The 13” M4 is slightly improved over the 11“ M4 but still not as good as my M1 Pro 11” the difference is clear straight away. Lacking detail for both models. I have both sizes and have been comparing, you can tell straight away. It’s a shame they screwed the audio up on these new models.
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If you wanted the MAC operating system, would it not have been more sensible to try a MAC Book first?
Totally agree but one should not overlook professional users who use them to present, marketing and sales folks, real estate agents, etc etc. For whom the bigger screen with clearer image will be a big win.
With mine it almost looks like True Tone is on even when it’s off. Then when you enable True Tone it’s like you’ve just enabled a very weak Night Shift mode. I’ve started a return for mine.
I’m just going to keep my 12.9 M1 which i was going to sell on. It’s a real shame about the screen I really did like the 13.
Sure, yet many people come from the 12.9" miniLED and with that I can barely tell a difference. Of course I can force it into a situation where the blooming clearly shows which display is the better one and outside it is brighter. And the brightness isn't even really all that usable on an iPad in the first place because the tiny battery can be emptied in just 2-2.5 hours on maximum brightness and even quicker if you make use of the SoC's processing power.
The new iPad Pros are still in this weird spot where their main selling point is portability yet the even thinner housing means that there is just no space left for a battery life that allows to make use of all these Pro features. If I actually were to edit videos in a brightly lit environment on the go like Apple's ads suggest I'd have to bring a bag of power banks along with it.
I am very happy with my iPad Pro but I know its limitations and what it excels at. Many customers will just expect a Pro experience without compromise and that's clearly not possible. You can see that by how apparently the new 11" M4 models have worse sound quality than M1/M2 due to the thinner housing. It's just mind-boggling to me how Apple finds that acceptable. I understand and agree with reducing the weight on the 13" as the 12.9" models were quite heavy. But the 11" was never heavy to begin with and sacrificing battery size and sound quality just to be able to claim that this is the thinnest iPad ever is not a Pro decision, it's advertising.
People who return the M4 model are probably realizing that for its price functionality is still heavily compromised. I suspect most customers would find a cheaper M1 Macbook Air better suited and similarly portable once you factor in the iPad's magic keyboard size and weight. In truth not that many people care about "ultra retina xdr" and "thinpossible" and so on.
I had the blooming daily and it annoyed me to no end.
This display uses less energy then the minileds, epecially because it is a tandem. That means that the two displays don’t need to be driven as hard.
and this oled display being more bright at maximum means I can turn the brightness down and save even more battery.
its funny you can see the sound. What I did see in a teardown that apple used different, round, speakers. Perhaps these are better than the older oval ones? I can hear the difference between the 13 and the 11. But between an m2 and a m4? I can’t. And it’s an iPad, not an audiophile’s setup.
every device is a compromise between a huge amount of design choices. But the iPad is the best tablet money can buy. Period. A lot of money, but still a very good daily driver and a very productive device in my hands.
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not the best and strong reasoning as to why there's "little difference" if anything the screen is leaps ahead.
It's this obsession with thinness over battery life. They could have left the thickness as is and we could have the same quality speakers (or better) with double the battery life.
More bright? The miniLED screen did 1000 nit/1600 nit, too. It's the same brightness, not brighter.
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Am I the only one that just enjoys the low response times of an OLED panel vs the awful miniLED response times? OLED+ProMotion is so smooth where miniLED+ProMotion is a ghostly mess where the ProMotion feels more like a crutch than a feature.
my M1 11” was “just” 600 nits. My M4 11” is 1000 and tops 1600More bright? The miniLED screen did 1000 nit/1600 nit, too. It's the same brightness, not brighter.
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Everybody knows the 11" didn't have the miniLED, so not sure why you'd be comparing the older LCDs on every iPad to the OLED.
The miniLED only did 1000 full screen when in HDR mode, not in regular use when it was capped at 600. The OLED does 1000 during regular use as well, so it is brighter in general use.
Everybody knows the 11” didn’t have miniLEDs, so I went from m1 11” to the m2 12.9”.
but now I can get back to the 11” and have every feature the 13 has (except real estate, but it wins on portability).
Go and take the M4 out in the sun, HUGE MASSIVE difference. I can actually use the M4 in direct sunlight, SOOO happy no other iPad or iPhone works in sunlight
Yup! And the screen picture is nearly the same as OLED (imo)... I've looked at side-by-side comparison. But from @alecgold latest reply... he's referring to the 11-inch model, not 12.9-inch.
I think the two improvements OLED has given the iPad is way better response times (buttery smooth) and allowed Apple to make the device thinner/lighter.
Go and take the M4 out in the sun, HUGE MASSIVE difference. I can actually use the M4 in direct sunlight, SOOO happy no other iPad or iPhone works in sunlight
Except I’ll never do that.
I'm not who you asked, but may serve as an example case. I have an 11" M2 iPad Pro, a 12" 2017 MacBook and an iMac. I like iOS on the iPad Pro fine. I wish the iPad could run Mac apps, though. Not use MacOS broadly, just run the apps when I want/need to.
I like the portability of iPad, the clean form factor and ease of use. I have it in an Otterbox Defender series protective case; on the rare occasion I care to use a keyboard, I use a wireless Bluetooth keyboard.
For the past few years (since Quicken went to subscription only), I've used Splasm Software's CheckBook Pro for my checkbook register needs on my iMac. When traveling, I took both iPad Pro, iPhone 12 Pro Max and MacBook, because I didn't want to have to catch up on entering transactions when I got home and CheckBook Pro has no iOS client.
I just dropped over 65 bucks to switch to Moneydance, which is on MacOS, iPhone OS, iPad OS, Android, Windows and Linux. It took multiple session onerous online research pouring through varied options to track down something with the 'check register look,' syncable between devices, well-rated, no subscription required for syncing, etc... So far, so good. I can even enter transactions from my iPhone.
If the iPad platform could run Mac apps, I could've saved over $65 (and the hassle of migrating data to the new app) and stuck with a product I'd already paid for and was content with.
I suspect many iPad users aren't out to mainly use their iPad as a MacBook, but would like the option to occasionally run an app or two when traveling, etc..., without packing a MacBook Air or Pro along. Either because an app isn't available on iOS, or the Mac version has richer features, etc...
After all, there's so much focus on what MacBook products can do that iPads can't, but the reverse is true, too. The ergonomics and touch interface rock for some tasks (e.g.: playing Hungry Shark World in the bathroom).
If you dont like what see, simply ignore it.
It only did that for HDR content, not for SDR, which includes the normal UI. There it only went up to 600 nits, whereas the M4 goes up to 1000 nits in SDR. This makes a significant difference for SDR in full brightness, for example when using the iPad in broad daylight.
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I did a side by side audio test of my M1 11“ iPad Pro and my M4 11” iPad Pro, and I couldn’t tell the difference.
Has the iFixit teardown confirmed that the speakers are in fact different from the prior model? Otherwise I would withhold judgment until we get more information.
