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Samsung is coming up with bendable smartphones next year and here we have Apple just about to adopt OLED and more watchband announcements.Seriously,Apple's nowhere near Samsung nowadays in innovation
I'm guessing if Apple did anything related to bendable equipment we'd be hearing how it's all just a pointless gimmick that no one really needs.
 
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Samsung is coming up with bendable smartphones next year and here we have Apple just about to adopt OLED and more watchband announcements.Seriously,Apple's nowhere near Samsung nowadays in innovation

The argument now is that Apple was never really THE innovator -- the type that introduces new and novel technology. Instead, they innovate in the sense that they take what already exists, and make it palatable and accessible to the everyday consumer. And they do so with a huge marketing effort behind it pretending that they're that sort of innovator -- the one that introduces novel/new technology to the world.

But now that it's becoming increasingly apparent that they aren't, the story now goes that they never were to begin with and it's everyone else's fault to assume that of Apple in the first place. We're the ones holding Apple to a different (and unfair) standard even though it's Apple themselves that set that standard for us to expect.

There's no question Apple knows how to package a product to the everyday consumer. Apple deserves a lot of credit for what they've accomplished both in the products and as a brand. And there's no question that they have a tremendous influence on the market and overall state of technology. Just not as they pretend to be. And just not up to the standard we expect from them.

So now, Apple should be taken as the company that takes existing technology and knows how to put them together so that it's implemented well for the general public. Even myself, it has taken some time to adjust to seeing Apple this way. Apple isn't what they claim they are, and Apple isn't what I want and wish them to be.

It's all a bit of a shame, but oh well.
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I'm guessing if Apple did anything related to bendable equipment we'd be hearing how it's all just a pointless gimmick thst no one really needs.

If only Apple would give such an opportunity.
 
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The argument now is that Apple was never really THE innovator -- the type that introduces new and novel technology. Instead, they innovate in the sense that they take what already exists, and make it palatable and accessible to the everyday consumer. And they do so with a huge marketing effort behind it pretending that they're that sort of innovator -- the one that introduces novel/new technology to the world.

But now that it's becoming increasingly apparent that they aren't, the story now goes that they never were to begin with and it's everyone else's fault to assume that of Apple in the first place. It's us that has differing standards for Apple, and that's now unfair to do even though it's Apple themselves that set that standard.

There's no question Apple knows how to package a product to the everyday consumer. Apple deserves a lot of credit for what they've accomplished both in the products and as a brand. And there's no question that they have a tremendous influence on the market and overall state of technology. Just not as they pretend to be. And just not up to the standard we expect from them.

So now, Apple should be taken as the company that takes existing technology and knows how to put them together so that it's implemented well for the general public. Even myself, it has taken some time to adjust to seeing Apple this way. Apple isn't what they claim they are, and Apple isn't what I want and wish them to be.

It's all a bit of a shame, but oh well.
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If only Apple would give such an opportunity.
Yep, too bad for Apple as you say. The world will have to adjust to Apple in this new light.
 

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I tried Gboard but the stock keyboard still comes up randomly.

In the name of security (key logging, etc.) iOS changes the keyboard to the stock one when it deems necessary.

It's annoying and creates an inconsistent experience. Especially when you factor in the fingerprint scanner. The dang point of fingerprint scanner is that it's supposed to be good enough and secure enough that you don't need to input passwords.

So it's really a double-whammy of inconsistency: 1) First, you expect finger scan will be enough, but no, you need to type in your password. And then 2) so be it, you expect the keyboard you set as default to come up, but once again, nope! It's the stock keyboard.

When was the last time these third party keyboards got caught for key logging?
 

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In the name of security (key logging, etc.) iOS changes the keyboard to the stock one when it deems necessary.

It's annoying and creates an inconsistent experience. Especially when you factor in the fingerprint scanner. The dang point of fingerprint scanner is that it's supposed to be good enough and secure enough that you don't need to input passwords.

So it's really a double-whammy of inconsistency: 1) First, you expect finger scan will be enough, but no, you need to type in your password. And then 2) so be it, you expect the keyboard you set as default to come up, but once again, nope! It's the stock keyboard.

When was the last time these third party keyboards got caught for key logging?
I get that but when I do quick reply from the lockscreen it defaults to the stock keyboard. Maybe that's also on purpose ?
 

