for better cooling Apple will must go for only SSD, no more fusion to make space inside for the 2 vents..i really hope they will do that, and yes, since Apple reduce the bezels on iphoneX, on ipad pro, on the next apple watch, on the MBP...the imac remains the only displays device with the same size bezels like 8 years ago ?!
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No 2018 iMac?!
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If you wanna treat iMac like a toy then yes, lets remove all the bloody bezels just like in an iPhone you mention and have another crippled device with thermal limitation worse than now. Because all of us here really want Apple to produce toys for looks and not for utility!
I would rather have thicker iMac that has proper thermal ceiling and cooling that can handle load and doesn't need to sound like a wind turbine everytime I do simple task. (thread about certain cpu&gpu options)
So please, no more redesign that is useless. The only redesign that we should really be asking for is iMac Pro style for the internals. So the cooling is better and more efficient.
Yup. Make it as thick as it needs to be, add a door to change out the HD and one more for the RAM and we're all happy. I really don't think many of us care how thin it is. It's on a desktop.
Leave the bezels on the iMac Pro if the extreme power users demand it so, but I still want those hideous things shrunk on the consumer iMac by next redesign, thank you very much.
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You honestly think Apple is going to keep the memory bay door for the next iMac after they’ve removed it from the iMac Pro?
Really?
The good news however is that Apple is making a machine that’s going to be catered for you and the extreme vocal minority: It’s the 2019 Mac Pro.
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Leave the bezels on the iMac Pro if the extreme power users demand it so, but I still want those hideous things shrunk on the consumer iMac by next redesign, thank you very much.
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You honestly think Apple is going to keep the memory bay door for the next iMac after they’ve removed it from the iMac Pro?
Really?
The good news however is that Apple is making a machine that’s going to be catered for you and the extreme vocal minority: It’s the 2019 Mac Pro.
Honestly? No. But I think a sweeping gesture to the faithful would go a long way to show that they really care about their customers more than their bottom line. Especially after their financial milestone they just hit.
you dont know what are you talking about...making the bezels reduce it doesn't have to do anything with thermals...hey, for people like you, you should buy a pre 2012 imac, and you can change the internals
Again, thicker imac maybe, but bezels, not the same thing its just something aesthetics...you look at the display and not to "how thick" is behind...
So i keep my hope, an imac with reduced bezels but with the cooling system from imac pro
https://wccftech.com/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-core-x-refresh-cpu-family-october-launch/
It looks like the new CPUs are just two months away, so I hope Apple will use these instead of the 8th gen ones. What I'm quite sad about is the absence of the Vega Mobile GPUs. I don't really want to buy a machine with a graphics card that was rebranded twice.
It looks like the new CPUs are just two months away, so I hope Apple will use these instead of the 8th gen ones. What I'm quite sad about is the absence of the Vega Mobile GPUs. I don't really want to buy a machine with a graphics card that was rebranded twice.
8Cores? i hope its get real, but in this case Apple really need to make the 27" with the same cooling system like imac pro...from manufacturing point of view, will be cheaper for Apple doing so, otherwise, 8C i think is way too much for the current enclosure
Please don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't think you can do a fair evaluation of my knowledge based on a simple post.
Regardless, the bezels = space. If they reduce the bezels and have less chin then if they don't increase the thickness then they just lost a valuable space inside to deal with temperature which would need to be compensated somewhere and somehow.
So, leave the bezels and improve thermals inside (ala iMac Pro) or remove the bezels and make it thicker (very unlikely but its a valid option). Either way, don't cripple the device further. Not everyone wants to have iMac Pro for that price tag and not everyone is using computer just to check mails and facebook.
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What do bezels have to do with cooling? This is a terrible argument. Apple ruined the iMacs cooling when they made a DESKTOP computer so bloody thin, and if you open up an iMac 50% of it is wasted space. iMacs are basically a laptop stuck to the back of a good screen.
hahaha, what are you smoking? The CPU and GPU are more than enough to power the 5k screen. As someone who works professionally with Final cut pro and Lightroom, the computer runs both programs buttery smoooooth. I've had my 2017 iMac for two weeks now. Added upgrades were the i7 and SSD. The only thing I could think of is if you were using a in-store model the fusion drive, maybe that was causing the god awful "2-3 second delay."
I also the love people on here talking about the bezels and design... its a desktop computer, not a fashion statement lol. At that this computer still looks amazing all these years later.
I believe the argument against smaller bezels is that will reduce the overall internal volume for airflow in a system that does not seem to cool the iMac very well as it is.
Unfortunately, Apple did the exact opposite of what you outline. They took 95w TDP desktop CPUs, 120w TDP GPUs and spinning platter HDDs and put them inside a case that would probably do quite well with a 45w TDP CPU, a 35w TDP GPU and pure flash storage. I hope they at least take the lessons learned from engineering the iMac Pros thermals and apply them to the next iteration of the 21/5" and 27" iMacs.
