See post #268. Not sure why you continue to ask me to pump out some guesses. How about you chase that answer down with Samsung and report back what you find out.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw
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See post #268. Not sure why you continue to ask me to pump out some guesses. How about you chase that answer down with Samsung and report back what you find out.
Ok facts? Insert the pen correctly and your stylus won't break. Insert it the wrong way, it breaks. If something so simple is too complicated, just buy a flip phone. This is so ridiculous.
I thought the whole iPhone bending thing was silly, this is just taking it to another level.
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They don't have a reason. They just said don't put it in backwards. It was a mistake.
I honestly think they truly thought who the heck would put it in backwards? But you're right because I read the box my clothes Iron came in and it clearly notes "Never iron clothes on the body." Their attempt to fix stupid. HOWEVER, there's no mechanism that prevents me from doing it. I'm creating a thread on it next.....
I'm really PO'd because our new Toaster doesn't have a sticker that says "Do not place buttered bread in the toasters" Now my kitchen is on fire and I'll be dang if I'm going to be accountable for that McSteak!
and for years now diesel fuel pumps have prevented dispensing it into cars that aren't able to run using it however, since the introduction of E85 which can severely damange many of today's vehicles, especially those with forced induction, that don't have fuel systems capable of delivering the required flow of fuel (30%+ more flow) and lack the tuning program to burn it effectively and safely (think air/fuel ratio) without "going lean" and going BOOM!, yet those pumps will physically fit and dispense into said cars. Design flaw or should people just simply be a little more aware of the basics in life?
True story, I have a bottle of Bayer Aspirin that actually has "Do not take if allergic to aspirin" as a written warning on it yet there's no peanut warning on a Reese's Peanut butter cup candy packet for people who are allergic to Peanut Butter. Why not? Where's THAT trade off? We're talking life or death of a person not just losing the S-Pen functionality of a phone.
FWIW, I love my 09 Z06 that has twin GT 37 turbos on it and is tuned to run E85 (think cheaper version of race fuel) and puts down upwards of 750hp on a street capable tune. I can up the boost even further and lay down over 900hp when at the track too. Just a few simple tweaks the MAP's.
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There are no super simple solutions to those problems that were used by previous products and could have been continued at no extra cost. This was an oversight that will be easily fixed next gen.
No extra cost? Doubtful. chamfered cuts in products like this aren't done at no extra cost. Can you imagine the threads that would be circulating had they continued to use the Note 4 chassis and casing. LOL.
I'm sure my many examples were just oversights too.
Thanks for responding to my question
I would think if you just slide it further in to push that lever back and then insert something really thin against that side to keep the lever open you should be able to pull then pen back out without damaging it. Maybe using the protective plastic thay came with the phoen?
Not brave enough to try on my own phone though.
That picture actually confirms it for me that just applying a small taper to the stylus would have prevented this issue. The clip is so far up it's silly the stylus could literally be inserted backwards that far. The end button could have been wider like on other devices. A simple design oversight and attention they could have avoided with better design.
Exactly.
Those who still have a problem with the stylus damaging the phone when handled in the wrong way should just go and open a thread of loads more things that could have been done better that are far more serious than a pen getting stuck
Same guys desperately clutching at straws.
Why are people so afraid of logic? Having used my Note 4 nearly a year, I have never mistakenly tried to put the stylus in backward, because? There is a huge diff. between the back and the front.
Not everything can be made idiot proof. If you do not like the fact that the Note5 stylus sylo isn't, then don't get the Note5, simple as that.
If you buy a cheap third party battery that breaks your phone, that isn't Samsung's responsibility as far as design. That's very different to a stylus they have designed with expensive consequences from a simple mistake. There we are though. I'll never make this mistake in any case.
Exactly.
Those who still have a problem with the stylus damaging the phone when handled in the wrong way should just go and open a thread of loads more things that could have been done better that are far more serious than a pen getting stuck
Same guys desperately clutching at straws.
Why are people so afraid of logic? Having used my Note 4 nearly a year, I have never mistakenly tried to put the stylus in backward, because? There is a huge diff. between the back and the front.
