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is 3g something that can be added in the future with software upgrads, or does it only involve hardware?
 
What was all the jazz about with new version of Mac Mail having to-dos and what not. (For Leopard) Any chance it will tie into this? -- I mean, Hopefully there is a chance it will tie into the iphone.

Seriously a PIM without a basic to-do is - well, about as bad as "full real honest interweb - except flash" no?
 
I'm sure someone will create an app that will let you access the iPhone in disk mode if Apple doesn't implement this feature.

I also see Apple implemented the landscape keyboard for SMS and e-mail. The functionality is there, just make it work elsewhere.

While I won't use it as a modem, I could see how helpful it would be to a ton of people.

Personally I want video out. I don't have a need for an iTV but it'd be easier to connect the iPhone to the TV than it is to connect my MacBook. The new iPods have it, not sure why the iPhone doesn't. Maybe a 3rd party can create an attachment that will take care of just that unless Apple made it impossible to do so on purpose.

It is my hope that Apple has spent most of its time working on the interface/usability of the device and now that the product is shipping (almost) they will be able to implement all the other key features we so much want.
 
Has it occurred to anyone that apple doesn't want to release bloated devices? The'll add some things over software update in a staggered fashion, to add function while people get used to it. Look at how simple the "simple" iApps were when launched and what they can do now. It's all about getting people used to things, then building from there.
 
Has it occurred to anyone that apple doesn't want to release bloated devices? The'll add some things over software update in a staggered fashion, to add function while people get used to it. Look at how simple the "simple" iApps were when launched and what they can do now. It's all about getting people used to things, then building from there.

People are already used to these things. They've been on phones for years, and just about everyone's used a mobile phone.

Perhaps they just didn't want the OS to take up another 700 megabytes :rolleyes: I've got ~40 megs built in storage on my phone, and am using about half of that for the OS, 3rd party apps, ringtones and some camera pics. And I have more features too. I guess its a good thing Apple didn't include more of the basic features you'd expect, we wouldn't want the OS to take up even more space.
 
I can tether for $20/mo (and without my carrier actually giving a damn), so yes, I really did expect AT&T to offer the same.

I'm curious who your carrier is? What model phone do you use? Is it over bluetooth or usb? Did you not want to say for fear that your carrier might actually care?
 
I don't plan on buying an iPhone it is just too much money for what I need. I use a SE W810i that works well for me as an all in one device. I use my GSM phones as modems in and out of the country. It is slow but works for places that I don't have any other choices to get online. It would be nice if that feature was allowed on the iPhone but I can see why it would be not allowed. The iPhone gives you nice access to the net along with many other features. You just can't transfer files with the iPhone like you can when you have your cellphone acting as a modem. If I could transfer photos to the iPhone then connect to wi-fi or the net and transfer the files that way it would be awesome.That way I could be on assignment and still get my work sent to where ever I wanted. It will be interesting to see if this will be added in the future. That and a price drop would make me inclined to get one. I like all the features for the most part.
 
I'm curious who your carrier is? What model phone do you use? Is it over bluetooth or usb? Did you not want to say for fear that your carrier might actually care?

T-Mobile. HTC P4350. Bluetooth.

I've got no problem saying it either, no fear whatsoever. I just didn't want to get into another "what carrier is better" debate. Been there, done that.
 
T-Mobile. HTC P4350. Bluetooth.

I've got no problem saying it either, no fear whatsoever. I just didn't want to get into another "what carrier is better" debate. Been there, done that.

That's fine. I do it with SprintPCS too for $15. But Sprint tries to hide that from users (I guess knowing that some might just stick with them for this feature). Obviously no one would pay $80 per month for laptop data service if they knew they could do it with their phone. With a bluetooth phone its even more convenient than a PC Card.

T-Mobile disables the feature on many of its bluetooth phones (I know someone who has a Blackberry and its disabled). Again, its a very taboo thing with all of the carriers. They just look the other way usually.

Obviously if we could all just pay $20 for unlimited data we could do our text messages and our voice calls over skype for free and tether to our laptops. $20 per month for all of that. But guess what, if we all paid $20 per month than there wouldn't be a cell phone infrastructure to use (at least not without a rash of corporate bankruptcies first; not that there's anything wrong with that).
 
The TRUTH about Edge vs. G3 and EVDO

Found this little article that may be a little enlightening:

Edge vs EVDO, 3G, WiFi

Clearly, it is not the most brilliant of analysts who are complaining that Apple isn't offering a EVDO, a rival provider's technology, or is not forcing users to use bleeding edge 3G networks that are currently under-built and overpriced, when iPhone users will be able to use much faster and cheaper WiFi service in many areas.