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I get that but when I do quick reply from the lockscreen it defaults to the stock keyboard. Maybe that's also on purpose ?
Potentially more because third party keyboards are almost like apps in a sense and would have to be loaded to work, and at least third party apps are basically not something that can be used when the screen is unlocked, aside from some background ones like for audio (although there seems to be some consideration for something like that when it comes to widgets in notification center which can be set to be accessible when the screen is locked). Hard to say for sure if that might be it or not.
 

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I'm guessing if Apple did anything related to bendable equipment we'd be hearing how it's all just a pointless gimmick that no one really needs.
I would take even gimmicks at this point,At least they are better than freaking watch bands announcements.I am gonna face palm when Tim Cook puts up watch bands at his keynotes while in other news Sammy will be showcasing bendable screens which fit in our pocket

It's time Apple takes a good hard look at Motorola and Nokia.Samsung not only caught up but is now having Apple in its rear view mirror
 
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I would take even gimmicks at this point,At least they are better than freaking watch bands announcements.I am gonna face palm when Tim Cook puts up watch bands at his keynotes while in other news Sammy will be showcasing bendable screens which fit in our pocket

It's time Apple takes a good hard look at Motorola and Nokia.Samsung not only caught up but is now having Apple in its rear view mirror
yeah......new thinner watch bands.....:)
 
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I would take even gimmicks at this point,At least they are better than freaking watch bands announcements.I am gonna face palm when Tim Cook puts up watch bands at his keynotes while in other news Sammy will be showcasing bendable screens which fit in our pocket

It's time Apple takes a good hard look at Motorola and Nokia.Samsung not only caught up but is now having Apple in its rear view mirror
Is that why Apple is the most valuable company and third in revenues of the Fortune 500...because it's in samsungs rear view mirror. Obviously that is not a universal thought.
 
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I would take even gimmicks at this point,At least they are better than freaking watch bands announcements.I am gonna face palm when Tim Cook puts up watch bands at his keynotes while in other news Sammy will be showcasing bendable screens which fit in our pocket

It's time Apple takes a good hard look at Motorola and Nokia.Samsung not only caught up but is now having Apple in its rear view mirror
Ah, so deflecting and focusing on some unrelated thing to try to make some all encompassing generalized point. Truly makings of a meaningful strong rational argument, as always.
 

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Am I reading this right? App Store 2.0 will feature an ad in searches?

http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/8/11...e-subscription-update-phil-schiller-interview

APP STORE 2.0
The App Store changed the way we buy software. Can Apple do it again?

So how will the search ads work in the App Store when they launch in beta next Monday? For one, the ads are only for other apps. An ad will appear at the top of iOS App Store search results, and will be identified as a search ad, showing a light blue background with a blue ad button on it. Only one ad will appear at a time (or none at all).
 

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Is that why Apple is the most valuable company and third in revenues of the Fortune 500...because it's in samsungs rear view mirror. Obviously that is not a universal thought.
No.I mean Samsung is more innovative than Apple.Apple's becoming more and more like Microsoft.They aren't taking any bold moves instead sticking to improving existing SJ innovations.Samsung is already on track for the "next big thing" .Your quote about Revenue and Value reminds me about how Ballmer laughed at the iPhone when Apple was actually doing bold moves and now look at MS in the mobile market.
 
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No.I mean Samsung is more innovative than Apple.Apple's becoming more and more like Microsoft.They aren't taking any bold moves instead sticking to improving existing SJ innovations.Samsung is already on track for the "next big thing" .Your quote about Revenue and Value reminds me about how Ballmer laughed at the iPhone when Apple was actually doing bold moves and now look at MS in the mobile market.
That's fine and dandy. Baller laughed and look at Apple now the market leader. All this hubris and folderol lol doesn't change a thing. Samsung is always in track for the next big thing, still waiting. You're confusing innovation with inclusion of features.
 
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That's fine and dandy. Baller laughed and look at Apple now the market leader. All this hubris and folderol lol doesn't change a thing. Samsung is always in track for the next big thing, still waiting. You're confusing innovation with inclusion of features.
all that hyperbole...... and just what does "folderlol" mean?
so let me ask you then as the Apple defender of all things that you are.....
When/where is the next big thing from Apple?
 

