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No 2018 iMac?!
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5) TrueTone display. If the LG monitors support it, Apple's built-in is a given.
Pretty sure they’ll just use 500X series GPUs, so minor bump to the GPU.Apple will make 6 core standard for the 27" like they did on the 2018 15", question is if they cancel the accessible RAM bay, if they do, expect to pay big $$$ for RAM.
I really don't think they'll give the GPU a big bump, but hope they would
The question is how hot they’ll run. I’d be inclined to get the extra level 6-core or perhaps mid-level. That is, if I were buying. I’m not since I have the cool running mid-level quad-core i5-7600.
All I’m wanting now is a macOS update to enable 4K streaming from iTunes, Netflix, and Amazon Prime.
Moving to 6 cores or more might need better cooling/ventilation which might be the end of user replaceable RAM.
I would change the better cooling for user upgradeable RAM like in the iMac Pro.
The bezels are fine for me. I like the contrast its giving me against bright/white back walls or outside. Compared to dell infinity edge displays for example.
Isn't netflix 4k just some copyright issue? So when it comes to macOS it will probably be available on older models as well
I would change the better cooling for user upgradeable RAM like in the iMac Pro.
The bezels are fine for me. I like the contrast its giving me against bright/white back walls or outside. Compared to dell infinity edge displays for example.
Isn't netflix 4k just some copyright issue? So when it comes to macOS it will probably be available on older models as well
Obviously, none of these are givens they are all desires and guesses at what will take place.
not even the current DDR4 RAM ?
) if nonne of these are givens then no upgrade..so these are givens
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Relative to the post title, they are not. There is no promise that a 2018 iMac will drop. Yes, there are a lot of people who are wanting one (myself included). But these are not "givens" for 2018.not even the current DDR4 RAM ?
It is damn close to it, with the exception that they start at 8 cores not 6 and few thousand more to start off.
Apple will make 6 core standard for the 27" like they did on the 2018 15", question is if they cancel the accessible RAM bay, if they do, expect to pay big $$$ for RAM.
I really don't think they'll give the GPU a big bump, but hope they would
Total price for me for the 27" i7-7700k with all I need included + tax is $3,500
I would like to get the 65w 6 core i5 and not have to worry about heat issues. If so, I can go with a more base model and not have to upgrade as much.
I'd hate to have to still pay $3,500 for an = product but would be even more annoying if I have to spend more to get something similar.
how so? imac pro has xeon and ECC RAM....up to 128, Vega gpu, BT5 even the iphones and macbook pro has it
Faster SSD every generation we had an increase, up to 4T we have now on macbook pro....so again...these are given if Apple wants to update the imacs, and in proportion of 90% they will
With all the talk about a new iMac later this year (probably a spec update) and Ming Chi Kuo’s report/rumour of there being more to the display, does anyone actually notice the difference in day to day use of the current 5K iMac?
I still use my 2012 iMac and to me (at the moment) it looks good when doing stuff like web browsing and editing video in Final Cut or iMovie. Yes I will upgrade at some point BUT is a 5K display really worth it? especially since I have read that you can’t view Netflix in 4K or YouTube footage in 4 or 5K?
I still use my 2012 iMac and to me (at the moment) it looks good when doing stuff like web browsing and editing video in Final Cut or iMovie. Yes I will upgrade at some point BUT is a 5K display really worth it? especially since I have read that you can’t view Netflix in 4K or YouTube footage in 4 or 5K?
I use my 2k 27" ACD as my main monitor and love it think its a great compromise. Performance is better too as not pushing 14mp at 60fps. The 5k display for me is a downside, the graphics chips arent powerful enough and mid range even the iMac pros vega chips are just about powerful enough. Would rather have a headless mac option but alas it aint going to happen any time soon.
The reason Apple is probably holding off is the high end i7 and i9 8 series chips will rival the base iMac pro or even surpass it (if the PC benchmarks are to go by) for a fair chunk of change less and you will probably be able to add yout own ram. For 90% of people the i series are a better choice. The iMac pro is going to be one of those products... around for 2 minutes, made to fill a void.
What apple will do is cripple the 5k iMac with poor cooling meaning they have the potential to be quick but will throttle and sound ready to take off most of the time.
The reason Apple is probably holding off is the high end i7 and i9 8 series chips will rival the base iMac pro or even surpass it (if the PC benchmarks are to go by) for a fair chunk of change less and you will probably be able to add yout own ram. For 90% of people the i series are a better choice. The iMac pro is going to be one of those products... around for 2 minutes, made to fill a void.
What apple will do is cripple the 5k iMac with poor cooling meaning they have the potential to be quick but will throttle and sound ready to take off most of the time.
They are holding off on updating all of the Mac’s (except the MacBook Pro’s) at the moment, I don’t know why they didn’t just update them all at the same time along with the same press release, especially if all we are getting this year are spec bumps anyway. I don’t know about the latest specs and releases from Intel and so on maybe there is a reason they couldn’t update them all at the same time?
