10 bucks couch will end up with the gs4
I put 10 on that 2, but I will add another 10 says he returns that too, and tries the xphone or whatever Google and Motorola calls it.
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I put 10 on that 2, but I will add another 10 says he returns that too, and tries the xphone or whatever Google and Motorola calls it.
Hes not going to have time to return it
still couple of months left for the xphone and new nexus.I personally hope he returns every phone he gets his hands on. He might be extremely picky compared to most, but at least I get to read the pro & cons from someone who's usage is real life vs a biased fanatic or a blogger. I did enjoy the this thread as he made some great points, many of which I had the same experience with the 4S and below. I'm actually looking forward to his "30 day HTC One Journey" thread as I will never own one cause I'm going for the S4.
I do like detailed reviews, but you have to see that he is kind of over the top picky. I mean what is it to him that I like the nexus 4, and can look past some of the things that may be wrong with it. If he can do that with a phone he will never ever find a phone. He should join the thread "I am looking for the perfect phone". Maybe those to guys can find the perfect phone together.
You said you were looking forward to his "30 journey of the HTC One". Go into the HTC one thread now. He is already complaining about stuff and he does not even have the phone yet. Sure I agree with some of the stuff he has problems with, but now I don't trust his assessments of phones because nothing is going to be good enough for him.
we kind of already know what to expect too.
1. Power button will make the phone unusable
2. HTC button layout will make the phone unusable
3. Sense 5 and HTC's OS choice will make the phone unusable
4. The camera isn't good enough to such an extent it will make the phone unusable
5. Battery life will be found to be unusable
6. Device scratches or picks up dust making it unusable
I fully expect coach to rip the phone to shreds, in fact I plea that for every flaw he spends time trying to counter balance by looking at a positive, but think that won't happen if we look at this thread. I'd be genuinely shocked if he likes the device, and what I don't look forward to is the endless trolls being fueld by coachs often over critsiscm to justify their hatred and subsequent 'HTC is ****, The One is ****, Should bought a GS4, Samsung for the win' style posts that will inevitably follow and fill up that 'HTC One 30 day thread'......
If I'm honest I kind of wish he just held off and got the S4 not because I don't think coach is entitled to his opinion, but because I know unbalanced criticism will only fill this forum section with more irrational troll behaviour fom other posters and there will be no objectivity.
It will be the usual, "I don't like this = therefore it has to be ****" that will follow that's going to make this a painful 30 days.........
I also suspect we won't have a 30 days with the Samsung GS4 thread, but a SGS4 is best thing ever thread once coach has inevitably picked it up.
I challenge you to prove me wrong coach
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No it shouldn't. Stickies threads should be more objective and less contentious, personal preferences are not FACTS that apply to all. Stickies should be balanced information that tell folks how to do, or resolve something without offering personal opinion or taste. Objectivity & total impartiality is key in any sticky.
we kind of already know what to expect too.
1. Power button will make the phone unusable
2. HTC button layout will make the phone unusable
3. Sense 5 and HTC's OS choice will make the phone unusable
4. The camera isn't good enough to such an extent it will make the phone unusable
5. Battery life will be found to be unusable
6. Device scratches or picks up dust making it unusable
I fully expect coach to rip the phone to shreds, in fact I plea that for every flaw he spends time trying to counter balance by looking at a positive, but think that won't happen if we look at this thread. I'd be genuinely shocked if he likes the device, and what I don't look forward to is the endless trolls being fueld by coachs often over critsiscm to justify their hatred and subsequent 'HTC is ****, The One is ****, Should bought a GS4, Samsung for the win' style posts that will inevitably follow and fill up that 'HTC One 30 day thread'......
If I'm honest I kind of wish he just held off and got the S4 not because I don't think coach is entitled to his opinion, but because I know unbalanced criticism will only fill this forum section with more irrational troll behaviour fom other posters and there will be no objectivity.
It will be the usual, "I don't like this = therefore it has to be ****" that will follow that's going to make this a painful 30 days.........
I also suspect we won't have a 30 days with the Samsung GS4 thread, but a SGS4 is best thing ever thread once coach has inevitably picked it up.
