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SMIDG3T

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Can't read?! It's in all of Apple's promo material! It is NOT a bug.

No. I can't read. Teach me? I didn't say the boldness was the bug, just the giant font size. Wow. If you're getting ants in your pants over all the boldness, that's pretty pathetic.
 

Paddle1

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I'm not sure how I feel about the changes to the Notification Center, Today view, widgets, unlocking, and Control Center. Seems a bit more complicated, but it is first beta. I'll have to use iOS 10 first.
 

Creek0512

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I like it better than the previous Control Center, where there are too many controls crammed into too small of a space making it difficult to tap or slide the control you intend to.
 
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GreyOS

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I don't think it does default to the music tab when music is playing... Maybe the first time but it'll remember the tab your on when you last dismissed it.
 

stiligFox

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I love the separate panes. Now for me the music is actually controllable - the buttons on the old one are easy to miss when you're just trying to quickly skip a song. As far as I can tell, control center will open which ever pane you last had open when you swipe up. I hope they don't change it.

I could see it being an issue for 6+ users, as that would easily be a waste of realistate. I hope they customize it by screen size.
 

marvz

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No. I can't read. Teach me? I didn't say the boldness was the bug, just the giant font size. Wow. If you're getting ants in your pants over all the boldness, that's pretty pathetic.
Boldness, font size, whatever, i don't care how you call it. At the moment this is like Apple wants it to be since they promote iOS 10 with it. Get over it. (News looks exactly the same.)
 

Paddle1

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I love the separate panes. Now for me the music is actually controllable - the buttons on the old one are easy to miss when you're just trying to quickly skip a song. As far as I can tell, control center will open which ever pane you last had open when you swipe up. I hope they don't change it.

I could see it being an issue for 6+ users, as that would easily be a waste of realistate. I hope they customize it by screen size.
Couldn't they make Control Center bigger? Plus the iPad has even more real estate.
 

SMIDG3T

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Boldness, font size, whatever, i don't care how you call it. At the moment this is like Apple wants it to be since they promote iOS 10 with it. Get over it. (News looks exactly the same.)

I was "over it" ages ago. You're the one complaining about the bold font. If you don't like it, stay on iOS 9, simple.
 

Omega Mac

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I've said it 50x since the presentation but this has to be the worst looking beta 1 out of the lot. Naturally, me saying this will bring out the apologists telling everyone that "it's just beta 1" and that "a lot of things can change before GM" -- but my real problem with what we've been shown is that it's the awful foundation on which they will be iterating.

Will things get better? Presumably they'll refine and refine until it's to an acceptable point design-wise, but I cannot get over the fact that THIS is what they decided was ok to show the public. Music? News? Control Center? Notifications (and the hilariously absurd new swipe down for notifications screen), Messages (L O L) -- it all smells really bad of design by committee. It also feels as if they're trying too hard to bring over concepts from watchOS to iOS without considering that that sort of rationale is just plain wrong. Same with trying to fit the same interactions and concepts that a phone has to the tablet space. I for one was a huge fan of the flat look, the edge to edge artwork, transparency, fonts of the thinner variety, overlays and having a sense of depth without being incredibly literal about it.

With all that being said, it seems as if right now Apple is in the midst of a really radical shift in design. They've always been a stalwart in both user experience and user interfaces, and it's sad to see the cracks really starting to show as they continue to trot out what I believe to be a more fractured experience overall, and whether that eventually punctures enough holes in the ship to bring it down has yet to be seen.

I couldn't agree more. You also hit a point I was thinking about yesterday.

It seems to me it's as if each of the respective Executive Heads are being allowed dictate the UI and self-approve concerning the realm of interface within their patch and then somehow it's all put together without an overall visual editorial stage. I can't even see Ive's input to any of this, as I can't see a controlling hand, there is no flair and no style.

I guess that one the important traits Steve brought to the table in the past and therefore I totally understand the reason we hear the not unreasonable "Steve wouldn't have done this!", it's an expression and detection of the lack of taste, which transcends design. It's got to work.

The product does not exist for the sake of design itself.

Design by committee is design death.
 
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venividivigor

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It's even worse on the 12.9" iPad, everything IS HUGE, so much wasted space. And the buttons... They're triple the size than they were before.