Would be nice for Apple to give the Mac’s some love in the form of redesigns, not that I hate my 2012 iMac I actually really like the thin design BUT I have had it since they first came out and would love Apple to do something design wise.
Even for just web browsing, the 2880p iMacs look way, way better than the 1440p models. Not even in the same league.
This will only get magnified on Mojave, since it doesn’t look great on old machines with non-Retina displays, I believe due to the requirement of Metal for font smoothing.
I’m not entirely sure how this will affect me as I currently have a 2.5K iMac used as an external monitor for a 5K iMac. I’ll have to test the beta. It will be an interesting combo since the 2.5K iMac is non-Retina but obviously the 5K iMac has Metal.
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The 5k is downside? Not powerful enough for what? How can you tell if you not using it?
The recent reports/tests on youtube show that even the 13" MBP with eGPU and 5k display is running Davinci Resolve and FCPX pretty nicely so I would expect that iMac with beefier cpu and faster ram would run just fine.
We have zero hard evidence for anything, only inferences that can be drawn from other things, so consequently nothing is "given".
Have you used one? UI is super slow on most programs like final cut, lightroom etc etc
When editing a picture for example just changing the exposure quickly its driving the monitor at 14mp at 60FPS its needs a heavy graphics card. Go into any apple store boot up photos, find a D810 image as there are raw files in there. Try changing the exposure on a 5k iMac or an iMac pro... its so sluggish its beyond belief, do the same on a macbook pro and its buttery smooth because the display is half the resolution. Vega 56 was designed for 2k not 5k. Let alone RX series.
The apple store "genius" was baffled at the above.
Too much resolution. I bought my father a 5k iMac for Christmas and found that when you zoom to 100% in lightroom it takes 2-3 seconds to render a preview even when you have imported at 1:1. I attached my 27" 2k ACD and used it as the main monitor and guess what... buttery smooth. Im a wedding and events photographer, if I edit 500 images and only zoom in once it would add 50 minutes onto my workflow just sat waiting. I generally make multiple adjustment and zoom in quite a few times... I would rather have a lower resolution monitor than add hours to my workflow.
if even those are not given, then Apple will drop the imac, or will never upgrade it...but its hard to believe that...so the upgrade will come this year or next year..
Maybe Apple is holding for an October event and for Vega dGpu...vega dGpu is not a given for example
[doublepost=1533651995][/doublepost]I don't think Apple can put all of the updates in just 1 event, the one from September
We have new apple watches, new iphones, new ipad pro, new imacs, maybe new macbook and maybe new iMacs, maybe a 5 minutes talk about the airpower and the new Airpods 2
I rarely use photos but according to dpreviews forum comments Lightroom cc classic is really fluid.
Couple of users reporting high fan speeds and the rest say that fan is close to idle even when exporting 10’s of large dslr files. Like the ones from 5DsR
Of course it’s just forum talk...
My own experiences with the 5k iMac are just playing around with it in a store.
I’ve been using Lightroom since the original release and it would be hard to imagine if the beefiest consumer Mac would not handle it. On the road I edit usually with a 12” MacBook and even with that the zoom to 100% is like a snap so 2 to 3 seconds sounds something i don’t buy easily
Maybe if using fusion drive...
Couple of users reporting high fan speeds and the rest say that fan is close to idle even when exporting 10’s of large dslr files. Like the ones from 5DsR
Of course it’s just forum talk...
My own experiences with the 5k iMac are just playing around with it in a store.
I’ve been using Lightroom since the original release and it would be hard to imagine if the beefiest consumer Mac would not handle it. On the road I edit usually with a 12” MacBook and even with that the zoom to 100% is like a snap so 2 to 3 seconds sounds something i don’t buy easily
Maybe if using fusion drive...
No offence but that one statement that lightroom is fluid blatantly shows how little experience you have with it. Lightroom has never been fluid nor quick and even stupidly powerful rigs are not smooth. Its getting better, metal and CC updates have made a big difference. Like most CC programs its a hog.
The display and the graphics card options are the limiting factor. You cant get away from the fact if your using a 50mp camera then pushing 14mp at 60fps while trying to do quick adjustments the UI is laggy. Ye it looks great but the performance difference is quite large between the same hardware on a 2k vs 5k. Obviously you can reduce the image resolution to render faster which is set as default but whats the point in having the display if your rendering at low res.
Im not going to argue with you, I do this for a living day in day out and it makes a big difference when you are editing hundreds of images a week.
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No offense taken. I do make my living working with computers. It’s just that you are pretty much the only one who complains about super slow UI. All the tech reviews I red say the exact opposite.