I challenge you to prove me wrong coach
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No it shouldn't. Stickies threads should be more objective and less contentious, personal preferences are not FACTS that apply to all. Stickies should be balanced information that tell folks how to do, or resolve something without offering personal opinion or taste. Objectivity & total impartiality is key in any sticky.
The problem is he has already bashed Samsung too in other threads about. I have to confidence that he will just trash the S4 and return it as well. Like I said I am done with his reviews and endless threads about phones he does not like. Pick a phone and stay with it. I would be more likely to listen to his garbage about a phone if he kept it beyond everything he can think of being wrong with it. At least then we know he can realize that there is no perfect phone.
Some of you keep using the word "abuse" when it comes to return policy. Again, I do not think it means what you think it means.
How is it abusing when it's their own policy? Do you guys know what a return policy is? If anyone should find a product they bought unsatisfactory, that's what the return policy is there for. Looking into whether HTC has a return policy or not or whether they have restocking fees or not is not abusing anything. It's simply called research. And smart consumers do it all the time. It's a safety net so the customer can be satisfied.
How is it abuse if I'm using it exactly the way it's being intended to be used by said companies? Please.
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So just to address a few things.
Call me picky if you want. I just give my real experience. If you look at my "picky" threads of the Nexus 4 and the iPhone 5, if you actually read it, you'll find there's a ton of things I love about those devices.
Another thing... just because I'm "picky" doesn't mean I think a phone has to be perfect. This straw man is an absurd creation by other members. Duh, no phone is perfect. What does perfect even mean? Of course phones have faults. I had the Galaxy Nexus for months and I loved that phone despite it's horrid camera. So feel free to continue with straw mans if you'd like, but at no point did I ever say a phone had to be perfect or that a magically perfect phone exists out there.
Also, you're free to not read. Keep in mind I created the iPhone thread per the request of another poster who wanted me to go more in-depth. People are free to block and/or ignore my posts.
As for the HTC One... if you guys are supposedly following my thoughts, you would have read my initial impressions of it when I handled it in the store. I'll reiterate the overall impression: I walked away very impressed. I also mentioned that the power button wasn't as hard to reach and/or press as I was fearful of. If you've been following, you'll also know I've been talking to other posters about alternative methods to return to the home screen via gestures (something which I'm a big believer of thanks to Zephyr on the iPHone 5). I've talked about SwipePad and MRU recommended me Sidebar which I'm excited to use. I've even said that if these gestures work out, that I'd forgive HTC for not putting the home button in the center where the gesture would happen.
If you're going to attack me personally for being "picky" at least get your information straight.
Lastly, if a device has shortcomings, it has shortcomings. I'm not ging to pretend it doesn't. If it's something small, I'll say it's something small. If it's a bigger issue, I'll say it's a bigger issue. I'm just sharing my experience and opinion in an open forum. People are free to agree or disagree or ignore.
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False and untrue. Please quote me where I gave you crap for liking the Nexus 4. A device that I liked myself and would have kept if I didn't unfortunately go through multiple defects.
Here's the thread for everyone to see where we had our discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1572267/
Please. Find where I gave you "crap" for liking the Nexus 4.
How is it abusing when it's their own policy? Do you guys know what a return policy is? If anyone should find a product they bought unsatisfactory, that's what the return policy is there for. Looking into whether HTC has a return policy or not or whether they have restocking fees or not is not abusing anything. It's simply called research. And smart consumers do it all the time. It's a safety net so the customer can be satisfied.
How is it abuse if I'm using it exactly the way it's being intended to be used by said companies? Please.
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So just to address a few things.
Call me picky if you want. I just give my real experience. If you look at my "picky" threads of the Nexus 4 and the iPhone 5, if you actually read it, you'll find there's a ton of things I love about those devices.
Another thing... just because I'm "picky" doesn't mean I think a phone has to be perfect. This straw man is an absurd creation by other members. Duh, no phone is perfect. What does perfect even mean? Of course phones have faults. I had the Galaxy Nexus for months and I loved that phone despite it's horrid camera. So feel free to continue with straw mans if you'd like, but at no point did I ever say a phone had to be perfect or that a magically perfect phone exists out there.
Also, you're free to not read. Keep in mind I created the iPhone thread per the request of another poster who wanted me to go more in-depth. People are free to block and/or ignore my posts.
