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jamezr

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Maybe it's best to accept that you are not going to be able to do it on an iPhone. Seeing as sending music isn't urgent, or I guess in your case it's not urgent, just make life easier and do it on your computer when you get a chance. Apple have always had file sharing locked down which is why you've never been able to Bluetooth ring tones and pictures across in the past. There are options for sharing things but accessing the file system is not possible on iOS and what you are asking is something that involves that. I think you know that because you are not new to Apple stuff. :)
Maybe its best to keep discussing it. This was a recent issue with me and the limitation in IOS with email attachments and lack of file management. Maybe it would be nice to be able to discuss these types of issues without fear of chastisement. Either way it will not make the issue go away. What might not be urgent or a need or want for you does not make it less of a desire for others.

It would be nice if file system management was included with a future IOS release. It does not have to involve system files that are protected but it would be nice to have access to user files such as music and documents.

I don't think being around Apple products has anything to do with wanting future enhancements or discussing IOS limitations.
 

I7guy

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Maybe its best to keep discussing it. This was a recent issue with me and the limitation in IOS with email attachments and lack of file management. Maybe it would be nice to be able to discuss these types of issues without fear of chastisement. Either way it will not make the issue go away. What might not be urgent or a need or want for you does not make it less of a desire for others.

It would be nice if file system management was included with a future IOS release. It does not have to involve system files that are protected but it would be nice to have access to user files such as music and documents.

I don't think being around Apple products has anything to do with wanting future enhancements or discussing IOS limitations.

I'm glad you said that because people's needs are different and what might be a requirement for one might be optional for another.

I would like file system access, outlook functionality, once a week charging, maybe a cool way of the phone telling me (other than a smart watch) there are messages waiting, water proof and smash proof.

However back to reality in 2014, IOS probably won't have any of those on the near future, but we should discuss and understand the scope of this limitation and how many iphone users this does affect. And whether this is a majority or minority.
 

jamezr

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I'm glad you said that because people's needs are different and what might be a requirement for one might be optional for another.

I would like file system access, outlook functionality, once a week charging, maybe a cool way of the phone telling me (other than a smart watch) there are messages waiting, water proof and smash proof.

However back to reality in 2014, IOS probably won't have any of those on the near future, but we should discuss and understand the scope of this limitation and how many iphone users this does affect. And whether this is a majority or minority.
LOl.......so email attachments and file management are the same for as an indestructible phone you never have to charge?

Like the best screen size for Apple was 3.5 inches and they would NEVER make anything larger? Not in our lifetime? Or Apple would NEVER make a iPad smaller than the original size iPad?

Yeah those things never happened either......

I am glad Apple doesn't listen to people like you. I really enjoy my 6+ with a 5.5 inch screen. My son enjoys his iPad mini too!

Email attachments improvements and file management is still on my list for future IOS enhancements. If you don't need or want them that is great.
But others do....
 

I7guy

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LOl.......so email attachments and file management are the same for as an indestructible phone you never have to charge?

Like the best screen size for Apple was 3.5 inches and they would NEVER make anything larger? Not in our lifetime? Or Apple would NEVER make a iPad smaller than the original size iPad?

Yeah those things never happened either......

I am glad Apple doesn't listen to people like you. I really enjoy my 6+ with a 5.5 inch screen. My son enjoys his iPad mini too!

Email attachments improvements and file management is still on my list for future IOS enhancements. If you don't need or want them that is great.
But others do....

Missed the point entirely.... Apple to their credit doesn't listen to a lot of what goes on here.

I'm sure apple knows how to do all these things that are discussed over various threads on multiple forums. They have their own internal benchmarks I'm sure and carefully gauge form and function for who they consider to be their target audience and how this composite consumer uses their products. I wouldn't be surprised to see the reincarnation of a 4 inch device, although I can live with the form factor of a 6 as it's not bigger than my 5s with my mophie case.

Here I have something for you:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
 

jamezr

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Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

Missed the point entirely.... Apple to their credit doesn't listen to a lot of what goes on here.

I'm sure apple knows how to do all these things that are discussed over various threads on multiple forums. They have their own internal benchmarks I'm sure and carefully gauge form and function for who they consider to be their target audience and how this composite consumer uses their products. I wouldn't be surprised to see the reincarnation of a 4 inch device, although I can live with the form factor of a 6 as it's not bigger than my 5s with my mophie case.

