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[tsialex]

Great, thank you!

Just to you know how easy 970 Pro overheats, I just moved my 970 Pro, my main boot drive, to a non heatsink adapter to do some tests and 5 minutes after the boot, DriveDX warned me that the sensor 2 of my 970 Pro, was at 74ºC.

 

[gory]

Wow. Sounds like it would be worth be worth paying extra for a better adaptor! Would you recommend a better option than the 970 Pro with less overheating issues? Or should it be ok to use with the right adaptor with a good heatsink?

 

[tsialex]

Wow. Sounds like it would be worth be worth paying extra for a better adaptor! Would you recommend a better option than the 970 Pro with less overheating issues? Or should it be ok to use with the right adaptor with a good heatsink?

Every high performance M2 blade overheats and starts to throttle without a heatsink. I moved my 970 Pro to one of my Angelbird Wings PX1, now it's at 41ºC:

People that says his/her blade never overheats or throttle, say this because never ever monitored the temps or live in a freezer.

 

[disembodied cat head]

If I want to do a FRESH install onto the 970 in a highpoint in my mac pro 2010 (which was hardware upgraded to a 12 core.) The existing boot rom is MP51.007F.B03. will the 141 boot rom update work with what I am attempting to do and which is the easiest way to perform that boot rom upgrade?
Thanks

It will work nicely.

I used a SM951-AHCI installed into a Angelbird Wings PX1 for more than six months into Slot-3. It will be limited to 1500MB/s, but you already now this.

 

[tsialex]

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[tsialex]

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[deathtogoogle]

Apple started to support NVMe native boot with firmware 140.0.0.0.0, you will need to upgrade your Mac Pro BootROM to it. I already explained what is needed to do, read my previous posts and please do your homework.

macOS Sierra don't support consumer NVMe drives, only Apple OEM and some very rare/expensive 4KB/sector made by Intel and Toshiba.

Samsung 970 EVO is a 512B/sector, like 98% of the M.2 NVMe blades on consumer market, and don't work with Sierra. If you need Sierra, you will have to change your M.2 to a model that is supported.

So I will have to go with High Sierra then in order to use the highpoint 7101 with the 970 evo?

 

[tsialex]

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[deathtogoogle]

If I want to do a FRESH install onto the 970 in a highpoint in my mac pro 2010 (which was hardware upgraded to a 12 core.) The existing boot rom is MP51.007F.B03.

will the 141 boot rom update work with what I am attempting to do and which is the easiest way to perform that boot rom upgrade?

Thank

Thank you for your response. From what I read I cannot upgrade to Mojave because of my Titan XP card needed for 3d content creation. Will High Sierra work with the High Point 7101 and 970 evo?
Thanks
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High Sierra and firmware 140.0.0.0.0.

Thank you very much

 

[tsialex]

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[deathtogoogle]

Apple started to support NVMe native boot with firmware 140.0.0.0.0, you will need to upgrade your Mac Pro BootROM to it. I already explained what is needed to do, read my previous posts and please do your homework.

macOS Sierra don't support consumer NVMe drives, only Apple OEM and some very rare/expensive 4KB/sector made by Intel and Toshiba.

Samsung 970 EVO is a 512B/sector, like 98% of the M.2 NVMe blades on consumer market, and don't work with Sierra. If you need Sierra, you will have to change your M.2 to a model that is supported.

Hi Again,
I was Successful in getting the BootRom updated to MP51.0084.B00 with the High Sierra download.
But when I try to load High Sierra onto a freshly purchased HighPoint 7101a with the Samsung 970 evo, the installer doesn't see that 970 drive. I am assuming it is because the Boot Rom requires the 140 rom. But if I try to load that from the Mojave download it says to install High Sierra.
I do NOT want Mojave because my titan xp doesn't work with it because of Apple's "overlooking" their professional users, and I read that my Mac Pro 2010 5,1 cannot load operating systems from USB drives? So I am stuck on how to load this HIGH SIERRA (fresh install) onto my 970 evo (also fresh)

 

[bsbeamer]

Hi Again,
I was Successful in getting the BootRom updated to MP51.0084.B00 with the High Sierra download.
But when I try to load High Sierra onto a freshly purchased HighPoint 7101a with the Samsung 970 evo, the installer doesn't see that 970 drive. I am assuming it is because the Boot Rom requires the 140 rom. But if I try to load that from the Mojave download it says to install High Sierra.
I do NOT want Mojave because my titan xp doesn't work with it because of Apple's "overlooking" their professional users, and I read that my Mac Pro 2010 5,1 cannot load operating systems from USB drives? So I am stuck on how to load this HIGH SIERRA (fresh install) onto my 970 evo (also fresh)

