I use Windows 10 and macOS daily, as well, and while I find Windows 10 perfectly acceptable, I prefer macOS and continue to find it a more...elegant...operating system.
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No 2018 iMac?!
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No outrage from me. I've heard that Windows 7 was fine and Windows 10 is actually not bad either.
Unfortunately, I'm still a bit stuck with the past and really don't feel I'm brave enough yet to try it again but if Apple continues the way it does then Maybe I will consider building a PC again.
I use Windows 10 regularly too but in general I don't prefer it. Most of the things I don't like about it are minor, but they add up.
Part of it is just the lack of the Apple ecosystem. I know I can access iCloud from a browser for some things, but it's just nice to have Photos and Notes and Reminders and iMessage and all those things I do on my iPhone show up on my computer too. When I use my PC, I feel disconnected from all that. Maybe if I wasn't an iPhone user, I'd feel differently.
Then the rest is just smaller, but things like: macOS works seamlessly with my printer. Never has on Windows 10. Often says the printer is offline when it's not. I've had that issue with multiple printers and multiple PCs! macOS allows really easy input of foreign characters (which, as a linguistics student, I use a lot); on Windows you have to download third party software and it never works as well. Not to mention my home-built PC has had issues with waking from sleep and graphics glitches. I recognize that might not happen if I had bought an OEM PC, but still. Another check against my PC.
And all the Windows mail apps are terrible. They all pale in comparison to the native macOS Mail app. Windows still feels "clunky" to me. Yes it's better than it used to be, but it still hasn't reached the level of macOS for me.
Part of it is just the lack of the Apple ecosystem. I know I can access iCloud from a browser for some things, but it's just nice to have Photos and Notes and Reminders and iMessage and all those things I do on my iPhone show up on my computer too. When I use my PC, I feel disconnected from all that. Maybe if I wasn't an iPhone user, I'd feel differently.
Then the rest is just smaller, but things like: macOS works seamlessly with my printer. Never has on Windows 10. Often says the printer is offline when it's not. I've had that issue with multiple printers and multiple PCs! macOS allows really easy input of foreign characters (which, as a linguistics student, I use a lot); on Windows you have to download third party software and it never works as well. Not to mention my home-built PC has had issues with waking from sleep and graphics glitches. I recognize that might not happen if I had bought an OEM PC, but still. Another check against my PC.
And all the Windows mail apps are terrible. They all pale in comparison to the native macOS Mail app. Windows still feels "clunky" to me. Yes it's better than it used to be, but it still hasn't reached the level of macOS for me.
Let's look at this then - iCloud, I have switched off. I don't use Photos, Google Photos is far superior, don't use reminders or iMessage. My Samsung laser printer has never failed to connect/lost a connection either with Windows or MacOS. My self-build PC never misses a beat and always wakes up and third party software is one of the great attractions for Windows. Because there is so much competition the software is very very good. Finally email - I'm sorry but Apple Mail has always been pretty terrible and is not in the same league as either Outlook or Postbox.
I think Apple hardware is very good and OS X used to be good to. However, with the advent of iOS, OS X just hasn't had the development resources or financial resources it should have had and as a result Windows (which has continued to receive significant development) is now the better system. The final point I would make is that MacOS now looks incredibly dated, it feels and looks very much like it did over a decade ago.
Whilst you may not agree, it is what it is.
You state it is what it is....but in reality it is YOUR personal opinion so don’t make it an state of fact.
It is and always has been a personal choice what OS you use in your daily life....
Windows has it’s fair amount of faults as does macOS , you weigh in what you can live with and what not.
For me i use Apple’s macs for professional use for audio which works very well for me, if i would have to use windows the crashes would fly around my ears even with your precious windows 10.
And because i use macs at the studio i have them at home as well because Apple’s eco system just works very well for me.
If you want to discuss software OS i would suggest you go over to the proper thread, this is the No iMac 2018 ?! thread.
It is and always has been a personal choice what OS you use in your daily life....
Windows has it’s fair amount of faults as does macOS , you weigh in what you can live with and what not.
For me i use Apple’s macs for professional use for audio which works very well for me, if i would have to use windows the crashes would fly around my ears even with your precious windows 10.
And because i use macs at the studio i have them at home as well because Apple’s eco system just works very well for me.
If you want to discuss software OS i would suggest you go over to the proper thread, this is the No iMac 2018 ?! thread.
Off topic. Anyhoo, it's kinda moot, because with an iMac you can run both Windows 10 and macOS.