Here I have something for you:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html


Lol.... You don't get how this all works. Others have pointed this out to you over and over again. You change your POV with how the thread goes and how wrong people make you look.
You are still caught up in the past with the 4 inch screen. Apple listened to its customers and followed the market trends and adopted larger displays for the IP6. There is no going backward now. The IP6 is breaking all sales records for previous iPhones. There is no going back now.

So if you want a 4 inch iPhone you will have to settle for the 5 or 5s.

I have already provided feedback to Apple about products and software enhancements for quite a few years now. Apple does listen to their customers.
 
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I7guy

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Lol.... You don't get how this all works. Others have pointed this out to you over and over again. You change your POV with how the thread goes and how wrong people make you look.
You are still caught up in the past with the 4 inch screen. Apple listened to its customers and followed the market trends and adopted larger displays for the IP6. There is no going backward now. The IP6 is breaking all sales records for previous iPhones. There is no going back now.

So if you want a 4 inch iPhone you will have to settle for the 5 or 5s.

I have already provided feedback to Apple about products and software enhancements for quite a few years now. Apple does listen to their customers.

I just might get it better than you. I didn't say Apple didn't listen to its customers...if you actually read what you quoted....before the mods step in you can have the last word on this.
 

jamezr

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Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

I just might get it better than you. I didn't say Apple didn't listen to its customers...if you actually read what you quoted....before the mods step in you can have the last word on this.


Perhaps go back and read what I wrote again.
I didn't say Apple didn't listen to its customers

I didn't say you did. Glad we are clear on that
 

sunking101

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What's all this talk of Android email being A1? The email capability of Android is actually something I find offputting.
Send a photo attachment email to my iPhone and it is there when I open the email, just like on a pc. Correct me if I'm doing this wrong but when someone sends a photo email to my Andoid laptop I have to download the attachment first and then view it in my gallery. Most tedious.
 

Oohara

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What's all this talk of Android email being A1? The email capability of Android is actually something I find offputting.
Send a photo attachment email to my iPhone and it is there when I open the email, just like on a pc. Correct me if I'm doing this wrong but when someone sends a photo email to my Andoid laptop I have to download the attachment first and then view it in my gallery. Most tedious.

someone help I think my brain just exploded
 

Mxbzz

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What's all this talk of Android email being A1? The email capability of Android is actually something I find offputting.
Send a photo attachment email to my iPhone and it is there when I open the email, just like on a pc. Correct me if I'm doing this wrong but when someone sends a photo email to my Andoid laptop I have to download the attachment first and then view it in my gallery. Most tedious.

Just tried this on my Galaxy Alpha, and there is no need for me to download the picture as an attachment. Much like the iPhone, it allows me to view the picture without saving it first. I verified this by checking my Gallery app-- didn't find a local copy of the email pictures I viewed.
 

jamezr

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What's all this talk of Android email being A1? The email capability of Android is actually something I find offputting.

Send a photo attachment email to my iPhone and it is there when I open the email, just like on a pc. Correct me if I'm doing this wrong but when someone sends a photo email to my Andoid laptop I have to download the attachment first and then view it in my gallery. Most tedious.


But it was the other way around. Sending email attachments from iPhone. Not just pictures but other files that are on the phone already.
 

Fernandez21

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Just tried this on my Galaxy Alpha, and there is no need for me to download the picture as an attachment. Much like the iPhone, it allows me to view the picture without saving it first. I verified this by checking my Gallery app-- didn't find a local copy of the email pictures I viewed.

I think he/she means that on the iPhone its inline where as on android you see the file icon then have to tap it to view.
 

Thekarens

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Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

I think he/she means that on the iPhone its inline where as on android you see the file icon then have to tap it to view.


That's incorrect. You tap it if you want to download and save it or enlarge it. It shows at the bottom of the email.

I'm another one who thinks the iPhone email sucks compared to Android. However there are many things I think are much better on iPhone, so I'm happy with my iPhone.

I should clarify that my email experience with Android is not with the Note 4, but various other phones.
 

Mxbzz

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I think he/she means that on the iPhone its inline where as on android you see the file icon then have to tap it to view.

The poster above is correct-- you get a thumbnail of the picture inline, and can tap it for a full screen, much like the iPhone.
 

Fernandez21

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That's incorrect. You tap it if you want to download and save it or enlarge it. It shows at the bottom of the email.

