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Gnattu

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So this is interesting. Up to this point, everyone's been saying the barrier to virtualizing ARM-Windows on Apple Silicon is Microsoft, since they weren't willing to sell individual copies of ARM-Windows (OEM only).

But now it turns out they're willing to give away ARM-Windows (at least a beta version) for free to anyone who creates a Microsoft account and registers for the Windows Insider program.

So what's going on? Is this a change in MS's thinking? Or did those who insisted MS wouldn't release individual copies of ARM-Windows not understand MS's game plan?
The insider version is an evaluation copy and is not "activated", and it is not stable enough to be used for production.
Microsoft has never changed their mind.
 
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stevey500

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So this is interesting. Up to this point, everyone's been saying the barrier to virtualizing ARM-Windows on Apple Silicon is Microsoft, since they weren't willing to sell individual copies of ARM-Windows (OEM only).

But now it turns out they're willing to give away ARM-Windows (at least a beta version) for free to anyone who creates a Microsoft account and registers for the Windows Insider program.

So what's going on? Is this a change in MS's thinking? Or did those who insisted MS wouldn't release individual copies of ARM-Windows not understand MS's game plan?
Microsoft has always given away stable (if you want to call it that) official releases by installing and not entering a CD key. lol.
 

KPOM

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The insider version is an evaluation copy and is not "activated", and it is not stable enough to be used for production.
Microsoft has never changed their mind.
If they detect a bunch of people running Windows on Parallels Arm, someone in Redmond might take the hint that there would be demand for it.
 

KPOM

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Could you point me to that thread? All I see is try reinstalling Parallel Tools - but that is not working either.

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Ok, reinstall the tools but click on Postpone instead of restarting...
Uninstall Parallels Tools (and click on the box to remove the associated driver) from within Device Manager>System Tools before restarting.
 
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theorist9

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The insider version is an evaluation copy and is not "activated", and it is not stable enough to be used for production.
Microsoft has never changed their mind.
Of course we all know it's not a production version. The question I rasised (which your reply to my post, quoted here, doesn't address) is whether the release of a preview version to individual customers is an indicator that MS intends to release a retail version--and whether doing so would represent a change in their plans, or whether it's been something they've been planning all along.
 
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hunkster

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So, I haven't gotten Parallels 16 yet. The tech preview for Parallels M1 Mac is also version 16. So if I buy Parallels 16 now will I be getting the M1 Mac supported version when it's released? Or will it be a new purchase?
 

Hastings101

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This is impressive, able to play old Skyrim and Civilization IV with pretty nice performance. Some graphical glitchiness and the mouse is... odd sometimes, but I can't decide if that's due to the ARM emulation of x86 apps in Windows or a Parallels issue.

Curious how x86-64 apps will perform, can't figure out how to get them working though/enable the update.
 

Gnattu

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whether the release of a preview version to individual customers is an indicator that MS intends to release a retail version
They provided this before Apple Silicon Mac's launch, and it is not intended for Apple Silicon users, it's for ARM powered Windows device owners.
 
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nobackup

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Of course we all know it's not a production version. The question I rasised (which your reply to my post, quoted here, doesn't address) is whether the release of a preview version to individual customers is an indicator that MS intends to release a retail version--and whether doing so would represent a change in their plans, or whether it's been something they've been planning all along.
So let’s hope the following sweet deal happens.

Microsoft does not want to sell individual arm windows to the public. Only to OEMs. (Equipment makers)

parrallels wants to sell lots of VM software (as does VMware) to the growing M1 community.


So Microsoft allows both parallels and vmware. To sell it as a bundle.

Apple has no interest in selling Microsoft Windows (or do they via the App Store ?)


so let’s see Apple is a physical seller of equipment (OEM). And both Parallels and Vmware provide Virtual Hardware

Seems to me that Microsoft has at least two routes to make this available to a Rapidly growing community that will replace Intel in at least this particular case

win win for everyone.

well only looser is Microsoft and its own product SurfaceX (??). But then again Microsoft proclaims all the time that its surface devices should be seen as a technology show case that others can follow.

One wonders if Microsoft will really take up the baton in this “Software every where” challenge that they have created for them selfs (under thier new management)

in any case the growing dominance of the M(x) chips powering future Apple devices is so large that Microsoft will not just ignore. Let’s hope they move fast and don’t forget what happened with IE !!
 

Acidsplat

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Parallels took the time to develop drivers for Windows 10 on ARM for Parallels Desktop, despite the only way to acquire Windows 10 on ARM is through the Insider Program.

Does anyone think Microsoft will work out a deal for buying a virtualized copy linked to a VMware and Parallels account, or does Parallels see Windows 10 on ARM as just for developers using a Mac?
 

digitalbreak

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Uninstall Parallels Tools (and click on the box to remove the associated driver) from within Device Manager>System Tools before restarting.
You are a genius! It worked! I have Windows 10 running successfully in Parallels and just installed Chrome in the Windows VM!

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digitalbreak

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Just connected the VM to my workplace domain account and everything is working great - workplace VPN and other apps!
 

Gerdi

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Here is the funny fact: these apps are 32bit arm apps.
Another fact: Apple M1 is an arm64 exclusive processor(no 32-bit compatibility mode)

The result: the apps you mentioned cannot run without something like Rosetta.

As is the Store App - in case anyone is wondering why the store is not working...
 

kinezo

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Xubuntu Linux was pretty easy. (Any Ubuntu desktop really. I just like Xubuntu).

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Steps:

1) Don't use the wizard when you first launch parallels. It doesn't recognize the iso.
2) Continue without iso and create vm manually.
3) Download ubuntu-server arm64
4) Connect iso as CD/DVD drive
5) Boot. Install ubuntu server as usual.
6) When done. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to update.
7) apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (or your desktop of choice)
8) ???
9) profit?
 
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DeanL

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If they detect a bunch of people running Windows on Parallels Arm, someone in Redmond might take the hint that there would be demand for it.
Pretty sure that Microsoft is on it. Parallels wouldn't waste time writing drivers for a version of Windows that might never officially be available for purchase, yet they made Parallels Tools work on Windows ARM.
 
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badsimian

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I am not having to uninstall/reinstall tools or anything. Skyrim runs at playable frame rates too.

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