At first I thought you were crazy but then I began thinking about how Apple does business. They're probably going to release a 27" and 32" iMac while leaving the current 21.5" in the store. The 27" will probably adopt the same design as the iMac Pro because they don't want to waste resources redesigning the 27". The newer 32" will likely have higher specs like an OLED option. All prices will go up.
Realizing that this was more likely than an all around redesign with prices unchanged, I purchased a late 2015" iMac 21.5" off of eBay for slightly under $1,000. Specs include a 3.3 GHz i7, 500 GB SSD, and 16 GB's of ram. When the new iMacs come out, people will be paying through the nose for them. The 2017 models will still be pretty expensive because Apple will continue to sell them. People who won't be able to afford the 2019 models will buy the 2017 iMac instead. Meanwhile, I'll be using my sub $1,000 iMac happily.
Prices will remain high because Apple likes it that way. Look at what they did with the iPhone line. They killed off the iPhone SE because they their logic is that $750 for an overpriced piece of hardware is better than $400. Then they try to up sell you to the $1,000 iPhone because that's pretty close to the $750 iPhone, right? When your budget phone is $750, you're going to need a lot of suckers to stay relevant. I'm not going to be that sucker. I'll stick to my iPhone 7 and late 2015" iMac until either Apple reverses course or I switch to different brands.
No, it is a fact. Apple has not really been interested in it's computer division for some time, as attested to by industry pundits (those that aren't indirectly dependant on Apple for their livelihoods that is).
It's only lately (due to a slowdown in iOS sales) that Apple has again begun to refocus it's efforts towards it's traditional hardware. The software now needs to keep up with the competition and more importantly 'modernise' MacOS, which let's face it is long overdue.
The iMac itself, whilst a classic design also needs a significant face lift, though how that will be achieved is yet to be revealed. Let's hope it is not just a case of making it even thinner.
You could make the same observation about Microsoft and Windows, even their esteemed leader said the priority is cloud and mobile. Windows is becoming less important to Microsoft just as macOS is becoming less important to Apple. Where that leaves us in the long term I don't know.
Let's hope that the new wind in Apple's sails regarding the macs is continuing into new products and it's OS......
I'm always up for a new iMac if the specs and the looks are to my liking
I'm always up for a new iMac if the specs and the looks are to my liking
I can't really fault my iMac as regards hardware - it's now 8 years young.Let's hope that the new wind in Apple's sails regarding the macs is continuing into new products and it's OS......
I'm always up for a new iMac if the specs and the looks are to my liking
However, I doubt I will purchase another. I'm more interested in the Mini now it has finally received a decent update. I think the Mini offers the user more flexibility and they are more easily sold on.
For me it's the other way round: I bought a Mini for work and can't wait until the iMac gets updated. That screen is just great!
The screen may be great but at some point you have to get rid of the iMac. Selling on an auction website can be difficult as not everyone wants or is able to travel to pick it up. Selling to some of these online sites is a lottery. They want them in top condition i.e. with no faults. Take my own case as an example. My iMac is in tip top condition with the exception the optical drive isn't working and hasn't done for years. Newer iMac don't even have them. However, because of that 'non-issue' the value I can get for it drops to pennies.
If you don't have family or friends that want it (I don't) then it's a trip to the recycling centre which seems a huge waste. For that reason alone I wouldn't purchase another. There is of course the issue of upgradability which if like me it's something you like to do then again the newer iMac's are pretty limiting.
No, for me the Mini is the better option. You can also buy some great monitors these days too.
After waiting so long for the iMac 'refresh' I was more and more tempted by the base iMac Pro with upgraded GPU. It includes everything I'm after, such as the 10GBe port and the 4 TB3 ports etc. Since my main application is FCPX, the Mini is a no-go as after I factor in a good screen and better graphics, Im back in iMac Pro territory anyways!
Only thing holding me back is the feeling of spending so much on tech that was introduced in 2017. I know the iMac is even older, but I feel even the iMac Pro is due an update, surely?
Alternatively, it could be replaced by the Mac Pro, which will be ridiculously expensive, but if so, I would expect the iMac to at least have the iMac Pro cooling system and similar components, even just for the 'high end' BTO model......
Only thing holding me back is the feeling of spending so much on tech that was introduced in 2017. I know the iMac is even older, but I feel even the iMac Pro is due an update, surely?
Alternatively, it could be replaced by the Mac Pro, which will be ridiculously expensive, but if so, I would expect the iMac to at least have the iMac Pro cooling system and similar components, even just for the 'high end' BTO model......
I was fine with your previous post but this one is little "forceful". I will just say one thing and leave the rest unanswered as otherwise we would be here forever.