Of course, all of this could be alleviated if Apple would simply release some sort of tower that used the same components, added the requisite number of fans in the proper configuration and sold the 5K display separately, but I digress.
I agree. Even my 2007 iMac that my new 2017 replaced still looks great, thicker chin and bezels and all. That being said, I think it was NOT a good idea for Apple to obsess over the thickness of the iMac case. Like you said. it's a desktop, not a laptop, and you don't even see the thickness when you're sitting in front of it. I don't recall people screaming for thinner iMacs, do you? And making them thinner just for aesthetic reasons has certainly limited the options, especially for cooling. I would be just as happy if my 2017 was the same thickness as my 2007. Then they could have more easily eliminated most of the bezels and shut everyone here up.
like i said...reduce bezels why you mean reduce space?? maybe from 27" we go 30" with the same space...so plz...less bezels don't affect the cooling system. And the fusion drive/hdd has a lot of space, get rid of it, and you can easy put the imac pro cooling system...so..to have a nicer display with proper cooling is a must have for 2018. If you dont care about how the imacs looks today, you can easy buy a pre 2012 and change the internals with newer onesPlease don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't think you can do a fair evaluation of my knowledge based on a simple post.
Regardless, the bezels = space. If they reduce the bezels and have less chin then if they don't increase the thickness then they just lost a valuable space inside to deal with temperature which would need to be compensated somewhere and somehow.
So, leave the bezels and improve thermals inside (ala iMac Pro) or remove the bezels and make it thicker (very unlikely but its a valid option). Either way, don't cripple the device further. Not everyone wants to have iMac Pro for that price tag and not everyone is using computer just to check mails and facebook.
@fokmik - be nicer
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Agree, that user dont know what is talking about
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So let the imac look like the first gen from decades ago? Don't forget from what and how it all begun, to be an beautiful all in one and not to have a mess of everything on your desk...so looks does it matter...EVERYTHING SHOULD matter for the premium price of Apple. Looks, performance, heat, components and so onhahaha, what are you smoking? The CPU and GPU are more than enough to power the 5k screen. As someone who works professionally with Final cut pro and Lightroom, the computer runs both programs buttery smoooooth. I've had my 2017 iMac for two weeks now. Added upgrades were the i7 and SSD. The only thing I could think of is if you were using a in-store model the fusion drive, maybe that was causing the god awful "2-3 second delay."
I also the love people on here talking about the bezels and design... its a desktop computer, not a fashion statement lol. At that this computer still looks amazing all these years later.
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So here is the problem - you talk about reducing bezels whilst using that space for more screen - didn't mention that before. It wouldn't work btw. because you would have weird aspect ratio I would guess unless it was made bigger on left and right side.
I talk about removing bezels ie, cut that part and have the iMac look just like a screen (thats how I interpreted your wish to remove the bezels).
Now, basic physics/math - if you remove physically bezels ie. making the encloser smaller in cubic volume then of course it affects the thermals (air flow etc.)
HOWEVER - if you remove the bezels and fill that space with screen for example then you are not physically reducing the cubic volume and therefore have the same room for thermals.
Either way, it depends on angle but simply making the box smaller (removing the bezels physically) WILL affect the thermals!!! Thats without a doubt the case - so for Apple to tackle it they need to create something more effective that would make up for the lost volume + little more as the current iMacs are not very well designed for high specs CPUs/GPUs
Why do you think Alienware can load the notebooks (for example) with high end GPU and Apple can't? Simple volume inside the laptop for airflow etc.!
Why do you think they couldn't update the nMac Pro? Simply because they hit the thermal envelope of that machine because it was that small and the design didn't allow to make it better so nMac Pro wasn't update. (Apple said themselves)
So again, don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. I made a valid point which you refuse to see (which is fine) but then don't tell me that I don't know.
Others mentioned the same thing so please, think about it
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“So let the imac look like the first gen from decades ago? Don't forget from what and how it all begun, to be an beautiful all in one and not to have a mess of everything on your desk...so looks does it matter...EVERYTHING SHOULD matter for the premium price of Apple. Looks, performance, heat, components and so on ”
Lol, what I’m saying is it’s a damn computer...and one that looks amazing still. The fact that you care so much about the bezels being so thick is laughable, does the bezel thickness mess with your abitly to perform tasks on the computer? You are getting so hot and bothered over the look of a computer... whether they are 5” thick or 4mm, it’s just a preference.