With the iPhone, Apple is forcing Cingular to support and subsidize a phone that will save users money. That makes the iPhone far more useful to far more people. Remember that Apple wants to sell lots of hardware, not force users into paying high prices for mobile service.

Again, that puts Apple in the position of giving its users a better product. The prospect of high iPhone hardware sales forced Cingular to court iPhone users to get their business.

It would better suit Verizon to have mobile phones beholden to using its EVDO network for every bit of data that gets transmitted, but Apple isn't in Verizon's pocket the way Palm, Microsoft, and other vendors of phones are.

Remember that Verizon is famous for disabling Bluetooth and blocking WiFi service so that its users have no choice but to use its overpriced and underwhelming EVDO network.

Apple’s disruption in the mobile phone space is good news for anyone sick of paying too much for phone service, as it will greatly increase competition in the mobile phone and service industry. That will ultimately benefit everyone, not just Apple's customers. Analysts mocking the iPhone should know that.
 
That's fine. I do it with SprintPCS too for $15. But Sprint tries to hide that from users (I guess knowing that some might just stick with them for this feature). Obviously no one would pay $80 per month for laptop data service if they knew they could do it with their phone. With a bluetooth phone its even more convenient than a PC Card.

T-Mobile disables the feature on many of its bluetooth phones (I know someone who has a Blackberry and its disabled). Again, its a very taboo thing with all of the carriers. They just look the other way.

Obviously if we could all just pay $20 for unlimited data we could do our text messages and our voice calls over skype for free and tether to our laptops. $20 per month for all of that. But guess what, if we all paid $20 per month than there wouldn't be a cell phone infrastructure to use (at least not without a rash of corporate bankruptcies first; not that there's anything wrong with that).

I had a BlackBerry on TMo and it worked fine. Bit of a bitch to setup compared to Windows Mobile (Bluetooth PAN FTW!) but it worked. Which BB was it? I had the Pearl. I don't think some of the older BBs even had the DUN profile and just used Bluetooth for headsets (and maybe OBEX)
 
Damn, no tethering? :( I agree with those complaining about it even though I love all of the other iPhone features.

I thought the iPhone would have full Bluetooth 2.0? I don't understand why it's missing so many features like tethering, A2DP, etc.).

I guess for $20 per month though, that's not really supposed to be used for tethering. I do it anyway right now with my Media Max 200 plan even though I'm not supposed to.
 
You CAN assign ringtones to contacts.
 

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I had a BlackBerry on TMo and it worked fine. Bit of a bitch to setup compared to Windows Mobile (Bluetooth PAN FTW!) but it worked. Which BB was it? I had the Pearl. I don't think some of the older BBs even had the DUN profile and just used Bluetooth for headsets (and maybe OBEX)

It might have been an older BB. I think it was something like a 3270 or a 3290. It might have even been possible to hake it and make it work. But that's just what I'm trying to say. These phone companies don't wan that to be something the average user does. Apple may have just taken extra setps to make it even harder for a hacker. Then again, it is based on Darwin so I wouldn't be surprised iif someone gets their own custom built Darwin running underneath the iPhone's OS with 3d party apps, bluetooth modem, and a virtualized SIM card so you can just switch providers at your whim. That's my hacker challenge.
 
T-Mobile. HTC P4350. Bluetooth.

I've got no problem saying it either, no fear whatsoever. I just didn't want to get into another "what carrier is better" debate. Been there, done that.

I've got TmoB on the 20 dollar data plan. I use the SE 990i to connect to my Macbook. I've gotten a lot of work done on the Acela between New York and Washington DC with this setup. Checking email, editing copy on content publishing systems, prepared proposals and powerpoint slides even ftp'ing files from my server and uploading files to .Mac. It's slow but it works. To suggest I could get that work done on a phone is kind of stupid to me. So not having DUn is kind of ridiculous IMHO. hopefully, the hacks come fast and furious;) If it is hackable at all.
 
Found this little article that may be a little enlightening:

Edge vs EVDO, 3G, WiFi


Interesting find. A site like that doesn't point out very many negatives that really are negative. To me, after browsing the articles, a lot are rebuttals/refusals to criticism of Apple. Some are well founded, others are not. It's like going to an animal rights site to prove that vegetarianism is the best (analogy lacking I know but I hope you understand the point). Even though I'm not purchasing an iPhone when I return back to the states in a few months (1st and foremost because AT&T is the worst coverage in my area), I am very excited at the possibility of where this is taking the industry.