Google photos may or may not be superior than Photos but I don't trust Google. They don't have a product as they cash in on people - unlike Apple who has different business model. So, I try to stay away from Google's product as much as I can so their app might be better than Apple's but overall Apple wins here because of their stance on privacy etc.
Of course it might change but Google can't change as they have their business model set up like that. Apple can survive with just iPhones alone and don't need to sell data etc.
I never had any problems selling on my older iMacs.....they are a hot item over here in Holland.
Mac Mini is a fine pc if you don't have heavy work to do but in my line of work it would probably burn to bits because of CPU and RAM usage a program like Logic or Protools would use.
I would prefer Apple to make the standard iMac be more like the iMac Pro with new cooling and screen and even the space grey option.
I'm also interested to find out more about the new Mac Pro.....if it is upgradable i'm game
Let's see what will happen in the coming months.
Mac Mini is a fine pc if you don't have heavy work to do but in my line of work it would probably burn to bits because of CPU and RAM usage a program like Logic or Protools would use.
I would prefer Apple to make the standard iMac be more like the iMac Pro with new cooling and screen and even the space grey option.
I'm also interested to find out more about the new Mac Pro.....if it is upgradable i'm game
Let's see what will happen in the coming months.
I had no problem selling my 2010 iMac 27” via eBay U.K. last summer. It attracted a very good resale price, too.
I didn’t require pickup by the buyer - I simply specified the courier charge in the listing, packed it up in original box and off it went.
As to the second point, there’s always the option of taking old Macs to an Apple store. In many cases, Apple say they’ll offer a trade-in discount off a new Mac.
Also: recycling is never a waste! That’s the whole point.
lots of rumors for new ipad's and airpods....nothing on the imac front. just another day
iMacs will likely come later, I would say around September - October time if they do indead redesign it. If it’s just a spec bump then a silent refresh on the webpage is also possible.
Eh, but that's just too long of a time frame of no updates. They already missed 2018. Normally, I'd agree with your assessment, but because of iMac's no show in 2018, I feel like they could change up the scheduling this year to be a bit earlier.
Ok how about this: spec bump, by WWDC. Full on redesign, fall time.
I don't see them spec bumping at WWDC only to introduce a redesigned model in the autumn. Based on what they've done with the Mac mini - if they intended to bring a redesigned model to the table, I think they'd just wait.
(I hope this isn't what they'll do! I would love to see a redesigned iMac at the likely March event.)
With everything Apple has planned for this year, new iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch, AirPods, Airpower Mat, HomePod and Mac Pro i doubt Apple will release a new design for the iMac.
It will be a spec bump with maybe a space grey option and then in 2020 they will do a redesigned iMac.
Keep in mind that they didn't update the Macbook and Macbook Pro 13" (non Touch Bar) models last year either so i'm guessing they will do this all at once around the rumored March event or at WWDC with a first view of the new Mac Pro.
It will be a spec bump with maybe a space grey option and then in 2020 they will do a redesigned iMac.
Keep in mind that they didn't update the Macbook and Macbook Pro 13" (non Touch Bar) models last year either so i'm guessing they will do this all at once around the rumored March event or at WWDC with a first view of the new Mac Pro.
If Apple waits until WWDC 2019 for a new iMac, that will be a solid two years, since the last iMac was released at WWDC 2017.
I'll point out that Apple has huge resources, being a trillion dollar company. They can handle releasing a bunch of new products in the same YEAR. It's not as if they're releasing everything on the same day after all.
Ohhh, no i meant, if it's a spec bump, it could be by WWDC. And if it's a redesign, they wouldn't do a spec bump by WWDC and the only 2019 release would be in the fall. So yea, I agree, I think they'd just wait.
I think you are wrong. Apple can't focus on too many things at the same time. Its virtually impossible. Even they said that the design team is super small. And history taught us that that is what Apple does. Few things at a time.
So Mac Pro and iMac redesign with maybe iMac Pro (doubtful) at WWDC. Being a huge company doesnt change that they can pop out products like there is no tomorrow. Its Apple we are talking about.
However, the must be a reason that the iMac is taking so long otherwise they would do simple bump spec update last year. Having 2 years and no updates mean that something is cooking. Mac Pro has been cooking for a while now so I think its fine but we will see. On top of Mac Pro, they have to do the display which is what they said it will come with it so thats another hurdle of them. Alternatively, this could play out too:
Mac Pro + display & iMac Pro at WWDC
typical iPhone etc. in september
iMac refresh in October/November with updated design (which will be the same as the iMac Pro as I don't see them designing 2 separate ones)