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App Library a hot mess....

Still waiting for your definition of "hot mess". Don't see the need for "drive by" negativity - it serves absolutely no purpose. Of course, you are free to not like it or to think it's a "hot mess" ... but would like to know why you think that... what is wrong with it, in your opinion?
 
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IOS 14 Drives me crazy for one reason. I've gotten accustomed to searching for an app as a fast way to launch it. Now search doesn't show apps, you have to go to the app library to search for apps. It's remarkably annoying.
wow that’s a problem i search them all the time in main screen swipe down is so natural to me

works as it has always worked, the initial statement is incorrect.
Yes. I have four locations in my weather app... would love to be able to scroll horizontally through them in the widget. Hopefully that will be in a future (soon!?!) update.
A work around perhaps, but you could just put all the weather locations you use in the stack, then scroll through then like that. Should work just as well.
 
Anyway, would be great to disable it, or just show the Search A-Z list instead of the auto folder lib. The auto folders are really a senseless sorted hot mess.


The alphabetised app view is great, and very Mac like really. The folders, well who cares. They’re not in the way, at all. There would have to be a screen for the appdraw anyway, and this is actually pretty useful if you happen across it and see the app you need. I normally have my most used apps on one screen and organised folders on another - whilst using spotlight often too. I can still have this, only now I can hide apps I don’t need often in the app draw. I don’t really see the problem.

i have no idea why it’s not implemented in some way on the iPad though. Annoying.
 
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The alphabetised app view is great, and very Mac like really. The folders, well who cares. They’re not in the way, at all. There would have to be a screen for the appdraw anyway, and this is actually pretty useful if you happen across it and see the app you need. I normally have my most used apps on one screen and organised folders on another - whilst using spotlight often too. I can still have this, only now I can hide apps I don’t need often in the app draw. I don’t really see the problem.

i have no idea why it’s not implemented in some way on the iPad though. Annoying.
The problem is, everybody sees “category sorting” differently. E.g. (for me) a banking app, paypal is not productivity, but finance. Apple Remote, Bitwarden, Ms Authenticator app i see as utility. Other people sees them in different categories, etc.. Which means most people will just avoid using it, because their category perception won’t fit to what Apple suggests and this will lead to many annoying time wasting look ups into these auto sorted folders.
 
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I've been sorting my apps since I got my first iPhone (4s) so the app library doesn't interest me in the least. That being said, I can see how it would be useful for less technologically-savvy iPhone users - my parents, for example.
I like the app library for the sole purpose of hiding apps I need but don’t need to open. For example, adgaurd runs in the background but I never need to open it. Same with settings, app store, etc.
 
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The problem is, everybody sees “category sorting” differently. E.g. (for me) a banking app, paypal is not productivity, but finance. Apple Remote, Bitwarden, Ms Authenticator app i see as utility. Other people sees them in different categories, etc.. Which means most people will just avoid using it, because their category perception won’t fit to what Apple suggests and this will lead to many annoying time wasting look ups into these auto sorted folders.

Since the categories are provided by the developer when the app is submitted to the App Store, the only one to whom you can complain is the app developer. Lobby them to change the category. If they do, they risk making the guy next to you unhappy.

Also, finding an app with an initial letter of W, X, Y, Z will take significantly longer to scroll to in an alphabetized list that it would take to just pull down on the screen and start typing the app name.

Bottom line: if you don't like the categories that the apps are put in, then create your own folders with titles/categories as you see fit and ignore the App Library. Apple has not CHANGED the way you use your home screen, they have given you an ADDITIONAL way of using your home screen.
 
IOS 14 Drives me crazy for one reason. I've gotten accustomed to searching for an app as a fast way to launch it. Now search doesn't show apps, you have to go to the app library to search for apps. It's remarkably annoying.
Yeah, the search is much more comprehensive but when you’re looking for an app, that’s not very helpful.

100% untrue. I also launch many of my apps through search. Works as expected in both dev beta 1 and 2.
 

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Seems like everyone is excited for widgets and the app library and I am just not that thrilled......

Widgets - I get the appeal of them, but the issue I have is spacing, the small widget doesn’t give enough info and the big widgets take up to 8 apps spots... While it is nice to have glanceable information, I’m not sure its that big of a improvement from just the ordinary today view which is an all widget page. I saw some interesting ideas with smart widget at the top and then 2x Siri suggestions widget below that, would make a always changing home screen with intelligence. I was like wow that will be awesome, but when I tried it same thing happened just like Siri Watch Face. In the end I am searching for where things are when the “intelligence” doesn’t display the app I want to use at the time.

App Library - I hate this idea, the reason is because I have already organized my apps I know where they are and muscle memory I could almost go to apps with my eyes closed. To have apple then basically do another way to organize and search for them without you being able to customize it, to me seems like a step backwards.

iOS 14 - Some people are saying this is for power users, but I almost feel like its for the non-power user that doesn’t organize anything on their homescreens and they are just a mess. This will auto-cleanup and organize that space, but for Power Users I am really not sure this is for them.

Summary - Now I know I don’t have to use these things, and right now I am probably not going to, but it just sucks when most of the big features are kinda of letdown, and I know they can’t please everyone, and this gives options which is great, but I would have rather see them do a total re-design to iOS home screen instead of just adding some android features like grabbing widgets, and an modified app drawer.

AddOn - I will say though, I am not just crapping all over iOS 14. The animations are really well done and buttery, for a first beta it is extremely smooth and not a ton of bugs which is impressive.

I'm just not sold on widgets and the app library.

I mean you don’t have to add those features. They’re extras, on iOS 13 you wouldn’t even have that option. But hey, I like ios 14.
 
