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spriter

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From my experience, controlled pre-orders or flash sales are far better than unknown or vague/long time frames.:

1. Pre-orders are usually fine but my 5s experience was terrible. This was in the UK when vague order dates were given and continuously slipped.

I also queued outside my local Appke store for a week following launch (from around 5am) only to always be disappointed. When I was at the front of the queue no stock arrived; when they had stock the scalpers bought them all and sold them on in Dubai.

Other resellers had stock but refused to sell off-contract. In the end, I got 'lucky' by buying a SIM locked 5s for a tad more than Apple's price before jumping through hoops to get it unlocked. It took a week and 15GBP. Never again will I sell my phone in advance!

Combined it was the worst product launch I can recall for a while.

2. Buying a sought after device in China. Yes, believe it or not, my Huawei Mediapad X1 was difficult to acquire. But fair. Basically Huawei announced it then produced limited batches to launch. Each time there was a flash sale (usually promoted on their and other websites).

Procedure was: register account, wait for advertised time and date, place an order (max one per customer account), wait 30 minutes to get confirmation, then pay, then receive phone 3 days later. Advantage with this way was that it was open to everyone and once the order limit had reached, the buy button on the website was removed. If I hadn't been successful at least I would have known within half an hour. It's still open to scalpers but is straight-forward and clear.

As for OPO and the smash your phone deception. I'm with others who think this is a change of plan after the backlash from their original idea. Imagine if they'd gone with the donate idea from the start - it would have generated much positive publicity instead of the firestorm their marketing people concocted.
 

bmac4

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OnePlus One





Typical argument used around here. But totally false.



The truth about the pre order and waiting in line system is that you are in control of whether or not you get a phone. If you have the will power to get up at 2 or 3 AM (depending on your time zone) and keep refreshing the website until you get in and are able to place an order, then go right ahead. If you have the will power to get in line 12 hours or more before they go on sale, go right ahead. In each scenario, the individual takes responsibility and takes control of whether or not they get a phone. If they want one bad enough, they can make it happen. I myself have stood in line for over 12 hours for an iPhone. I have woken up early and refreshed my page hundreds if not thousands of times for an iPhone pre order. But you know what else? I have also woken up early and refreshed my page constantly to get an order in for my Nexus 4 before everyone else. I did the same thing for the Nexus 5. In all 4 scenarios, I was in control of whether or not I got a phone. If I wanted it bad enough, I could make it happen by simply being somewhere earlier than others or getting on a website earlier than others.



This phone is different. The individual has no control. An invite system, at first at least, is pure luck. How much you desire to order a phone plays no part. There could be some guy who kinda sorta maybe wants the phone, and he gets an invite all the while you could be dying on the inside for a phone willing to stand in a line for over a day, but you don't get an invite. The individual has no say in the matter, and I think that is what is most upsetting.



I would also like to point out in my past example that having to get up early and constantly refreshing the page happened with both the iPhone and Nexus phone. So your argument falls flat.

How does my argument fall flat? I understand in most cases that you get the phone with the pre order system. The key is most of the time. Since you brought up the N4 and N5 let's look at those releases. There were tons of people that were mad at Google because they tried to order early, and the phone was already sold out. They were clicking order the second it went on sale. The N5 fix some of those issues, but still caused some problems.

I am not saying Apple system is bad. I like it better than standing in line on release day, and just hoping. What I am saying is each system has it's problems, and Apple's does too. I believe when the iPhone 5 was released people were having issues with it being sold out not but a few minutes later. Or like me they preordered it, and it took a month to finally receive it. Again yes I got a phone, but it sure does not make for the best pre order system. Look at video game releases. They make enough copies of the video game for the amount of pre orders. If you pre order you get one when it comes out. Apple it could be weeks, and people that have nothing else better to do at 3am in the morning at an Apple store get a phone before you do.

Again I am not saying one is better than the other. Just that neither is perfect, and the One Plus One may seem bad at first, but it might work out better in the end. More people might get phones sooner than Apple, or Google could deliver. Give it chance. Getting mad, and hating on the system just because you might now get the first batch of phones is crazy.
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
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How does my argument fall flat?

It's quite simple. Maybe you didn't read?

This is what you said:
But because it's Apple people don't get nearly as mad.