I'm another one who thinks the iPhone email sucks compared to Android. However there are many things I think are much better on iPhone, so I'm happy with my iPhone.

I should clarify that my email experience with Android is not with the Note 4, but various other phones.

The poster above is correct-- you get a thumbnail of the picture inline, and can tap it for a full screen, much like the iPhone.

Sweet, looks like it has been updated, just tried it myself. I don't get many pictures through email, so not sure when that was added. This is through the gmail app, not sure how it is through some of the other stock options with oem skins, but I do remember it being the way the OP said on the stock sense email app earlier this year.
 

EmmaBeth

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In case anyone actually reads this far still looking for information on the original topic, I thought I'd share a few of my thoughts on the Note 4 thus far. Keep in mind, I've never had an iPhone, so this is not really a comparison--just some (rather long and rambling) impressions.

1. Battery life is good. I don't have an objective measurement, but I'm able to leave "Ok, Google" and GPS on at all times and still get a day's worth of music streaming, phone calls, etc.

2. I'm quickly becoming spoiled by the larger screen. I go back to the old phone and it feels just wrong. I switched to the Basic color profile, and it looks fantastic. I've never bothered with Netflix or Amazon Prime movies on a phone before, but this is actually big enough to be watchable.

3. The S-Pen was one of my reasons for buying the phone, which had me all nervous about it: I was very afraid it'd turn out to be no more than a party trick, or a "meh, it's OK now and again" thing, and I'd regret making it a decision point.

However, a few nights ago I found out you can use it for text entry pretty much everywhere: just hover over the text field and click on the pop-up "T." And it actually translates my horribly messy *cursive* without a hitch probably 95% of the time. Has occasional issues with punctuation marks, but other than that, just about spot on.

Frankly, I'm amazed by it. I can compose tweets and Facebook statuses and text messages by hand. I find this much more fluid than a tiny on-screen keyboard. Not so good for longer posts, but for that, I'd rather be on the computer anyway.

4. Google Now is far from perfect, but still works OK for quick reminders or starting music in the car. Most of the time it picks up quickly when I say "OK, Google." However, it's frustratingly unintuitive in certain ways. For example, I couldn't find any way to *stop* Google music using only voice control. It's also far less integrated into applications than Siri is, based on what I've seen with friends' iPhones. (It does have less of an attitude--I'll leave it to you to decide if that's good or bad.) And I don't think it functions much at all if you are out of range of a decent signal.

5. Speaking of signal (and again, no objective measures), thus far the Note 4 does a much better job of holding onto cell signals than did the GS3. At home, I had to stand in one particular spot or step outside, and woe to me if I slouched too much. With the Note 4, although I have about the same poor signal strength (usually -103 dBm or worse...blah), but I haven't had a dropped call yet. Call quality is quite good, too.

6. I wasn't expecting much from the fingerprint reader: I've heard too many negatives. It does work relatively OK, but there are some frustrating and puzzling aspects. First of all, why just three fingers? I ended up doing right thumb and index and just my left thumb, since using my left index is awkward most of the time, but four would be a much more logical number of prints to hold. And though I'm usually able to make it work after a try or two, it's still enough of a hassle I may just go back to a swipe pattern or pin. This is another aspect where I'm eyeing the iPhone users with envy.

7. I really need to spend more time learning the camera. For still shots in just about any light, it does quite well, but when I tried to take some pictures of my nieces and nephews playing on Christmas Eve, anything that was moving even the littlest bit blurred, and some things looked overly sharpened. In contrast, (older) iPhone pictures taken in the same lighting look grainy, but at least not blurred. I know some conditions just aren't going to be overcome by a cell phone camera, but I'd still hoped for better.

It does capture great detail, and I'm pleased with the colors, for the most part. Like I said, I need to spend more time with it.

8. The Note 4 does lag on occasion. I'm sorry, but it's true. Sometimes the recent apps drawer doesn't pop up instantaneously. It's never more than seconds, so I'm not all that bothered by it, but...just keepin' it honest.

9. I miss the GS3's alarm clock. Samsung, why oh why did you remove the ability to shout "STOP!" and "SNOOZE!" at my clock? It was also handy for timers: you could yell "STOP!" when a timer ended while you were cooking, rather than having to wash and dry your hands in order to deal with the doggone thing. I'm sure there are third party, apps, but I'm annoyed they took this away.