MP51.0084.B00 first needs to be updated to MP51.0089.B00. Then you can install the 140.0.0.0.0 firmware WITHOUT installing Mojave. Then you can transfer your boot to HighPoint NVMe, simply install in an PCIe slot and use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your system boot drive to the NVMe. Then shut your system down and remove original boot drive (if desired).

from the first post in this thread for getting to MP51.0089.B00:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

If you have a earlier than MP51.0089.B00 BootROM version, these are the steps to upgrade your BootROM to have Mojave support:

1. Disconnect any 4K or DP1.2 display. You can't update to MP51.0089.B00 with a 4K/DP1.2 screen connected to your Mac EFI card. It's a old bug that Apple corrected with MP6,1 and "forgot" to correct with the MP5,1. MP5,1 efiflasher don't support 4K screens or DP1.2, you can reconnect after you update your BootROM.
2. Disable FileVault2 if enabled, since FV2 is not supported anymore with a Mac Pro 5,1 running Mojave.
   
3. Install a Mac EFI64 card. Any original Apple card from 2008 to 2012 (HD 2600XT, 8800GT, Quadro FX 5600, GT120, HD 4870/5770/5870) or 3rd party Mac EFI cards like Sapphire HD 7950 Mac Edition, eVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, NVIDIA Quadro 4000/K5000 or self-flashed/MVC flashed cards.
4. If you use a SATA III PCIe card, remove your drive from the card and install into the Mac Pro SATA II ports, a lot of people reports trouble doing the firmware upgrade with SATA III cards.
5. Download the full Mac App Store Installer for 10.13.6 (even if you already are on 10.13.6)
   
6. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
7. After the firmware upgrade, 10.13.6 installer will open again, you can close it.
8. Now check if your Mac Pro BootROM is MP51.0089.B00, if yes you can shutdown and install your Metal capable GPU (any AMD equal or newer than HD 7xxx, NVIDIA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Quadro K5000 and other NVIDIA Kepler cards). [If you have a NVIDIA card that need the web driver, Maxwell and Pascal ones, wait for NVIDIA release it for Mojave]
9. Download the full Mac App Store installer for Mojave.
10. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
11. After the reboot, open System Information and check if you have BootROM 140.0.0.0.0, if yes, you can do a createinstallmedia USB clean install (read NVIDIA GTX 680/780/Quadro K5000 note) or upgrade your previous High Sierra install.

 

[deathtogoogle]

MP51.0084.B00 first needs to be updated to MP51.0089.B00. Then you can install the 140.0.0.0.0 firmware WITHOUT installing Mojave. Then you can transfer your boot to HighPoint NVMe, simply install in an PCIe slot and use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your system boot drive to the NVMe. Then shut your system down and remove original boot drive (if desired).

from the first post in this thread for getting to MP51.0089.B00:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

If you have a earlier than MP51.0089.B00 BootROM version, these are the steps to upgrade your BootROM to have Mojave support:

1. Disconnect any 4K or DP1.2 display. You can't update to MP51.0089.B00 with a 4K/DP1.2 screen connected to your Mac EFI card. It's a old bug that Apple corrected with MP6,1 and "forgot" to correct with the MP5,1. MP5,1 efiflasher don't support 4K screens or DP1.2, you can reconnect after you update your BootROM.
2. Disable FileVault2 if enabled, since FV2 is not supported anymore with a Mac Pro 5,1 running Mojave.
   
3. Install a Mac EFI64 card. Any original Apple card from 2008 to 2012 (HD 2600XT, 8800GT, Quadro FX 5600, GT120, HD 4870/5770/5870) or 3rd party Mac EFI cards like Sapphire HD 7950 Mac Edition, eVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, NVIDIA Quadro 4000/K5000 or self-flashed/MVC flashed cards.
4. If you use a SATA III PCIe card, remove your drive from the card and install into the Mac Pro SATA II ports, a lot of people reports trouble doing the firmware upgrade with SATA III cards.
5. Download the full Mac App Store Installer for 10.13.6 (even if you already are on 10.13.6)
   
6. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
7. After the firmware upgrade, 10.13.6 installer will open again, you can close it.
8. Now check if your Mac Pro BootROM is MP51.0089.B00, if yes you can shutdown and install your Metal capable GPU (any AMD equal or newer than HD 7xxx, NVIDIA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Quadro K5000 and other NVIDIA Kepler cards). [If you have a NVIDIA card that need the web driver, Maxwell and Pascal ones, wait for NVIDIA release it for Mojave]
9. Download the full Mac App Store installer for Mojave.
10. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
11. After the reboot, open System Information and check if you have BootROM 140.0.0.0.0, if yes, you can do a createinstallmedia USB clean install (read NVIDIA GTX 680/780/Quadro K5000 note) or upgrade your previous High Sierra install.

