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New Mac Pro Available When?

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Given that the target demographic for this Mac is much more demanding and finicky, there is no way they are going to put out a half-baked release (e.g. FCP X). So if there are any potential problems (e.g. specification failures, part quality, supplier cost fluctuations, Maverick Integration issues, etc.) still remaining, they will simply announce a delay.

This is the lesser evil of having to choose between being half-baked or late.

Dec 31 - Pre-Order (last date to still meet "Dec" promise)
Feb 14 - In Store availability (buys them time to overcome production obstacles)
 
Have to admit. Didn't think I'd see the end of this week without the new MBP release. Most plausible reason I read was apple insuring they had a proper inventory. Here's to next week!
 
eladnova said:
Have to admit. Didn't think I'd see the end of this week without the new MBP release. Most plausible reason I read was apple insuring they had a proper inventory. Here's to next week!
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I'm going to freak if it's not next week. Now that I made my decision, committed, and rearranged my workspace in preparation I really want to see it!
 
jondunford said:
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It would be a bit odd for Apple to launch EU first, but perhaps having thrown them under the bus for almost 11 months with no Mac Pro perhaps it will go first there. Doubtful there are many other places with as big of pent-up demand for a sold as new Mac Pro.
 
Three Guys and a Podcast is reporting that the Mac Pro will be released post Christmas; December 30th at the earliest.
 
SeattleMoose said:
Given that the target demographic for this Mac is much more demanding and finicky, there is no way they are going to put out a half-baked release (e.g. FCP X). So if there are any potential problems (e.g. specification failures, part quality, supplier cost fluctuations, Maverick Integration issues, etc.) still remaining, they will simply announce a delay.

This is the lesser evil of having to choose between being half-baked or late.

Dec 31 - Pre-Order (last date to still meet "Dec" promise)
Feb 14 - In Store availability (buys them time to overcome production obstacles)
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fastlanephil said:
Three Guys and a Podcast is reporting that the Mac Pro will be released post Christmas; December 30th at the earliest.
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SeattleMoose... do you work for Three Guys and a Podcast? :p
 
VirtualRain said:
Three Guys and a Podcast? :p
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I saw that but they certainly have no idea.

From a marketing perspective a post Christmas release wouldn't be optimal. If they need to delay I'd expect it to turn into a preorder next week with shipping in the new year. But we'll have to see.
 
Cubemmal said:
From a marketing perspective a post Christmas release wouldn't be optimal.
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For one is it definitely post Fall so they blew the deadline they advertised in August time frame. Post Christmas US and pre Christmas EU might make the EU folks feel better having been thrown under the bus for most of the 2013. They'd still be shipping somewhere before Fall ends.

If they are having problems getting enough volume for worldwide demand the simple solution to that is just not do worldwide demand initially. it isn't like they don't have area segmented sales supply queues.




If they need to delay I'd expect it to turn into a preorder next week with shipping in the new year. But we'll have to see.
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With Apple's ultra lean inventories I don't think that would bring about good outcomes. Apple is built to order what folks order and then getting it out to stores/customers. Just taking orders and not shipping stuff only is going to built up an inventory unless they substantially change the way the systems normally work. Several of the hiccups in iMac orders seemed to correlate with extending the gap between order and ship for an extended period of time.


If they are going to blow the deadline, might as well fess up and just blow it. Three stunts in one year where talk about but don't "do" isn't much better than missing the deadline. They can blame it on the snowstorms or some other "dog ate my homework' excuse. LOL.
 
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My own guess is next week, most likely Monday/Tuesday; shipping immediately (remember that factory in TX has been building them since September) and in homes before Christmas.

I doubt stores will have it right away, but you never know. A secret weekend drop-off is not unusual. :)
 
omnious said:
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I doubt stores will have it right away, but you never know. A secret weekend drop-off is not unusual. :)
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Apple stores ? No because this is the time of year where the smaller and/or older ones drop the Mac Pro display to set up easier pick ups for order of magnitude faster moving items in the store.

It actually would make sense if the Mac Pro didn't appear in the brick and mortar stores until after the holiday sales rush and the display space becomes available again. At least on display.

The one upside to smaller box sold in is that should be some room in back-store inventory to hold more in the same volume formerly dedicated to the older model.

and in homes before Christmas.
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I suspect a relatively limited number of homes as the initial demand bubble will create a backlog. Apple will tap dance about how they are 'shocked' and pleased that demand has wiped out their initial supply. The Mac Pro is off to a insanely great start .... blah , blah , blah.

Folks who buy a standard config might get one. Folks who do BTO won't.
 
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Cubemmal said:
Note it is also 512GB. But I think this might be fake.
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Its $465 over the base 6-core for 16GB of extra ram and moving to the 512GB.

The 256-512 jump in the MBP is $300 and 2x8GB of RAM is about $200 Retail, so from Apple that should be closer to $400, unless Apple is turning over a new leaf as far as RAM pricing goes. So I’d expect this to be $4699, but $4464 is not wildly off.
 
deconstruct60 said:
I suspect a relatively limited number of homes as the initial demand bubble will create a backlog. Apple will tap dance about how they are 'shocked' and pleased that demand has wiped out their initial supply. The Mac Pro is off to a insanely great start .... blah , blah , blah.