10. I went looking (as I do every year or two) for decent music recording apps for Android--nothing fancy, just enough to capture a practice track--and once again am frustrated by what's available for iPhone vs Android. There are plenty of voice recorders for memos, but nothing for Android. I know you can't get much without additional hardware...but again, that hardware is available for iThings.

11. I did get my music transferred from iTunes: I picked up iSyncr, and although it wasn't a perfectly smooth process (had to keep restarting the process), it worked OK. Not sure it would have been all *that* much better with an iPhone. iTunes has a tendency to lock up on me and otherwise misbehave.

All in all, although I'm still keeping my return window in mind, I think the pros outweigh the cons. The main things I think iPhone has and I don't are the fingerprint reader, Siri, and decent audio recording capabilities.

But I'd have a hard time letting go of the S-Pen--not to mention another two hundred and fifty dollars!
 
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MRU

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Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

Thanks for sharing Emma,

Your numbering went out of kilter ;)

Just In regards to 4. (Part 1) ;) Google now. I say "OK Google Pause Music". That end's / stops playback for me :)
 

EmmaBeth

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Your numbering went out of kilter ;)

Yes it did--thanks for that! I scribbled thoughts over a few sessions and got sloppy with my cutting and pasting. Corrected.

Just In regards to 4. (Part 1) ;) Google now. I say "OK Google Pause Music". That end's / stops playback for me :)

I'll have to do more practicing, I think. I tried that, but it kept searching for various "paws" related items, which was amusing, but not very helpful. :rolleyes:

I think part of this weekend will be spent doing more research into Google voice commands in general. I didn't use them much on the GS3 because of battery life concerns, so this is all new to me.
 

spinedoc77

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First time last night taking pictures with the Note 4 in a fairly dim room, it wasn't dark by any stretch of the imagination though. One medium bright floor lamp and a ton of Xmas decorations including the tree. I was very disappointed, the shots were very grainy, not blurry but grainy. This was taken at the highest resolution.

Also when in dim rooms the shots look very dark. It's hard to explain, but the picture looks darker than my eyes are telling me the room is.

Add this to the horrible close up ability of the camera, basically it refuses to focus on things 3-4 inches away, it will focus perfectly, then go out of focus and keep alternating like that. Had this happen on 3 different Note 4's so I'm pretty sure it's not a defect.

I'm really missing the ip6+ camera about now. I hope the Note 4 didn't ruin my Xmas 2014 pictures.
 

Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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First time last night taking pictures with the Note 4 in a fairly dim room, it wasn't dark by any stretch of the imagination though. One medium bright floor lamp and a ton of Xmas decorations including the tree. I was very disappointed, the shots were very grainy, not blurry but grainy. This was taken at the highest resolution.

Also when in dim rooms the shots look very dark. It's hard to explain, but the picture looks darker than my eyes are telling me the room is.

Add this to the horrible close up ability of the camera, basically it refuses to focus on things 3-4 inches away, it will focus perfectly, then go out of focus and keep alternating like that. Had this happen on 3 different Note 4's so I'm pretty sure it's not a defect.

I'm really missing the ip6+ camera about now. I hope the Note 4 didn't ruin my Xmas 2014 pictures.

Sounds like nothing has changed from the S5 then. Amazing pictures outside and rubbish pictures indoors and in low light. I think my iphone 6 plus is better all round when it comes to pictures but I do miss the detail of the outdoor pictures that the S5 produces.
 
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jamezr

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First time last night taking pictures with the Note 4 in a fairly dim room, it wasn't dark by any stretch of the imagination though. One medium bright floor lamp and a ton of Xmas decorations including the tree. I was very disappointed, the shots were very grainy, not blurry but grainy. This was taken at the highest resolution.

Also when in dim rooms the shots look very dark. It's hard to explain, but the picture looks darker than my eyes are telling me the room is.

Add this to the horrible close up ability of the camera, basically it refuses to focus on things 3-4 inches away, it will focus perfectly, then go out of focus and keep alternating like that. Had this happen on 3 different Note 4's so I'm pretty sure it's not a defect.

I'm really missing the ip6+ camera about now. I hope the Note 4 didn't ruin my Xmas 2014 pictures.

I hope your Christmas pics turnout alright. Turnoff autofocus?
 
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