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MP51.0084.B00 first needs to be updated to MP51.0089.B00. Then you can install the 140.0.0.0.0 firmware WITHOUT installing Mojave. Then you can transfer your boot to HighPoint NVMe, simply install in an PCIe slot and use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your system boot drive to the NVMe. Then shut your system down and remove original boot drive (if desired).

from the first post in this thread for getting to MP51.0089.B00:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

If you have a earlier than MP51.0089.B00 BootROM version, these are the steps to upgrade your BootROM to have Mojave support:

1. Disconnect any 4K or DP1.2 display. You can't update to MP51.0089.B00 with a 4K/DP1.2 screen connected to your Mac EFI card. It's a old bug that Apple corrected with MP6,1 and "forgot" to correct with the MP5,1. MP5,1 efiflasher don't support 4K screens or DP1.2, you can reconnect after you update your BootROM.
2. Disable FileVault2 if enabled, since FV2 is not supported anymore with a Mac Pro 5,1 running Mojave.
   
3. Install a Mac EFI64 card. Any original Apple card from 2008 to 2012 (HD 2600XT, 8800GT, Quadro FX 5600, GT120, HD 4870/5770/5870) or 3rd party Mac EFI cards like Sapphire HD 7950 Mac Edition, eVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, NVIDIA Quadro 4000/K5000 or self-flashed/MVC flashed cards.
4. If you use a SATA III PCIe card, remove your drive from the card and install into the Mac Pro SATA II ports, a lot of people reports trouble doing the firmware upgrade with SATA III cards.
5. Download the full Mac App Store Installer for 10.13.6 (even if you already are on 10.13.6)
   
6. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
7. After the firmware upgrade, 10.13.6 installer will open again, you can close it.
8. Now check if your Mac Pro BootROM is MP51.0089.B00, if yes you can shutdown and install your Metal capable GPU (any AMD equal or newer than HD 7xxx, NVIDIA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Quadro K5000 and other NVIDIA Kepler cards). [If you have a NVIDIA card that need the web driver, Maxwell and Pascal ones, wait for NVIDIA release it for Mojave]
9. Download the full Mac App Store installer for Mojave.
10. Open the installer, do the firmware upgrade as asked.
11. After the reboot, open System Information and check if you have BootROM 140.0.0.0.0, if yes, you can do a createinstallmedia USB clean install (read NVIDIA GTX 680/780/Quadro K5000 note) or upgrade your previous High Sierra install.

The thing is that I do NOT want to carbon copy clone my existing drive. Its a total mess and I want a clean clear new install on that highpoint with 970 evo stick.

 

[bsbeamer]

The thing is that I do NOT want to carbon copy clone my existing drive. Its a total mess and I want a clean clear new install on that highpoint with 970 evo stick.

Firmware update process still applies and is required. Highly suggest getting your firmware updated to 140.0.0.0.0 before attempting to install a "fresh" copy of High Sierra on NVMe via PCIe.

 

[deathtogoogle]

Firmware update process still applies and is required. Highly suggest getting your firmware updated to 140.0.0.0.0 before attempting to install a "fresh" copy of High Sierra on NVMe via PCIe.

Indeed that is what I have been trying to do for hours now but one process is required for the other process and vice versa. I want to load the 89 rom but it doesn't recognize the high point until the rom two versions down line is loaded for the 89 rom to even load.

I do not want to alter my existing data ssd main drive because I wish to use that as an emergency because many of my programs will not function on High Sierra. So I want to clean install but high sierra will not recognize the highpoint 7101 with 970 evo.

I'm stuck

 

[bsbeamer]

HighPoint should not even be installed within your system at this stage, unless you just want to use it as an external non-bootable drive.

Again, follow directions from this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

Create a clean install of High Sierra on a spare SATA drive if you are still running into issues. If you do not have a spare SATA drive, would suggest you purchase one. Standard SATA SSDs can be found under $30 these days, or $50-75 for small capacity from reputable brands. It would make this entire process a lot easier.

Also of note, updating FIRMWARE does not change data on your drive. Launching an installer for High Sierra or Mojave to get a firmware update prompt does NOT install the OS unless you continue down that path. If you're that scared it will, CLONE YOUR DATA to an external drive. You should clone your data anyway, but that's another topic...

 

[trifero]

Every high performance M2 blade overheats and starts to throttle without a heatsink. I moved my 970 Pro to one of my Angelbird Wings PX1, now it's at 41ºC:

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People that says his/her blade never overheats or throttle, say this because never ever monitored the temps or live in a freezer.

May I ask what software is that? Thanks.

 

[TheIguana]

May I ask what software is that? Thanks.