IOS 14 Drives me crazy for one reason. I've gotten accustomed to searching for an app as a fast way to launch it. Now search doesn't show apps, you have to go to the app library to search for apps. It's remarkably annoying.

100% untrue. I also launch many of my apps through search. Works as expected in both dev beta 1 and 2.

Indeed, search from the home screen works EXACTLY as is has in iO
 
100% untrue. I also launch many of my apps through search. Works as expected in both dev beta 1 and 2.

Hmmm...obviously if I posted that I was having issues it’s not 100% untrue. Happy for you though.

Why do people need to use hyperbole here so much? Why isn’t it enough to say “it’s working for me” and leave it at that, instead of essentially calling people liars?
 
Yeah, the search is much more comprehensive but when you’re looking for an app, that’s not very helpful.
Hmmm...obviously if I posted that I was having issues it’s not 100% untrue. Happy for you though.

Why do people need to use hyperbole here so much? Why isn’t it enough to say “it’s working for me” and leave it at that, instead of essentially calling people liars?

Because the claims were that the behavior had changed, which is not true. While it might be true that someone is experiencing a bug, the two posts I saw pretty clearly claimed the functionality had changed.

Are you saying when you type into the spotlight search bar, your matching apps don't show up?
 
I like the app library for the sole purpose of hiding apps I need but don’t need to open. For example, adgaurd runs in the background but I never need to open it. Same with settings, app store, etc.
Yep, that’s the only decent usage for it so far, as app waste repository. My prophecy: The App Library will vanish away, because of no user acceptance, else it gets a major overhaul, and the iPad will never see it. Anyway, at its current state it makes no sense.
 
For me the folder architecture in app library would be perfekt for normal folders:
-more than 9 per site
-alphabetically sorted
-three prominent apps I could choose
-own categories

That would led to my perfect system of organizing my 155 apps.
 
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Because the claims were that the behavior had changed, which is not true. While it might be true that someone is experiencing a bug, the two posts I saw pretty clearly claimed the functionality had changed.

Are you saying when you type into the spotlight search bar, your matching apps don't show up?

My point is: it may be true for you; it was not true for me. Therefore, your over the top statement that what I said was “100% untrue” was not, in fact, accurate. I don’t care what the reason was, when I did the search the app the name of which I started typing in did not appear in the search.

I am using your post to make a general statement in here: stop assuming that your experience is everyone else’s experience. Clearly, that is not the case. It would be a pretty dull place here if everyone’s experience was homogenous.
 
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My point is: it may be true for you; it was not true for me. Therefore, your over the top statement that what I said was “100% untrue” was not, in fact, accurate. I don’t care what the reason was, when I did the search the app the name of which I started typing in did not appear in the search.

I am using your post to make a general statement in here: stop assuming that your experience is everyone else’s experience. Clearly, that is not the case. It would be a pretty dull place here if everyone’s experience was homogenous.

I agree entirely. Which is why when I experience problems/bugs/etc, especially for functionality I know is/should be there, I usually word it as "for me, this thing doesn't work" rather than "it doesn't do this anymore". As an example, I posted on someone else's thread some days back who was/is having issues with Exchange/Office365 mail accounts with his Mail app. He didn't come out and say "Mail doesn't do Exchange/Office365 anymore", which is how things read here. Instead, he mentioned he was having problems with those types of accounts. When I responded, I empathized with it not working for him and mused that it could be a server side issue as the two Ex/O365 accounts I have configured in my Mail app are both working fine.

When someone says something that can be read as "this feature is gone" when it's not, responses of "that's not true" should be expected.
 
You could put all those apps onto one homescreen and then hide that screen.

I understand that but I really don’t even have the need for that. IOS 14 I discovered also lets you do the same with individual apps. You go through the motion of deleting the app but choose “Remove From Home Screen” Its easier for me just to select the individual apps I want rather than moving them all then hiding the screen. Other examples, apps on my control center like camera, calculator, voice recorder, etc. I have no reason for the redundancy of an icon. IOS 14 is a welcome change for me.
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Yep, that’s the only decent usage for it so far, as app waste repository. My prophecy: The App Library will vanish away, because of no user acceptance, else it gets a major overhaul, and the iPad will never see it. Anyway, at its current state it makes no sense.

Isn't that its designed purpose though? Much like Windows start menu. Bring your useful icons front and center and hide the other apps that are necessary but don’t need to be in your face all the time. Although I will say that the initial view of the app library is basically useless to me. I wish it would just default the alphabetical list as shown below.

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I understand that but I really don’t even have the need for that. IOS 14 I discovered also lets you do the same with individual apps. You go through the motion of deleting the app but choose “Remove From Home Screen” Its easier for me just to select the individual apps I want rather than moving them all then hiding the screen. Other examples, apps on my control center like camera, calculator, voice recorder, etc. I have no reason for the redundancy of an icon. IOS 14 is a welcome change for me.
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Isn't that its designed purpose though? Much like Windows start menu. Bring your useful icons front and center and hide the other apps that are necessary but don’t need to be in your face all the time. Although I will say that the initial view of the app library is basically useless to me. I wish it would just default the alphabetical list as shown below.

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Agreed
 
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I wonder how many non-forum/non technical people will have real issues when 14 gets installed on their screens and they can't understand/find things or can't make their phones look as they are used to and like.
Unlike normal I hope Apple puts out some training materials for this release
 
I wonder how many non-forum/non technical people will have real issues when 14 gets installed on their screens and they can't understand/find things or can't make their phones look as they are used to and like.
Unlike normal I hope Apple puts out some training materials for this release

with every new version of ios, people adapt. some learn new things, and (probably) most just continue to use their phones as they did on the previous os. if you're on ios 13 and you move to 14, by default, it all looks the same. app library is pretty self-explanatory, and ppl will investigate new things... if they choose to.
 
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