Folks who buy a standard config might get one. Folks who do BTO won't.
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Perhaps you are hoping for something that might not happen - a wide spread adoption of an overpriced proprietary PC.

Granted those who want the latest and the greatest status symbol will immediately buy it, but those who actually want to do things with it might consider other options like iMac, MBP or even a PC.

Then again, many people have fallen for the "can't innovate my ass" and would buy it just because of that. I guess we'll see what happens and then we can reflect upon it. :)
 
wallysb01 said:
Its $465 over the base 6-core for 16GB of extra ram and moving to the 512GB.

The 256-512 jump in the MBP is $300 and 2x8GB of RAM is about $200 Retail, so from Apple that should be closer to $400, unless Apple is turning over a new leaf as far as RAM pricing goes. So I’d expect this to be $4699, but $4464 is not wildly off.
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Keep in mind that price quoted could be based on a discount similar to the educational pricing.

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omnious said:
Perhaps you are hoping for something that might not happen - a wide spread adoption of an overpriced proprietary PC.

Granted those who want the latest and the greatest status symbol will immediately buy it, but those who actually want to do things with it might consider other options like iMac, MBP or even a PC.

Then again, many people have fallen for the "can't innovate my ass" and would buy it just because of that. I guess we'll see what happens and then we can reflect upon it. :)
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The fact is, we'll never really know how successful it is since Apple never reports sales figures for individual products. All we'll know is if demand exceeds supply at launch - which could either mean limited supply or massive demand - so in effect, we'll know nothing. If the product continues for a second generation, you can conclude it was successful, but that's about it.
 
omnious said:
Perhaps you are hoping for something that might not happen - a wide spread adoption of an overpriced proprietary PC.

Granted those who want the latest and the greatest status symbol will immediately buy it, but those who actually want to do things with it might consider other options like iMac, MBP or even a PC.

Then again, many people have fallen for the "can't innovate my ass" and would buy it just because of that. I guess we'll see what happens and then we can reflect upon it. :)
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Oh, please don't give us that whiney tired trollish "overpriced" BS again. A base nMP is only $300 more than a loaded iMac or MBP, and you arguably get a lot more, and a similar PC is at LEAST $$2500, likely edging towards $2800. You are gonna going to save a lot if you build your own.

Yeah, it's a status symbol system.. I wonder why.. perhaps because they are good products?
 
wallysb01 said:
Its $465 over the base 6-core for 16GB of extra ram and moving to the 512GB.

The 256-512 jump in the MBP is $300 and 2x8GB of RAM is about $200 Retail, so from Apple that should be closer to $400, unless Apple is turning over a new leaf as far as RAM pricing goes. So I’d expect this to be $4699, but $4464 is not wildly off.
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I believe the $4464 price reflects a 3% business discount (I've heard that's what they get), which means full retail would be $4600. That's $300 for the 512gb SSD upgrade (like you said) and $300 for the additional 16GB RAM. Someone elsewhere claimed maxing out at 64GB will cost $1200 from Apple, so I guess figure $300 for every 16GB.
 
One way to look at any delays beyond next week is that you may have a bit more money saved up to buy some added BTO options. ;)

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Cory Bauer said:
I believe the $4464 price reflects a 3% business discount (I've heard that's what they get), which means full retail would be $4600. That's $300 for the 512gb SSD upgrade (like you said) and $300 for the additional 16GB RAM. Someone elsewhere claimed maxing out at 64GB will cost $1200 from Apple, so I guess figure $300 for every 16GB.
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That still seems a bit low for pricing on the 32GB RAM option, doesn't it? It would make more sense if it was in the $400 range IMHO (although I'd be pleasantly surprised to find out you're right).
 
SeattleMoose said:
Given that the target demographic for this Mac is much more demanding and finicky, there is no way they are going to put out a half-baked release (e.g. FCP X). So if there are any potential problems (e.g. specification failures, part quality, supplier cost fluctuations, Maverick Integration issues, etc.) still remaining, they will simply announce a delay.

This is the lesser evil of having to choose between being half-baked or late.

Dec 31 - Pre-Order (last date to still meet "Dec" promise)
Feb 14 - In Store availability (buys them time to overcome production obstacles)
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Perfect example of not knowing if the product will be popular to see if they will need to include some kind of upgrade features.
We are already looking at versions of MPmini.
This will also change as they will see a very low sales of it.
I would estimate a max of 5 to 10k unit sales in the first year, and about 20% returns. This will allow apple to build a much better and easier upgradible true mac pro and not a Mini MacPro or scrap the line completely.
I'm just hoping they will realize they made a mistake.
I do not know if you all remember the cube and the first macbook the aluminium version that change into macbook pro, they had it for about a year and the sales of MacBooks pro went down so they decided to come out with macbook air instead.
just my $0.02.
But everybody has an opinion.
Still waiting on true bench reports and test compering.
Write speeds to DVD and BR as well working with external drives 5.1 (4, 6, 8 and 12 core) VS 6.1 or 1.1 (4,6,8 and 12core) or whatever they will call it as well seeing performance in Photoshop.
Copying speeds from drive A to Drive B.
I will be watching development of this nMP especially as soon as it will hit the shelves,
Shoot if it looks cool I may buy one for my HT :).
 
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