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ZEEN0j

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Uh uh...nope nope nope.

If iOS starts taking queues from watchOS, it will be the worst decision Apple has made since the iPhone's inception.

Cause not evolving anything and just adding more and more buttons to an already crowded window is a better idea? For me it seems Apple has bigger plans with a swipe up from button. This action is no longer limited to toggling wifi. Anything is possible. You could have app dependable Windows that are only there when you are using the app. Kinda like a Mac menu bar. To enhance functionallity. This is just speculation but being close minded doesn't help anyone.
 

SMIDG3T

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Please don't, because it's simply not true.
Lol. Thanks for making me laugh.
Don't be ridiculous, its not a bug. Apple would not advertise a bug all over their website and keynote. They even mentioned in the keynote how navigating through Music is easier and its more noticeable of where you are.

Right so when you make the system font bigger, the font in Apple Music gets smaller. Yeah, that's how it should work...
 
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BeeGood

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Cause not evolving anything and just adding more and more buttons to an already crowded window is a better idea? For me it seems Apple has bigger plans with a swipe up from button. This action is no longer limited to toggling wifi. Anything is possible. You could have app dependable Windows that are only there when you are using the app. Kinda like a Mac menu bar. To enhance functionallity. This is just speculation but being close minded doesn't help anyone.

You and I seem to have different definitions of "evolving".

If I have to swipe throug a million pages in control center, how am I better off than I was before control center when I had to click though millions of layers in the settings app?

I'm not, and in this case, I'm worse off now, because where I used to have immediate access to audio controls (the main thing that most people use it for) now there is an extra layer.

Why not just make the toggles customizable like they used to be in the old iPod app? Or if Apple is just hell bent on cramming functionalist into control center, just make the pane larger and keep buttons the same size (why make the night mode button huge??)

Decrease in functionality doesn't equal "evolution" in my book.
 

ZEEN0j

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You and I seem to have different definitions of "evolving".

If I have to swipe throug a million pages in control center, how am I better off than I was before control center when I had to click though millions of layers in the settings app?

I'm not, and in this case, I'm worse off now, because where I used to have immediate access to audio controls (the main thing that most people use it for) now there is an extra layer.

Why not just make the toggles customizable like they used to be in the old iPod app? Or if Apple is just hell bent on cramming functionalist into control center, just make the pane larger and keep buttons the same size (why make the night mode button huge??)

Decrease in functionality doesn't equal "evolution" in my book.

As I said. If you leave it on the music controls it will stay there. So now you have an even better screen to control your music.
 

BeeGood

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As I said. If you leave it on the music controls it will stay there. So now you have an even better screen to control your music.

That's cool, until I need a flashlight, which I also use everyday.

I don't want to come across as nitpicking, so I'll acknowledge that this is a minor thing in and of itself. However, it was totally unnecessary in my book.
 

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As I said. If you leave it on the music controls it will stay there. So now you have an even better screen to control your music.


At this point, this discussion is becoming a fact vs belief thing. Clearly you are missing the point that other guy and myself are trying to make. And because you have a hard on for Apple, you'll back them no matter what mindless change they make.

It's as simple as this. The current control center allows you to control everything from one screen. Instead of keeping it this way, they made one random app (night mode) huge, and moved the music controls to a second pane.

Please explain how that is an improvement? You can't. I guarantee it. The change goes against the definition of simplicity and functionality.

And before you say it, yes, it's just one more swipe. Congrats, your brain seems to be working. But WHY?!

It would be as if I went and added a gear to your car that you had to go into before going into drive. A new gear that you need to slide into, sit there for a second, and THEN let you switch to drive. It's the exact same thing. It provides Nothing new, it's just an added step. It's poor functionality, period.

I know you agree and understand this. Stop pretending it's not a ridiculous change.
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Solves zero. Now I need to swipe around to adjust brightness while listening to music.