Not everything can be made idiot proof. If you do not like the fact that the Note5 stylus sylo isn't, then don't get the Note5, simple as that.
It's not about being idiot-proof. The bigger point is that if it fits in just as easily in either direction, that indicates to the user that it shouldn't really matter which way it's inserted. So someone sitting in class mindlessly fiddling with their device pops in their stylus the wrong way and now their expensive phone is broken. They didn't do anything 'wrong' or even 'stupid'. The design choice made by the manufacturer should generally be to prevent such things, especially when there is no downside to doing so.
Same could be said for water, the majority of the planet is covered by it and we also produce all kinds of liquids.
If it can fall into water so easily, does that indicate to the user that it should go into water? No. Someone mindlessly using their phone in the bathroom and drops it in either the basin, bath or toilet, its their fault, same with the stylus.
The manual of the phone states do not put it in water and also states do not put the stylus backwards.
Like I said before, can't make everything idiot proof. The design of the stylus is a clear indication of how the stylus is meant to be put in and taken out, it requires the clicking mechanism, that SCREAMS do NOT put it in backwards.
Pure common sense.
Except a manufacturer can't rid the world of water. They can make a simple design change to prevent this.
The design of the stylus is NOT a clear indication because it fits in equally easy in either orientation except one of those orientations breaks the device.
The manufacturer can't rid the world of idiots or mistakes either.
The Stylus design does clearly indicate it. What does common sense tell you when it requires a clicking mechanism found ON ONE SIDE of that stylus? That putting it in the other way would probably not be a good idea.
Just because it fits easily either way does not mean you can just put it in like that either way.
This is where common sense comes in.
Just as manufacturers cannot rid the world of water, they can try to minimize the amount of damage that the water can do to an electronic device. Manufacturers may not be able to rid the world of "idiots" and mistakes, but that doesn't mean they can't take steps to minimize the amount of damage that "idiots" or mistakes may cause.
I'm not disagreeing with your point as they have merit. However, one thing I don't agree with is that the design was fine and Samsung's response was fine because "people should know better." There are so many instances of things in the world that people should know better, and yet they injure/kill themselves/others because they don't. Sure, Darwinism would argue that's just nature weeding out the weak, survival of the fittest and all that jazz, but it seems that the majority of the world does not subscribe to this theory, which is why we are where we are today, for better or worse.
Certain, a malfunctioning phone is a lot less serious than physical harm or death, but it still could've been easily preventable if Samsung had wanted to prevent it. They didn't and it seems they'll pay for it in some fashion or another.
Also, common sense ain't common no more.
So you think the general population of people after writing with a stylus would honestly store it pointy side out on the bottom of their phone? Are these the same people that put knives in their drawer pointy side facing them as they open it? Who when using a writing instrument doesn't put it away pointy side protected? Is there a world-wide problem with people that put their stylus away backwards?
I've used a stylus from way back in my Palm Pilot days and never once there felt the accidental awkward moment of "ooops.....silly me, I was going to flip my stylus around and insert it backwards...." Really?
Do people put dinner plates in the cupboards upside down? Is there an epidemic of students in grade schools attempting to sharpen the erasers of #2 pencils because their confused?
Weird....
what you're talking about is absolutely about being "idiot proof"....hence your next comment about someone sitting in class mindlessly fiddling.......the key word being mindlessly. It's right up there with that same student mindlessly fiddling and dropping their stylus down the heating system vent on the floor next to them. Would that be Samsung's fault too? How about mindlessly fiddling and dropping their phone breaking the glass.......design flaw or user error?
So mindlessly setting an iPhone or Note down and scratching the glass front or the camera lens on the back....is that a design flaw?
It's amazing that we have evolved to a society that needs to be protected from themselves. Again, hairdryers that really have to come with a warning not to use while in the bathtub or shower?
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Because the fact that people desire and prefer this implementation is mind blowing
They seem to enjoy potential user error
They seem to enjoy potential user error
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