Maybe I have a lack of experience in the 5k iMac but when it comes to Lightroom or FCPX or what it takes to run them I think my experience is good enough to participate this discussion
Maybe I have a lack of experience in the 5k iMac but when it comes to Lightroom or FCPX or what it takes to run them I think my experience is good enough to participate this discussion
I agree with the other commenters who have replied to your post, nothing is a given in today's world.
Here is what I think will be in the next iteration of the iMac -
1) A mix of 8th Gen and 9th Gen CPUs w/ 8th Gen on the 21.5" and 9th Gen on the 27" iMac. My reasoning is that the 9th Gen CPUs may not be readily available when they are announced and since the 27" is the flagship, it will get 9th Gen first and foremost.
2) 802.11ac/BT 5.0 seems like a logical progression because the MacBook Pro series just received them.
3) I see no evidence that Intel is giving the 9th Gen a higher DRAM ceiling, but it would be a pleasant surprise. So, yes, up to 64GB of 2400MHz DDR4 DRAM.
4) Seeing as this is still Apple's main consumer desktop, I do not see them going past a 2TB SSD, but it is certainly a wildcard.
5) Radeon 500x series GPUs
6) Gigabit Ethernet, two Thunderbolt 3 ports, 4 USB 3 ports, SDXC, headphone will most likely stay the same.
Up for debate
1) User accessible DRAM slots - Because I think Apple will take the thermal lessons learned with the iMac Pro and move them down the chain, which means no more DRAM door. My guess: 50/50.
2) T2 chip - The T2 was introduced in the iMac Pro and then the MacBook Pro just recently in July. If Apple decides to incorporate the T2 chip into the iMac, it will probably be just the 27", which means it will most likely be available with only Flash Storage options. My guess: Yeah, I do not have one.
3) New enclosure - I think Apple is going to hold off on this until they get a bit more mileage out of the iMac Pro. Still silver. My guess: 0/100.
4) Display upgrades - If you consider True Tone an upgrade, sure. I think we might see HDR support come to the iMac, but what will that mean? Will Apple have a display with a larger than P3 color gamut? Will the display support HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG? One of them, two of them, all three? Will the display be a true 10-bit? 10-bit FRC? What about the iMac Pro? Will it get the same upgrade? Too many open questions here. Frankly, I have no idea. To me, this is the real wild card.
5) If the 27" gets 9th Gen CPUs, will the Core i9-9900K (8c/16t) overlap with the entry level Xeon W-2140B too much? Again, I think Apple is going to drop the 8-core option on the iMac Pro, bring the 10-core Xenon W-2150B down to the $4999 price point and make the as yet unreleased 22-core Xeon W the top CPU for the iMac Pro.
6) USB-C ports replacing traditional USB Type-A. The Z390 PCH makes this a real possibility. My guess 40/100.
Too close to the iMac Pro?
No, and for a few reasons -
1) The iMac Pro can be upgraded to 128GB of ECC DRAM 2666MHz. The current iMac is restricted to 64GB of non-ECC DRAM 2400MHz. This is meaningful to those who need ECC and a higher ceiling than 64GB.
2) AMD Radeon Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPUs. The current iMac uses Radeon Pro 500-series GPUs and should only see a minor update to the 500X-series as the 2018 MacBook Pros did. This is meaningful for a lot of Pros who benefit from the Vega 56 and 64.
3) CPUs - The Intel Xeon W-series has a higher TDP (140w vs 95w/65w for the Core series) and more cores period.
4) Four Thunderbolt 3 ports - Only really possible on the Xeon W-series as the CPUs have x48 PCIe lanes, versus the Core CPUs that have a max of x16 PCIe lanes, which basically restricts the CPU to communicating with just the GPU as Apple does not mess with that connection. There should be enough PCIe lanes on the 300-series PCH to have two Thunderbolt 3 controllers, but Apple probably is not eager to have two TB3 controllers @x4, the Flash Storage @x4 and all of the other various items (Wi-Fi, USB 3 ports, SDXC, et al) going over the 8GT/s DMI bus, but I digress.
Although, I think the i9-9900K is going to gives the Xeon W-2140B a run for its money from a synthetic benchmark perspective, will it have the legs to keep up, or is the overlap enough that Apple slots the 10-core down to the entry level and puts 22-cores at the top end of the iMac Pro. I guess we will find out.
The spec bumps etc are a given, there is no way they will let the MBPs be faster than an iMac.
What I really want (but likely won't get) is a complete redesign (the bezels are a joke in 2018), and better cooling. Given it's a desktop, cooling should be it's biggest advantage over a laptop, yet iMacs still run at 90+ degrees. That imo is not acceptable.
What I really want (but likely won't get) is a complete redesign (the bezels are a joke in 2018), and better cooling. Given it's a desktop, cooling should be it's biggest advantage over a laptop, yet iMacs still run at 90+ degrees. That imo is not acceptable.