It's very hard for me to see Apple coming out on top though. Companies like Nokia, SE, Blackberry, ect. spend much more money and have larger RD departments than Apple's iPhone, so unless Apple grows substantially I doubt it can "win". I hope that this iPhone doesn't hinder Apple's development of other products as well such, we've seen this with Leopard and updates for the iMac/iPod, hopefully they'll be able to manage the iPhone and their other hardware/software well in the future. I am expecting this b/c now that Apple has already developed the basis for their mobile platform, revisions shouldn't be as consuming on company resources.
 
I'm starting to feel that all these iPhone bashers are comparable to some Windows fanboy going onto the Mac forums and saying that Mac's suck. You don't see topics on the Macbook Pro forum about how much better a Dell laptop is. There shouldn't be posts here about how much better other phones are. It's about discussing the iPhone. Discussing the problems is good, but posts bashing and talking about how Sidekicks are so much more functional should be deleted IMO.

That's because Dell laptops aren't better. In this case (iPhone), there is cause for whining.

Apple used to be about UI elegance, even if the boxes were ugly. Making a phone in 2007 that you can't even add ringtones to is NOT elegance. Sure, it'll come with hacking or upgrades down the road. But that's stupid to be missing on 6/29/07 since basic phones have been able to this for several years. Or a widescreen display that can only show the keyboard (they're all wide, right? it's not just my keyboard?) in portrait mode.

This shows that Apple cares more about cool hardware right now than UI. It's a mistake.
 
I've got TmoB on the 20 dollar data plan. I use the SE 990i to connect to my Macbook. I've gotten a lot of work done on the Acela between New York and Washington DC with this setup. Checking email, editing copy on content publishing systems, prepared proposals and powerpoint slides even ftp'ing files from my server and uploading files to .Mac. It's slow but it works. To suggest I could get that work done on a phone is kind of stupid to me. So not having DUn is kind of ridiculous IMHO. hopefully, the hacks come fast and furious;) If it is hackable at all.

I'm figuring if there is any kind of menu in the settings page that lets you setup Bluetooth devices, maybe there's a way to pair an iPhone with the PC. Then, from there, it's just a matter of using OSX to set it up.

One can only wish...
 
I'm figuring if there is any kind of menu in the settings page that lets you setup Bluetooth devices, maybe there's a way to pair an iPhone with the PC. Then, from there, it's just a matter of using OSX to set it up.

One can only wish...

I'm sure there are software barriers to establishing a modem connection via bluetooth or simply no software installed to facilitate a modem connection.
 
Despite Pogue's comments, I still find it hard to fathom the phone can't run a laptop. If this is indeed true, there won't be an iPhone purchase in my house. This prospect makes me sad. Not being able to use it as a modem for a laptop is a deal breaker. The lack of 3g also.

Looks like we'll shoot for the 2nd or 3rd version here. Tears. :(
 
Despite Pogue's comments, I still find it hard to fathom the phone can't run a laptop. If this is indeed true, there won't be an iPhone purchase in my house. This prospect makes me sad. Not being able to use it as a modem for a laptop is a deal breaker. The lack of 3g also.

Looks like we'll shoot for the 2nd or 3rd version here. Tears. :(

It's a half deal breaker for me. I'm just kind of used to being able to do that even though I technically don't use it that often. I just like having the option to...

Is there a cheapo 3G phone I could purchase maybe? One under $75 that supports tethering?
 
T-Mobile. HTC P4350. Bluetooth.

Yes, the T-Mobile Wing (HTC P4350) is obviously perfect....

- Interface is sluggish. Try to open a few apps at once and the thing slows to a crawl. As a multitasking device, this is unacceptable.

- No 3G

- No GPS

- Relatively heavy compared to competitors.

- Screen size is only 240 x 320, not as expansive as competitors like the N95 or iPhone. Screen can be difficult to read in direct sunlight.

- Noticeable delay when switching from portrait to landscape modes. Again, sluggishness is pervasive in the UI.

- Only 40 MB of on board memory. Juggling mSD cards is mandatory if you plan to have any significant media on this thing.

- Video playback begins to drop frames at anything more that 350kbps.

- Only Bluetooth 1.2

- Only 3 days of standby time.

- No standard 3.5 mm headphone jack. WTF.

- And this doesn't include problems inherent to Windows Mobile 6 itself...

Wow yg17, could it be that (gasp) no phone is perfect for everybody? OMG! What the hell is your point with all your bitching? Pointing out a flaw once is informative, but 300 times over and over is just pathetic.
 
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