“So let the imac look like the first gen from decades ago? Don't forget from what and how it all begun, to be an beautiful all in one and not to have a mess of everything on your desk...so looks does it matter...EVERYTHING SHOULD matter for the premium price of Apple. Looks, performance, heat, components and so on ”
Lol, what I’m saying is it’s a damn computer...and one that looks amazing still. The fact that you care so much about the bezels being so thick is laughable, does the bezel thickness mess with your abitly to perform tasks on the computer? You are getting so hot and bothered over the look of a computer... whether they are 5” thick or 4mm, it’s just a preference.
You have to remember there is a range of models here. Cooling isn’t an issue in the low-end models, and for those models it’s more important to meet a price point, ergo it may still make sense to offer a spinning HDD option in the low end. Conversely at the high-end - empirical evidence in this forum and others indicates that it’s really only the i7 model that has a cooling issue (and even then it’s relatively minor), and presumably the vast majority of people that buy the i7 buy it with an SSD. So I don’t agree with your comment that “for better cooling Apple will [sic] must go for only SSD”.
And I don’t think that Apple’s decision making on what to do with bezels on the iMac has much to do with what they decide to do with bezels on other devices, or to do with the specific number of years the current bezels have been there. That’s not how product teams typically make decisions.
You are talking so much about you don’t care about design but still you love the current one,if apple was listen to you they should keep the first gen imac or the plastic one etc
So if you don’t care about moving on with the times,you should stay with 24” imac with plastic floppy disk and so on
Macbook pro is a computer too but im glad apple got rid of bezels and its lighter than for example an 2010 one but far more performant
So Apple is doing the right thing not to listen people like you because otherwise we would still be on the first gen imac macbooks and so on
Everything SHOULD MATTER if you don’t care about something then your ambitions are less than mine
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Agree ! But Apple could ,like they did,with the retina put the 27” a priority and after another year let the 21” be the same...i mean in late 2019 to have a hdd even in a 1000$ all in one it would be a bad joke since Apple can go full ssd but to meet a lower price they can put standard a lower performance 256 ssd like 300mbs read/write and BTO better ones
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Dramatic much? I’m. Not saying they should keep the design to be stagnant, I’m saying it’s trvial. Cooling/profotmance should be a bigger priority than your prefered looks.
Agree! I prefer Apple should gives us the cooling and the looks,or they can’t because there are no longer experience people
Their focus now its to shrink the bezels into the watch..i respect that but the mac for me was and still is the heart of Apple
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Cool design and OS X are why Mac is popular. An "ugly" thicker Mac is DOA.
Apple could combine a cool design with better cooling and they do not excel at the latter. MP 2013: essentially low velocity airflow over a naked chip? What about using some heatsinks for larger area to diffuse heat off and speed up the air velocity using constrictions? The reason? 2013 MP transformed into iMP.
The iMP cooling system is proof that sufficient cooling for sufficiently powerful computers is possible and the cooling refinements are furthermore far form the bezel space. I always wondered why not the large Al backside could be used as a passive coolers on iMacs...
Silence is a bless - so design giving cool computers can pay off! However, it is easier to sell a new look that lack of noise.
Apple could combine a cool design with better cooling and they do not excel at the latter. MP 2013: essentially low velocity airflow over a naked chip? What about using some heatsinks for larger area to diffuse heat off and speed up the air velocity using constrictions? The reason? 2013 MP transformed into iMP.
The iMP cooling system is proof that sufficient cooling for sufficiently powerful computers is possible and the cooling refinements are furthermore far form the bezel space. I always wondered why not the large Al backside could be used as a passive coolers on iMacs...
Silence is a bless - so design giving cool computers can pay off! However, it is easier to sell a new look that lack of noise.
Sorry, but what a load of rubbish. How is having thin bezels turning it into a toy? Is the $1000 iPhone X a toy? Is the upcoming iPad Pro a toy?
As for the cooling, the 1 inch section behind bezel is the thinnest part of the iMac. There is nothing behind it but a small section of speaker cover. It would be very easy to slim the bezel down to be more modern, and make the angle of the back cover slightly more acute to allow the same space internally further in where the main board lies. Which may i also add, wouldn't be required to be as thick in the first place if they also went all SSD! (..as i would expect for a 2018/19 desktop that's approaching the $2000 mark.)
I don't know, I'm not sure I want a screen that just kinda blends with its surroundings. I do graphic design for a living and I like having the 1 inch black separation between my monitor and the room. To me it puts more of a focus on what I'm doing. Reducing the bezels would look great when I walk into the room, so I get the appeal, I'm just not sure it's practical while working.
Hmm, I think I misunderstood. I thought you meant to remove the bezels including the chin so thats why I reacted that we might have thermal challenges.
If you want just the bezels and not the chin then I guess that should affect it but probably not by much. Bigger screen would be nice
But as @Release mentioned, having a little separation is better for working
If you want just the bezels and not the chin then I guess that should affect it but probably not by much. Bigger screen would be nice
But as @Release mentioned, having a little separation is better for working