DriveDX: https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx

 

[trifero]

DriveDX: https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx

Thanks a lot
[doublepost=1549642444][/doublepost]Really , I don´t k now what team from Istat is thinking about...

 

[tsialex]

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[deathtogoogle]

HighPoint should not even be installed within your system at this stage, unless you just want to use it as an external non-bootable drive.

Again, follow directions from this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

Create a clean install of High Sierra on a spare SATA drive if you are still running into issues. If you do not have a spare SATA drive, would suggest you purchase one. Standard SATA SSDs can be found under $30 these days, or $50-75 for small capacity from reputable brands. It would make this entire process a lot easier.

Also of note, updating FIRMWARE does not change data on your drive. Launching an installer for High Sierra or Mojave to get a firmware update prompt does NOT install the OS unless you continue down that path. If you're that scared it will, CLONE YOUR DATA to an external drive. You should clone your data anyway, but that's another topic...

Why you do things different than what you are instructed to do?

I have all the trouble to explain what to do, have all the trouble of write simple and concise first posts, but some people don’t want to follow instructions. I give up, I have better things to do with my time.

I have followed your instructions exactly but instead of the results being a boot rom
MP51.0084.B00 instead of what your instructions say it should be which is MP51.0089.B00
The only instructions that I can see beyond that is the "If nothing above works for you, try this:"
If that is what you are referring to then I shall have no choice but to try that - is that what you are referring to.

Because I am not seeing a way to install High Sierra onto a mac pro 2010 5,1 with NO OTHER HARD DRIVES in the machine. In other words just to make it clear - there will ONLY be the highpoint 7101 with the samsung 970. No previous drive will be in that machine - no other drive will be inside that machine. And your instructions state clearly that there is no way to flash firmware from a USB createinstallmedia : "You can’t upgrade Mac Pro firmware from createinstallmedia USB-key."

I have already flashed the boot rom from high sierra download and did not get the expected results - I ended up with only MP51.0084.B00

 

[tsialex]

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[TheIguana]

I have followed your instructions exactly but instead of the results being a boot rom
MP51.0084.B00 instead of what your instructions say it should be which is MP51.0089.B00
The only instructions that I can see beyond that is the "If nothing above works for you, try this:"
If that is what you are referring to then I shall have no choice but to try that - is that what you are referring to.

Because I am not seeing a way to install High Sierra onto a mac pro 2010 5,1 with NO OTHER HARD DRIVES in the machine. In other words just to make it clear - there will ONLY be the highpoint 7101 with the samsung 970. No previous drive will be in that machine - no other drive will be inside that machine. And your instructions state clearly that there is no way to flash firmware from a USB createinstallmedia : "You can’t upgrade Mac Pro firmware from createinstallmedia USB-key."

I have already flashed the boot rom from high sierra download and did not get the expected results - I ended up with only MP51.0084.B00

The firmware version is different from the version of MacOS running/being installed.

Your Highpoint 7101 card and NVMe drive are useless until you get the system firmware updated to version 140.0.0.0. Simply put, you won't be able to do what you are describing in your second paragraph. What you are describing is simply not possible as booting from an NVMe drive is a feature that was added with the 140.0.0.0 firmware. You will have to rely on a non-NVMe drive (hard drive or SATA SSD) during the firmware upgrading process.

As tsialex and others have mentioned, upgrading to 140.0.0.0 for most people is a multistep process involving upgrading to MP51.0089.B00 via the full MacOS High Sierra 13.6 installer. Only after you have gotten to the firmware MP51.0089.B00 can you use the Mojave installer to upgrade to 140.0.0.0. During both upgrades you do not need to follow through on installing the OS as the firmware upgrade is a separate process that occurs before installing the OS.

 

[Reindeer_Games]

Just to you know how easy 970 Pro overheats, I just moved my 970 Pro, my main boot drive, to a non heatsink adapter to do some tests and 5 minutes after the boot, DriveDX warned me that the sensor 2 of my 970 Pro, was at 74ºC.

Just to additionally report-I recently restored a OS to my SM951 in a Lycom with no additional heatsink and it peaked at 80 deg C before it completed. Everyone installing NVMe's should want a heatsink, IMO.

Also-the cheap supposed "x16 single NVMe" cards kick the voltage drawn across the Northbridge ~1.5-2A higher than would be expected by a traditional x4 passthrough; at least the two I tested did. All it did was make my Northbridge ~2-3 deg hotter, which is cause enough to avoid using them when better options exist.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^And to add a bit more:

I have an SM951 in a PX1 and two 970 Pros in an I/O Crest card.

Right now the SM951 is running @ 104.0F

The 970 Pros @ 116.6F & 114.8F

Lou