I showed examples that it happens with both, not just Apple:
I would also like to point out in my past example that having to get up early and constantly refreshing the page happened with both the iPhone and Nexus phone. So your argument falls flat.

You say Apple is the only company people don't get mad at for their order system. First off, some people do get mad at them, you just spend so much time in the Android section you don't see it. Second, with the Nexus 5 order system and how they were back ordered for weeks, people didn't get mad. You say they did, but for the most part thats just not true. The Nexus 5 order system was probably the calmest I've seen despite the large back order.

The breakdown of how your argument falls flat is quite simple. You said Apple is the only company people don't get mad at for their order system, I proved you wrong. Hopefully that made it more simple.
 

bmac4

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It's quite simple. Maybe you didn't read?



This is what you said:





I showed examples that it happens with both, not just Apple:





You say Apple is the only company people don't get mad at for their order system. First off, some people do get mad at them, you just spend so much time in the Android section you don't see it. Second, with the Nexus 5 order system and how they were back ordered for weeks, people didn't get mad. You say they did, but for the most part thats just not true. The Nexus 5 order system was probably the calmest I've seen despite the large back order.



The breakdown of how your argument falls flat is quite simple. You said Apple is the only company people don't get mad at for their order system, I proved you wrong. Hopefully that made it more simple.


Well I guess you can't read. You took a statement I made, and use it for an entire argument. How about you take some time, and do some reading. Also how do you know what section I spend my time on here? I have an iPhone 5s, so most of my time is spent on the iPhone section. Also I spent a lot of time on the AT&T iPhone 5 pre order thread back in 2012, and yes me and others spent a lot of the time complaining about Apple's pre ordering system.

If you took time and read my last post you would know most of this, and you would know that I said each system has there issues. My comment you can't seem to move past was referring to the majority of the Apple fans that refused to see anything Apple does as wrong. I know there were plenty of people mad about pre orders as I stated before. Thanks, but this is no longer worth my time.
 

appledes7

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Jul 12, 2011
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You took a statement I made, and use it for an entire argument.
Anytime someone is trying to lay out an argument for or against something, they typically have what is called a thesis statement that simply states their argument. So having a sentence to state your main argument is common in writing. You can go research it.

My comment you can't seem to move past was referring to the majority of the Apple fans that refused to see anything Apple does as wrong.
Funny how now you are changing your argument to "majority" when it wasn't that before. Either you are changing your argument in the middle because you realize it isn't going well for you, or you simply failed to specify at the beginning.

But really this is something you just don't seem to understand. Apple isn't some company seen as invincible. Your clear Android bias makes you believe Apple doesn't get enough criticism so you think they get away with more, and your argument was based on their ordering system. Guess what, everyone else does it the same way. Tons and tons of companies do pre orders and back orders without people whining and complaining (Maybe you are unaware...?). You said it was just Apple that people don't get nearly as mad at. But that is just simply false.
 

Tankmaze

macrumors 68000
Mar 7, 2012
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The price and spec definitely a winner, but with these new company after sales is my concern. Don't know if its easy enough to repair or swap when the device get broken.
 

Chris092881

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Dec 26, 2012
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I wish it were available on VZW. I'd definitely check it out. I'm due for an upgrade in 2 months. But I'm holding out for the iPhone 6 either way.
 

August West

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Aug 23, 2009
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Yea! Another enormous brick to lug around.

Make it somewhere between the current 5s and the rumored 6 4.7" and it would be an interesting devise but at that size it just becomes another way-too-big smartphone and of no interest to me.
 

zipa

macrumors 65816
Feb 19, 2010
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The Oppo Find 7 is probably a better buy, if Chinese high end droids tickle your fancy?

I'll stick with iPhones, I'm not a fanboy but iOS seems so much better than whatever is on this phone :p

You're not a fanboy, but still managed to reach that conclusion based on a rendered picture?
 

AppleRobert

macrumors 603
Nov 12, 2012
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I try to keep secondary or third devices along the price line I paid for the Nokia 521 or Moto G.

While the specs and price is attractive for this, I would get more mileage out of a secondary or third watch or sneakers than this and they would not cost as much.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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interesting......when I try to "buy" the 64GB OPO...it get an "out of stock" error when I click on the "buy" icon. When I try to buy the 16GB version I get a "You do not have the required invite to buy this product"
 
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