As for the HTC One... if you guys are supposedly following my thoughts, you would have read my initial impressions of it when I handled it in the store. I'll reiterate the overall impression: I walked away very impressed. I also mentioned that the power button wasn't as hard to reach and/or press as I was fearful of. If you've been following, you'll also know I've been talking to other posters about alternative methods to return to the home screen via gestures (something which I'm a big believer of thanks to Zephyr on the iPHone 5). I've talked about SwipePad and MRU recommended me Sidebar which I'm excited to use. I've even said that if these gestures work out, that I'd forgive HTC for not putting the home button in the center where the gesture would happen.
If you're going to attack me personally for being "picky" at least get your information straight.
Lastly, if a device has shortcomings, it has shortcomings. I'm not ging to pretend it doesn't. If it's something small, I'll say it's something small. If it's a bigger issue, I'll say it's a bigger issue. I'm just sharing my experience and opinion in an open forum. People are free to agree or disagree or ignore.
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False and untrue. Please quote me where I gave you crap for liking the Nexus 4. A device that I liked myself and would have kept if I didn't unfortunately go through multiple defects.
Here's the thread for everyone to see where we had our discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1572267/
Please. Find where I gave you "crap" for liking the Nexus 4.
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No sense in trying to run from it now. You're already on the record saying what were going to do.
Might as well just own it.
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Return policies are meant for actual interested users of the product. In the end you stole a phone out of their inventory which they can now no longer sell and never had any intent to potentially keep it.
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You'd be better off just reading Anand's reviews. Very thorough.
There's also a Youtube channel (phonedog or something like that) where the guy does 30 day trials of flag ship phones and does a bunch of videos of the time with it.
Again read the op. it's all there. Not much else I can say to this.
People are acting like they've never heard of buying something with the knowledge that they may return it if unsatisfied.
So what do you call this:
Anyway, your posts sound awfully similar to iOS apologists who settle (and defend tooth and nail) for what is given to them because it's "good enough." It's great the Nexus 4 works for you as it is. But there's no reason why it can't nor shouldn't be much better the next go around.
Again, even Google themselves have conceded they'll finally put a good camera in the next Nexus. Let's just say I'm glad that decision isn't up to you.
Take it easy.
Because I think the nexus program was never meant to be a phone program to blow people away with hardware I sound like a nexus apologist? Because I don't view the nexus phones the way you do, and like them beyond their shortcomings I am apologist? Or "sound" like an apologist.
You can keep buying and returning smartphones under the return window, but you have to now understand that no one will listen to your reviews. You go into each phone you get with all the negatives before you even get the thing.
If you find all this stuff out before buying then why are you wasting your time and HTC, Apple, and googles time too? It is your job to read the reviews and first impressions about phones before you buy. Sure there are things you are not going to like, but give the phone a try before you get it into your head you are not going to like something about the phone.
No you are just going into buying something knowing that you are going to return it. I work at a University Bookstore, and durning midterms and finals students buy the book to study knowing they are going to return the book after they are done studying. During finals we don't allow students to return books for that very reason. It is called abusing the return policy. After reading your comments about using the iphone return policy while you wait on something better is abusing the return policy. Sorry it just is.
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Time to make a blog Couch
Anyway you know whe all have a love and hate relationship with you Couch, i think whe all looking forward to your new thread about the htc one (it MUST be a separate thread!) even though some us are a bit salty at the moment
Only a couple of days left...
Anyway you know whe all have a love and hate relationship with you Couch, i think whe all looking forward to your new thread about the htc one (it MUST be a separate thread!) even though some us are a bit salty at the moment
Only a couple of days left...
Time to make a blog Couch
Anyway you know whe all have a love and hate relationship with you Couch, i think whe all looking forward to your new thread about the htc one (it MUST be a separate thread!) even though some us are a bit salty at the moment
Only a couple of days left...
I am not salty. I just wish people could understand that all phones have things that people don't like about them. Me choosing the nexus 4 and not wanting to change much about the way Google runs the program should not make me sound like an apologist.