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I get that but when I do quick reply from the lockscreen it defaults to the stock keyboard. Maybe that's also on purpose ?

Someone on these forums helped me with this issue by telling me to delete ALL the keyboards except GBoard. Settings --> General --> Keyboards --> Keyboards --- hit Edit and delete Everything but gboard.

That worked for me. I ended up going back to stock keyboard because I use the voice to text option but I really like gboard.
 

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You yourself know the answer to the questions that you ask.
Seriously why don't you answer the question? Why avoid it? What do you see as the next big thing from apple? I don't know what the next big thing from apple is tbh.
 
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Seriously why don't you answer the question? Why avoid it? What do you see as the next big thing from apple? I don't know what the next big thing from apple is tbh.
Completely agree with what your saying! I myself have been with iPhone since the 3gs, and not much has change. With that being said, I'm on the verge of switching to samsung because of this.
 
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Completely agree with what your saying! I myself have been with iPhone since the 3gs, and not much has change. With that being said, I'm on the verge of switching to samsung because of this.

I'd be very interested to see your review of your Samsung phone when you get it. Hopefully you will do one if you decide to go Samsung. I looked into the S7 before getting my 6s+ and definitely considered it. I won't cause a fight by explaining my reasons why I didn't get it but, SD card, fast charging, curved display, and many others made it VERY tempting. Things I miss most from my Note 3 - Removable battery and SD Card.
 

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Seriously why don't you answer the question? Why avoid it? What do you see as the next big thing from apple? I don't know what the next big thing from apple is tbh.

I pretty much asked @C DM the same question in this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-over-apple-6s.1975436/page-3#post-22980252

Still genuinely curious, but if these people don't want to engage and just want to criticize anyone who criticizes Apple, then what can ya do.

Speaking from experience, don't hold your breath on a legitimate answer from i7guy. I tried asking him questions to understand his position better, but he refused to answer. I believe it's because he knows his position is untenable. Inconsistencies are difficult to explain, so I can't blame him for dodging questions.
 
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Seriously why don't you answer the question? Why avoid it? What do you see as the next big thing from apple? I don't know what the next big thing from apple is tbh.
Neither do I know what the next big thing is. Who does? TC and his staff do. The answer is Apple has always been tight lipped about their plans. When these announcements are made and whether these announcements are viewed as "the next big thing" is tbd.
 

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I pretty much asked @C DM
Still genuinely curious, but if these people don't want to engage and just want to criticize anyone who criticizes Apple, then what can ya do.

Can I try? Not looking to fight at all - and I see the point you guys are making. I notice that revolutionary isn't something that Apple seems to be doing recently but it doesn't bother me at all. Apple provides a product that I really enjoy using, features that I can't live without now (iMessage on Mac Air, Mini, iPad - and accept calls from any device), crazy long standby battery life, no forced adware, etc... That said, iCloud is terrible imo - iCloud Photos is nowhere near Google Photos so I use Google for everything on my Apple devices. A huge thing for me is AppleCare+ and how if my phone dies, I can walk out of an Apple store in 10 mins with a new phone for $0.
The bump in camera megapixels was enough for me to go from the 6+ to 6s+.

Do I think Samsung is revolutionary? Maybe, but not enough to make me want to change. SD Card is awesome. Rapid charging is awesome. Wireless charging was a huge letdown for me when I tried it on the Nexus 6 (slow, didn't always work, etc...).

I sure hope Samsung does great. Why? Competition for Apple. So I'm cheering Samsung and hope they put out some amazing stuff (if it's amazing enough, I'll get it) because it'll kick Apple in the pants (hopefully) to do better.
 

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Neither do I know what the next big thing is. Who does? TC and his staff do. The answer is Apple has always been tight lipped about their plans. When these announcements are made and whether these announcements are viewed as "the next big thing" is tbd.
But then how can you criticise Samsung in your posts? You deride them for the "next big thing" knowing that Apple has no such big thing or any hint of it. In fact all rumors point to this being a down year for Apple. Are you sure TC has a "next big thing" in store of us? How can you be sure?

The answer is Apple has always been tight lipped about their plans.
C'mon now.... Apple future products have been leaked for the last few years. the leakers have been very accurate so far.
What was the "next big thing" from Apple the last few years in your opinion?
 
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