I can't even adjust the music scrubber because it's so tiny, I end up moving the control center cards instead.
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Ah, so now you want the first pane? Does a swipe really take you that long to do?

They moved the music on a different pane because before if you adjusted the volume for example some people would hit the scrubber instead and vice-versa. It does make sense.
Stop trying to justify apple's stupid design decisione. The other problem is that we have a music pane for 12.9" iPad, when all of it could've been fit to one. Control center is supposed to be quick actions for settings!
 

Omega Mac

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I never liked the implementation of the control centre on Android. You often had to slide the top to right menu to the right to get to the extra buttons. Apple iOS having it's control centre at the bottom from a UI and ergonomics one-hand usage connect was always a winner.

My guess is they want to make space for extra CC functionality down the road as a result of developers needs within the UI. Such is the panelisation of the CC which is a much better choice than how it works on any version of android I used, if you need to make extra space available.

What I am thinking is, they may have had to put something somewhere so to fill up the panel space they put music on the right, or else it all looked very empty for the WWDC.

In time all the 3rd party CC buttons may be on the non-primary panels existing to the right and the usual core functions back in the Centre (the excuse will be by popular demand but they were going to do it anyway in later versions).

I thought about people complaining with big fingers to Apple holding some kind of minority sway but the touch sensititvyt is excellent and it's a point I've never seen made. So realistically, this must be a provision for the future of the needs of 3rd party devs.

It is better to have clear and swappable panels as distinct places for grouping buttons, as they users mind will track these better. A edge to edge panels that slide left or right would be the mistake made in version Android adopted by iOS.

It's clearly a big mistake to push the core functions out like this. So that's why I think the real-world reason was this was simply to fill screen space and not have empty panels for the WWDC '16 demo since the 3rd party buttons are not in existence yet, only the provision of CC panel space is at the base level.

Also there is no limit in theory to the amount of CC panels as long as the centre one remains the core panel. The rest might be user definable or at least place-keeprs for the 3rd party requirements as outlined above.
 

DoctorKrabs

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This doesn't add to the discussion. I've already proven why your point isn't anything but bending over for Tim Cook.

Imagine your car company adds another gear that you must enter before going into drive. It'll only take two seconds!! You just have to go into this gear and sit for a sec and then go to drive. What's the big deal? It's just one extra step.

If they told you that, I guarantee you'd be scratching your head wondering why on earth they did that. That's what we are doing here. The only difference is we don't bend over for Apple like you do .
Yeah, sure thing buddy. Bending over for Tim Cook and accepting anything Apple does is all I ever do.

Anyone downloading the iOS 10 Beta on release?
Nest Co-Founder Tony Fadell Leaving the Company
9.3.2 Beta 3 Bug Fixes, Improvements, Issues
Not gonna lie... iOS has so many bugs, it's driving me crazy
iOS 9.3 Beta 5 Bug Fixes, Improvements, and Changes.

I go on like that about iOS 9 and when I defend one swipe in iOS 10, now I'm letting Tim stick it in me? WTF. Lol. You know me so well.

I certainly added to the discussion by pointing out how CC needs more than just one screen to do everything it does now, which includes controls for the Home app. Is the 9.3 CC perfect now? Because I remember that everyone hated the night shift button and the radius for the bottom icons.

Your screen name is iphone5preorder. The iPhone 5 had iOS 6 at launch, which had the multiple steps to control music as I mentioned before. Was it a giant pain back then?
 

kerrikins

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That's almost even more ridiculous. So now if I'm listening to audio, which is most of my day, I can't pull up and quickly adjust brightness settings like I do often? Or access DND function.

Bottom line, it's the opposite of what Apple is known for. It's no longer simple. It's added steps and wasted space.

I'll shut up now and be patient hoping they change it back but if not, this is for sure my last iPhone! People say that all the time but this change is too illogical for me to support. :).

A tweak to the control center is enough to make you take your toys and go home? Obviously you're entitled to your opinion but I don't get that, I can't imagine it mattering enough to me to switch operating systems. It's two seconds instead of one, I don't see the big deal.

Also, just wanted to add that I have a feeling that the change is partly to do with the new force touch options they added to flashlight, etc - harder to do that the smaller the icons are. So rather than having a huge control centre that takes up even more of the screen, they moved part of it to another section. Makes sense to me.
 