You guys keep pretending this is the end all solution to this new added pointless step. The solution is to revert to ios9 control center and stop adding steps "for the sake of"

Alright. anyways. . I'm pretty sure they'll change it because someone will realize soon how pointless the change is.
 

ZEEN0j

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At this point, this discussion is becoming a fact vs belief thing. Clearly you are missing the point that other guy and myself are trying to make. And because you have a hard on for Apple, you'll back them no matter what mindless change they make.

It's as simple as this. The current control center allows you to control everything from one screen. Instead of keeping it this way, they made one random app (night mode) huge, and moved the music controls to a second pane.

Please explain how that is an improvement? You can't. I guarantee it. The change goes against the definition of simplicity and functionality.

And before you say it, yes, it's just one more swipe. Congrats, your brain seems to be working. But WHY?!

It would be as if I went and added a gear to your car that you had to go into before going into drive. A new gear that you need to slide into, sit there for a second, and THEN let you switch to drive. It's the exact same thing. It provides Nothing new, it's just an added step. It's poor functionality, period.

I know you agree and understand this. Stop pretending it's not a ridiculous change.
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Solves zero. Now I need to swipe around to adjust brightness while listening to music.

You guys keep pretending this is the end all solution to this new added pointless step. The solution is to revert to ios9 control center and stop adding steps "for the sake of"

Alright. anyways. . I'm pretty sure they'll change it because someone will realize soon how pointless the change is.

Why night shift is so big I have no idea. I'm certainly critical to a lot Apple is doing and not doing. But this, this is just complaining cause it's different. Did you have the same problem with notifications center when they split notifications and widgets into two different panels? Sure, they could have kept it with the rest of the toggles. But the way it was you had four buttons really close together (rewind, play, forward and link to app). And AirPlay next to airdrop. Not very organized. I haven't used ios10 yet. But it seems more refined and simple. But with a very minor inconvenience with an extra swipe.
 

Iphone5preorder

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Why night shift is so big I have no idea. I'm certainly critical to a lot Apple is doing and not doing. But this, this is just complaining cause it's different. Did you have the same problem with notifications center when they split notifications and widgets into two different panels? Sure, they could have kept it with the rest of the toggles. But the way it was you had four buttons really close together (rewind, play, forward and link to app). And AirPlay next to airdrop. Not very organized. I haven't used ios10 yet. But it seems more refined and simple. But with a very minor inconvenience with an extra swipe.

I can't speak for the Notification Center because I've never used it before.

But, you made my very point. You acknowledged it as a "inconvenience" and "extra swipe".

My question and purpose for this thread was if anyone could logically explain why or how this is an improvement. It was basically a rhetorical question. I knew nobody could do it.
 

ZEEN0j

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I can't speak for the Notification Center because I've never used it before.

But, you made my very point. You acknowledged it as a "inconvenience" and "extra swipe".

My question and purpose for this thread was if anyone could logically explain why or how this is an improvement. It was basically a rhetorical question. I knew nobody could do it.

And I was trying to express is that maybe that had to get sacrificed for a new way to interact with your phone. They split it up to make it more straight forward. That's why I'm hoping that they do something else with these cards. If it stays like this with only three cards if you have a smart home. Then I can agree with that they could have kept the media toggles with the other toggles. But, I understand why they did it.
 

Iphone5preorder

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And I was trying to express is that maybe that had to get sacrificed for a new way to interact with your phone. They split it up to make it more straight forward. That's why I'm hoping that they do something else with these cards. If it stays like this with only three cards if you have a smart home. Then I can agree with that they could have kept the media toggles with the other toggles. But, I understand why they did it.

I'm not sure what "cards" means. Are you talking about the multiple panes in the control center? I thought there was only two? One for everything but audio controls?
 

Hustler1337

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I just installed iOS 10 and my word, what a fail. I hit the MacRumors forum to have a rant about exactly what the thread starter mentioned and I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. 100% agree with everything Iphone5preorder wrote.

