… On the other hand, I am curious as well to know how do you change now your mac’s name. Currently -and for the last 25 years- you have to go to sharing, and there you can change your machine‘s name. I hope they moved it to Settings -> General -> Information.

By the way, it would have been awesome to have a new dynamic wallpaper just like the Mojave/Catalina ones…
I assume that macOS Graphic is the name of the image she has chosen, the one that is highlighted lower down
 
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Alphabetical sorting has always been my preference because our brains automatically think alphabetical after hundreds of years of thinking this way.
maybe your brain, but mine expects things like Wi-Fi and sounds to be near the top of the list of the settings app on my iPad or whatever.
If it were alphabetical, that stuff would be jumbled near the bottom with The settings for Voice Memos and other random things that happened to start with the same letter.
Categorically is so much better for a Settings app
 
I could do it while driving down the road and visualizing it in my mind, just from almost 20 years of using Mac OS X and macOS.
Sorry to burst your bubble butt system preferences has been re-organized several times over the last 20 years.
It used to be a running joke in the arstechnica OS X reviews, every couple years apple wood mess with the system preferences to make it more confusing.
You are just used to whatever the current, and you’ll be used to the new soon enough.
 
exactly. i hit my custom shortcut to bring up system prefs ( Cmd + ‘,’ ) and then Cmd + ‘F’ to focus on the search field. then type away and select the autosuggestion with cursor or arrows.

i’m visually oriented but still find it hard to locate the preference i’m looking for with the current system. that’s one reason i use the keyboard. i couldn’t tell you from memory what row or side of window that “network”, “displays”, “sound”, “keyboard shortcuts” and a bunch of others are even though i use them every day. the only ones i recall are non-apple like Wacom and Blackmagic because they live in the bottom row.

so all in all little practical change to me accept it will waste screen space with a sidebar type of design.
Speaking of keyboard navigation, is there an easy way to tab through items in the Side Bar? It baffles me that it doesn't operate like column view using up/down/right/left arrows, etc.
 
A settings app on the Mac with a scrollable list of categories on the left hand side... and clicking one of those categories reveals individual settings on the right hand side. Where have we seen this design before?

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I missed all that! lol

Dad spent a crap ton $$ on an Apple IIe, (monitor, dot matrix printer, 2 floppy drives) We didn't upgrade until Win95 came out and IBM said no one needed a larger HD than 1MB LOL

When I made it to the band in 97, they were still running Win3.1 I was horrified.
 
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