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iOSUser7

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Your screen name is iphone5preorder. The iPhone 5 had iOS 6 at launch, which had the multiple steps to control music as I mentioned before. Was it a giant pain back then?
I'm not saying you are an Apple defender or anything like that mate, but I wanted to comment on your last point.

Of course the music controls on iOS 6 were a pain compared to what we have now but the difference is that they drastically improved it with the release of iOS 7 and the control center whereas now with iOS 10 it's a huge step backward.
 

venividivigor

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Yeah, sure thing buddy. Bending over for Tim Cook and accepting anything Apple does is all I ever do.

Anyone downloading the iOS 10 Beta on release?
Nest Co-Founder Tony Fadell Leaving the Company
9.3.2 Beta 3 Bug Fixes, Improvements, Issues
Not gonna lie... iOS has so many bugs, it's driving me crazy
iOS 9.3 Beta 5 Bug Fixes, Improvements, and Changes.

I go on like that about iOS 9 and when I defend one swipe in iOS 10, now I'm letting Tim stick it in me? WTF. Lol. You know me so well.

I certainly added to the discussion by pointing out how CC needs more than just one screen to do everything it does now, which includes controls for the Home app. Is the 9.3 CC perfect now? Because I remember that everyone hated the night shift button and the radius for the bottom icons.

Your screen name is iphone5preorder. The iPhone 5 had iOS 6 at launch, which had the multiple steps to control music as I mentioned before. Was it a giant pain back then?


They could have clearly increased the height of the control center, adding an album art was totally unnecessary. It's even more unnecessary to have a music pane for the iPad Pro. So please tell me why you think it's okay to have its own music section?

Because I can't even scrub my music without accidentally moving the panes.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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I'm not saying you are an Apple defender or anything like that mate, but I wanted to comment on your last point.

Of course the music controls on iOS 6 were a pain compared to what we have now but the difference is that they drastically improved it with the release of iOS 7 and the control center whereas now with iOS 10 it's a huge step backward.
I'd only say that it is a small step backward. Once you slide to the side for music controls, they'll stay there any time you bring back CC in the future until the device is restarted. It's not like it requires multiple swipes every single time the way the inferior iOS 6 controls did by not being persistent.

They should make an option to set the page order for those who want music controls on page 1 and other controls on page 2.
 

BeeGood

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A tweak to the control center is enough to make you take your toys and go home? Obviously you're entitled to your opinion but I don't get that, I can't imagine it mattering enough to me to switch operating systems. It's two seconds instead of one, I don't see the big deal.

Also, just wanted to add that I have a feeling that the change is partly to do with the new force touch options they added to flashlight, etc - harder to do that the smaller the icons are. So rather than having a huge control centre that takes up even more of the screen, they moved part of it to another section. Makes sense to me.

What's frustrating to me (and likely others) is that Apple seems to be moving towards a philosophy of design over function.

There is, as of today, no reason for the control center to be on two pages. The idea in and of itself is absurd...think about it. It was built for quick, simple access to commonly used features. How is it quick and simple when you have multiple pages with everything under the sun? Isn't that what the spring board is for?

This thread has offered up interesting speculation on what Apple might have in mind, but if it's for some future enhancement(s), why release it now? Wait until they get the 3rd party APIs or additions toggles or whatever ready. If this is what's going on, this iteration of the control panel should still be in DEV on someone's local machine. Even if you accept the "just wait, it'll be cool next year" ideology, there's no valid reason to give us an extra panel and fill it with uselessness this year.

The new control center brings nothing to the table and there is no basis for believing that Apple has "something up its sleeve" that will have us saying, "Oh! It all makes sense now"!

This is someone's design, and that person forgot that people want to actually use the CC. Or worse, it's change simply for the sake of change. Either way, it's pretty crappy.
 
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the batman

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am i the only one who has never really used the control center? i mean, i use it to alter the brightness sometimes, but i'd definitely be ok if it disappeared
 

oldmacs

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I can't believe we still can't add things to control centre. WHY (for example) can we not turn personal hotspot on/off from there??
 
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Iphone5preorder

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am i the only one who has never really used the control center? i mean, i use it to alter the brightness sometimes, but i'd definitely be ok if it disappeared

Yes, you're the only one on the planet. Geez, after all these years of Internet, one guy has to make this post every time!
 
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