Swiping up to quickly change the volume or switch track was an essential, functional part of Control Centre. To make an additional swipe requirement completely defeats the purpose of having a quick-access navigation. I could open the full Music app in 2-steps, so I don't see why they've done it.

All this just to have a fat ass Night Shift button spreading it's legs across my screen. I really didn't think Night Shift was so popular it deserved such a prominent space on the Control Centre.

That's just Control Centre, I haven't even got to the rest of the UI. The UI team at Apple must have been snorting some serious sh** to come up with this pile of junk.
 

jamesarm97

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Exactly. I do this so much, especially at work when I am listening to music and need to swipe up and quickly pause playback to answer a call.

My frustration and shock is... Instead of being able to quickly swipe up and pause our music, we now need to swipe up, then swipe right, then pause. For what reason though? To make the night view application button extremely massive? To reduce the # of apps accessible on the first tab of the control center?
 
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Iphone5preorder

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I just installed iOS 10 and my word, what a fail. I hit the MacRumors forum to have a rant about exactly what the thread starter mentioned and I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. 100% agree with everything Iphone5preorder wrote.

Swiping up to quickly change the volume or switch track was an essential, functional part of Control Centre. To make an additional swipe requirement completely defeats the purpose of having a quick-access navigation. I could open the full Music app in 2-steps, so I don't see why they've done it.

All this just to have a fat ass Night Shift button spreading it's legs across my screen. I really didn't think Night Shift was so popular it deserved such a prominent space on the Control Centre.

That's just Control Centre, I haven't even got to the rest of the UI. The UI team at Apple must have been snorting some serious sh** to come up with this pile of junk.

Lol. Amen. Everyone involved in this control center project deserves a written warning.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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So, if I need to access something on the first pane, I have to swip again? Everything should show on one page, plain and simple.
I have to press home button twice to switch apps! My home screen has a bunch of pages of apps! Ugh! Put every app on one page! /s.

I remember when changing settings required leaving the app and opening the Settings app, and music controls always required a double-click on the home button and then another swipe.

One swipe is not a big deal, especially when listening to music makes it so you don't even need to do that swipe more than one time.
 
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Iphone5preorder

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I have to press home button twice to switch apps! My home screen has a bunch of pages of apps! Ugh! Put every app on one page! /s.

I remember when changing settings required leaving the app and opening the Settings app, and music controls always required a double-click on the home button and then another swipe.

One swipe is not a big deal, especially when listening to music makes it so you don't even need to do that swipe more than one time.

This doesn't add to the discussion. I've already proven why your point isn't anything but bending over for Tim Cook.

Imagine your car company adds another gear that you must enter before going into drive. It'll only take two seconds!! You just have to go into this gear and sit for a sec and then go to drive. What's the big deal? It's just one extra step.

If they told you that, I guarantee you'd be scratching your head wondering why on earth they did that. That's what we are doing here. The only difference is we don't bend over for Apple like you do .
 

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I really like the look of the new CC, but I don't like how music is on a second page. Having multiple pages is a pretty cool idea in theory, but right now they simply don't have enough content to support the decision. Maybe if there was more in the CC it would work well, but for now it is ugly and illogical.

I saw someone say that the dev preview is for dev's to test their apps and not for users to play with (as many of us do) which I guess makes sense, but this change is simply stupid. Music is one of the biggest uses for the CC, so moving it to a second page makes it both harder to access and makes it kind of a pain. CC defaulting to music when media is playing is horrendous because then it's harder to access brightness, wifi, etc.

Hopefully Apple fixes this for the public release, because this is awful.
 

Iphone5preorder

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Swiping up to quickly change the volume or switch track was an essential, functional part of Control Centre. To make an additional swipe requirement completely defeats the purpose of having a quick-access navigation. I could open the full Music app in 2-steps, so I don't see why they've done it.

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This is the most important point. What they've effectively done is given me zero incentive to use the control center to control my music. Instead, I might as well open the music app and pause. It's the same amount of clicks.
 
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