I really don't care about his opinions anymore. Until he can stay with a for more than 30 days, and keep it beyond the flaws then I don't care
I don't call it giving you crap. Again, the context of that conversation was that you thought the phone wasn't meant for consumers. All I said was I think it is or is beginning to be positioned as such. And that it didn't hurt for Google to improve a few things and offer more options. You got defensive about it for absolutely no reason right from the get go.
Anyway. That'll be the last I'll say to you regarding giving you "crap" for liking the Nexus 4. Again, a phone that I liked myself.
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Please get your information straight. Read the HTC One thread.
Read the OP. I don't know what more I can say. If people are returning within the return period, how is it abusing the policy? Please look up the definition of abuse.
I really can't say much more on this topic. There is nothing I'm doing wrong. If there is, APple wouldn't accept the return. They are accepting it, however, because it's within their own policy. Is this that hard to grasp? Well, good luck.
The return policy is there for people that got the phone and maybe they did not have the money to keep it. It would be one thing if you went into buying as I will try this and see if I like it. The post about the wanting it just to hold you over until you find something else is not what a return policy is for. You went into the purchase knowing you did want to keep it.
Again until you can stop using everyone's return policy to try every smartphone that comes out this year. Your reviews are worthless.
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How is my info wrong. I just read some of your post and I quoted you in one of them. If you are going into buying the HTC One knowing you do not like this gas about why waste your time. Also you asking checking the return policy is proof enough for me you have to intentions on keeping. You are just going to write another thread to get people mad, and then return it.
I too am looking forward to Couch's musings about the HTC One. I will read them with interest and the knowledge that he is very explicit about what he likes in a phone and has his own preferences. All of that is perfectly normal and expected - like we all have. One thing he does is that he at least explains why he likes or dislikes something - unlike some of the "seagull posters" who just come in here and drop a "htc one sucks" posts with no explanation.
Based on that knowledge I expect there will be things that bother him much more than they would bother me. However, reading why it bothers him at least adds to the whole picture of the phone.
I too would be shocked if he stays with the HTC One, but it's his phone so it's his decision and he should get what works for him like we all want. Well most of us that aren't fanatics from either camp.
MRU has also written very detailed reviews and posted many pictures, etc. and I am thankful for that as well. Overall, I am really impressed with the phone and expect to be impressed when I see one in store. I'd love to compare it head to head with the S4.
Based on that knowledge I expect there will be things that bother him much more than they would bother me. However, reading why it bothers him at least adds to the whole picture of the phone.
I too would be shocked if he stays with the HTC One, but it's his phone so it's his decision and he should get what works for him like we all want. Well most of us that aren't fanatics from either camp.
MRU has also written very detailed reviews and posted many pictures, etc. and I am thankful for that as well. Overall, I am really impressed with the phone and expect to be impressed when I see one in store. I'd love to compare it head to head with the S4.
I guess you know me better than I know myself. Keep at it.
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MRU has been a big help with figuring out how to make the HTC One work for me.
I already bought a pouch of Etsy for the HTC One. And posted initial impressions of walking away very impressed with handling the device in the store. I'm really surprised people don't think I'm going to keep it.
And thanks for understanding how an open forum works.
How could we believe you will keep it? You told me that you did not like the camera on the nexus 4. I am hearing the camera on the One is not that good. These things seem to mean a lot to you, so why would you keep it?
I never said I am or am not keeping it. I haven't even gotten it. Simply saying I'm surprised people are convinced they know my decision already before even I do.
Besides, weren't you "done" with my opinions and posts?
I never said I am or am not keeping it. I haven't even gotten it. Simply saying I'm surprised people are convinced they know my decision already before even I do.
Besides, weren't you "done" with my opinions and posts?
I am. I am not asking your opinion. I simply saying that it is the same old story for you over and over. Try a phone return it. I don't care that you don't like the home button, camera, or whatever else you don't like about the HTC One. One reason I could careless about HTC phone, and second there is always going to be something you don't like. I just think you should give a phone a chance, and stick with it.
OK well good luck on that HTC One journey you take.
I hope that works out for you.
You mean like I did with the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4? Both devices well over 30 days, especially the GN, with flaws and all.
The only one phones that I haven't kept for long were the HTC One X (horrid battery life) and the iPhone 5.
Again, get your information straight first.