definitely going to hold off buying license til people officially get it licensed. 100 dollars would suck to lose and not be able to run windows.
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Parallels and Windows 10 for ARM
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Microsoft has long advertised the Surface as the best of both worlds (laptop and tablet). It is a reference design for other OEMs. Most people I see using a Surface use it as a laptop with the keyboard. It would be awkward if the cheapest MacBook Air runs Windows better than the Surface Pro X.
Hi @gank41, I've read that you run "lot" of x86 (don't know if x64) apps. I'm in the market for a long time ago to buy a machine but still need to know if some apps run quite well in M1 (well, WoA), if not I'll wait or pull the trigger for a Intel 16".
The apps or programs are:
Please, can you try in a VM if that programs run at least in their free trial versions?
Really thank you!!
The apps or programs are:
- Robotstudio: A program that allows you to simulate and code ABB robots.
- FactoryIO: A program for simulate some basic industrial processes.
Please, can you try in a VM if that programs run at least in their free trial versions?
Really thank you!!
Thanks for asking, but I have no idea what those apps are, and I’ve got my Win11 build running great now for things I use for work. I have tried a handful of apps, yes, but just a few Music/Studio apps and Citrix, along with a proprietary app I use for work.
There is a report on The Verge that Microsoft is cutting non-compliant PCs from the Windows 11 Insider program. Has anyone who signed up for Windows 11 via Parallels gotten such a notice?
I checked Windows Update and got a message saying Windows Insider needs me to reboot, and now it’s showing I’m not a part of the Windows Insider Program anymore. Says my PC doesn’t qualify.
I was afraid of that. Doesn’t bode well for using Parallels with upcoming Windows 11 release.
ive read this on parallels forum that people have been kicked and no longer eligible. will Microsoft really try and kick off W11 off m1's ? hopefully not. good thing I havnt bought parallels 17 yet.
They've already announced that if your PC isn't eligible then you can update from a Windows 11 .iso but you won't get updates. So essentially it is completely unsupported. If a Windows 11 .iso is available for Windows on Arm 11 then I'd imagine it would work the same way.
The "best of both worlds" slogan certainly does not refer to peak performance, as the thermal properties always will dictate performance. In the particular case, the Surface Pro X is a 7W TDP device, while other Surface devices like the Surface Pro 7 have a TDP of 15W and hence are faster, while other OEMs say 45W TDP laptops are beating any Surface tablet. Still - if you are running Office on any of these device, you would not feel any difference.
I deleted parallels and I have 180gb of missing space from my SSD. I wiped the computer and factory reset it, its not being returned. good thing I just bought this iMac, going to take it to apple and have them try and recover my missing partition. I dont know if my Mac OS simply cant see that data if it was formatted for windows 10, but if they cant hopefully I can get a replacement, not messing with parallels again. just going to buy a gaming laptop for a grand lol
Check in ~/Library/Containers for a Parallels folder. I don't use Parallels but I've found much of my missing space can be found in ~/Library/Containers. You might also check out About This Mac...->Storage tab then Manage. The Review Files->Large Files tab.
I got that same message in Parallels on my M1. So far it hasn’t made me reinstall W10 yet but it doesn’t bode well. At least Crossover appears to be working again on the latest Monterey beta.
Since Windows on ARM is distributed only with Windows on ARM devices it is doubtful they will keep posting .iso files for anyone to download.
Personally I run Windows 10 pro on Parallels with no issues and it should be good till 2025, so I see no interest in running a Windows 11 VM at the moment. I am confident that as some point they'll find a solution for Win11, but I don't think it's the right time to use that instead of Win10 on M1.
Except are there any Windows on ARM devices that won’t run Windows 11? If not, then how much longer will Windows 10 on ARM be supported?
That's the situation I'm in too, but I can't remember what happens when you fall out of "governance" so to speak? I seem to remember as part of the Insider program you have to keep the machine updated with the latest build or it deactivates the license - I can't remember what that stops you doing though.
There's gotta be "a plan" for these rather large companies, Parallels & VMWare, to continue on in some way that makes everyone the most money. When Apple demo'ed virtualization of Linux and there was no mention of Microsoft, people worried.. Then Apple said Windows on M1 is up to Microsoft and not Apple, people worried.. But then there's been plenty of Joe Shmoe's like myself who can get WoA running some rather old apps and get some great performance. I was more surprised that Win11 was so stable at initial release than anything. But again, that's just me. And then there's been some much smarter people than I getting Linux to run natively on their M1 Mac. Would people really be THAT surprised if they later found out Microsoft has been testing WoA on M1 Macs the entire time secretly in their labs? I'm still holding out hope that at some point in the not so distant future (next Sunday AD.. jk), There will at least be a less official way to run WoA in Parallels and continue to get updates. We'll have to wait until after Win11 is released on Oct 5, and I still believe that Parallels & VMWare are interpreting Microsoft's Licensing jargon differently. VMWare being so adamant about 'it not working legally' and then just not making it happen. While Parallels is all 'Look how great it runs! No problems!', and still charges for a subscription and makes zero mention of their app not working with Windows at all.. I mean, if it ends up NOT working "Legally" with Windows in the Future, like when you can't buy Windows 10 Licenses anymore and IF Microsoft firmly enforces their hardware requirements to restrict installs in a VM on a Mac, after however long of them still continuing to charge for a subscription to do that very same thing? I don't see Parallels staying in Business much longer considering the plan is to move all in on M1 and ditch Intel. Eventually, VMWare will be in the same boat, although their Server business would keep them going (like it probably is now).
What's great about VM's is that you can make backups of them and just return to them later. I just went back to my "old" VM of Win10 ARM from before I upgraded to Win11 and besides the UI Differences, all of my apps are still continuing to run as expected. I actually prefer the Start Menu UI in Win10 more than Win11 anyway. It's a shame Apple still includes the BootCamp app on their M1 Macs. What a tease LoL
What's great about VM's is that you can make backups of them and just return to them later. I just went back to my "old" VM of Win10 ARM from before I upgraded to Win11 and besides the UI Differences, all of my apps are still continuing to run as expected. I actually prefer the Start Menu UI in Win10 more than Win11 anyway. It's a shame Apple still includes the BootCamp app on their M1 Macs. What a tease LoL
Parallels has always seemed to be a little bit shady to me compared to VMWare. But since Corel acquired them, I assumed that they would become more corporate. Now I’m not so sure. If Microsoft denies allowing Apple silicon Macs a legal license to Windows on Arm, Parallels is going to have a legal mess on their hands.
Exactly! Corel's been around for like 30+ years. I'm sure their legal team is well aware of this. They'd have to refund a lot of people if they were forced to not allow WoA to work at all. It's a pretty big liability.. That's why I'm convinced that Parallels & VMWare are just interpreting Microsoft's Licensing wording differently. Hard to say if either company has any insider info on any of Microsoft's future plans. That could go either way, good or bad, in our favor.
It was pretty clear to me with VMWare’s last Apple silicon update that they had had no real communication with Microsoft on the issue. That was months ago though. April 27th to be exact.
I still think it's weird that VMware is saying "Apple silicon Macs don’t support Boot Camp", when the headline in the article they themselves included in their own blog actually says "Native Windows on M1 Macs is 'Really up to Microsoft', and Craig says, "We have the core technologies for them to do that, to run their ARM version of Windows, which in turn of course supports x86 user mode applications. But that's a decision Microsoft has to make, to bring to license that technology for users to run on these Macs. But the Macs are certainly very capable of it." Not that "Apple silicon Macs don't support BootCamp".. Meaning, it's all up to Microsoft, and I'd assume they also want to make money. Adjusting some archaic legalese wording of their licensing seems doable on their part.