Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[I7guy]

But then how can you criticise Samsung in your posts? You deride them for the "next big thing" knowing that Apple has no such big thing or any hint of it. In fact all rumors point to this being a down year for Apple. Are you sure TC has a "next big thing" in store of us? How can you be sure?


C'mon now.... Apple future products have been leaked for the last few years. the leakers have been very accurate so far.
What was the "next big thing" from Apple the last few years in your opinion?

Show me a post where i criticized Samsung other than the put it in and take it out fiasco and shoddy design of the spen insertion. I may not think what they are doing is the be-all and end-all and what others consider big I may not.

Edit: 5s with 64 bit and Touch ID changed the face of Mobile phones.

 

[jamezr]

Show me a post where i criticized Samsung other than the put it in and take it out fiasco and shoddy design of the spen insertion. I may not think what they are doing is the be-all and end-all and what others consider big I may not.

Edit: 5s with 64 bit and Touch ID changed the face of Mobile phones.

So you're not going to answer my questions?
What did 64 bit do exactly? There were phones with FP scanners before 5s.

You did criticize Samsung in the original post I quoted

That's fine and dandy. Baller laughed and look at Apple now the market leader. All this hubris and folderol lol doesn't change a thing. Samsung is always in track for the next big thing, still waiting. You're confusing innovation with inclusion of features.

 

[I7guy]

So you're not going to answer my questions?
What did 64 bit do exactly? There were phones with FP scanners before 5s.

You did criticize Samsung in the original post I quoted

You don't want to accept the answer, fine and dandy. And Where you see criticism I see opinion.

Tell me why every phone manufacturer is tripped over themselves to implement 64 bit. Please look up 64 bit so you don't derail the thread.

Edit: FP readers existed before Apple; that's the standard answer around here. What has Samsung did that is innovative? Hint: I'll provide the same type of response you did. You dont really want an answer, just want to downplay the significance.

 

[lowendlinux]

Do you guys ever get tired of talking at each other?

 

[BigMcGuire]

Do you guys ever get tired of talking at each other?

Yes. Android vs Apple forum threads are by far the most unpleasant threads in my experience here at Macrumors. And that is an awesome quote you have there "All the best people in life seem to like Linux." (Steve Wozniak).

 

[I7guy]

Do you guys ever get tired of talking at each other?

Which guys?

 

[jamezr]

You don't want to accept the answer, fine and dandy. And Where you see criticism I see opinion.

Tell me why every phone manufacturer is tripped over themselves to implement 64 bit. Please look up 64 bit so you don't derail the thread.

Edit: FP readers existed before Apple; that's the standard answer around here. What has Samsung did that is innovative? Hint: I'll provide the same type of response you did. You dont really want an answer, just want to downplay the significance.

That still doesn't answer the question....what did 64 bit do exactly?
So you're saying Apple's last great innovation was TouchId on the iphone 5s from 2013?
I just want to be clear because you seem to want to deflect and dodge the question.

You said:

Samsung is always in track for the next big thing, still waiting. You're confusing innovation with inclusion of features.

Isn't TouchID just a feature too then?

 

[Radon87000]

You don't want to accept the answer, fine and dandy. And Where you see criticism I see opinion.

Tell me why every phone manufacturer is tripped over themselves to implement 64 bit. Please look up 64 bit so you don't derail the thread.

Edit: FP readers existed before Apple; that's the standard answer around here. What has Samsung did that is innovative? Hint: I'll provide the same type of response you did. You dont really want an answer, just want to downplay the significance.

OLED,Wireless charging,Waterproofing?These are TANGIBLE innovations.64 Bit is useless.It does nothing unless you have more than 4 gigs of ram.

 

[I7guy]

That still doesn't answer the question....what did 64 bit do exactly?
So you're saying Apple's last great innovation was TouchId on the iphone 5s from 2013?
I just want to be clear because you seem to want to deflect and dodge the question.

You said:


Isn't TouchID just a feature too then?

Okay I'm with you. There have been no innovations in the mobile phone market only invention and features being added and subtracted.

Btw you asked what a recent innovation was, that was my opinion; but obviously FP and 64 bit were just features. Doesn't matter to me what they were called as they were important features that manufacturers tripped over themselves to implement.
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OLED,Wireless charging,Waterproofing?These are TANGIBLE innovations.64 Bit is useless.It does nothing unless you have more than 4 gigs of ram.

Lol, innovations. We've already established they are features. Period. If 64 bit is useless why is the s7 64 bit?

 

[Radon87000]

i7guy has yet to refute on what Apple's innovations have been lately apart from battery cases and watch bands.Samsung is focusing on bendable OLEDs and we have Apple JUST now adopting OLED.Its self explanatory who the industry pioneer at this point now is

 

[I7guy]

i7guy has yet to refute on what Apple's innovations have been lately apart from battery cases and watch bands.Samsung is focusing on bendable OLEDs and we have Apple JUST now adopting OLED.Its self explanatory who the industry pioneer at this point now is

Nice try deflecting. I don't have to do anything or defend anything. Apples revenue, valuation and the number of Idevices speaks for itself, if you don't believe they are innovative enough, the competition has a phone for you. The iPhone 7 will probably sell more phones a launch than the s7 in total. Who is the industry pioneer?

 

[C DM]

OLED,Wireless charging,Waterproofing?These are TANGIBLE innovations.64 Bit is useless.It does nothing unless you have more than 4 gigs of ram.

That's coming of as basically if Apple does something then it's useless and just a gimmick, but if Samsung does something then it's innovative.
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i7guy has yet to refute on what Apple's innovations have been lately apart from battery cases and watch bands.Samsung is focusing on bendable OLEDs and we have Apple JUST now adopting OLED.Its self explanatory who the industry pioneer at this point now is

Innovations (in some areas) by one entity don't necessarily preclude or even relate to innovations (potentially in other areas) by another entity. Reality isn't even remotely close to functioning on absolutes and extremes as some try to make it out to be.

 

[Flow39]

I love Android and everything, but I fail to see how Samsung is some uber-innovative company. Bendable phones? Cool, but I really don't want a phone that could do that. It is innovative, but is it the innovation we need? Same with curved edged displays. Do they look cool? Yes. Do they provide a neat aesthetic to the phone? Yes. Do they provide any useful functionality? It's arguable, but in my opinion, not really. They make the phone much harder to hold and video is distorted at the edges because of the curve. Waterproofing? Other companies have done it before and no one gave them credit, but when Samsung did it, all of the sudden, it's innovation. Same with Micro SD slots. They added it, even while HTC has had it for years now, but they add it in the S7 and everyone praises Samsung's "innovation".

If Apple does these things, will my mind change? Probably not. I've tried the S6/S7 Edge and don't find that I love the curved display. A bendable phone is really not a top priority for me either, since all 3 current iPhones work well and fit into my pocket without issue. What I want to see is better battery life, better software features/ better reliability, and improvements to the design.

 

[Wildo6882]

I love Android and everything, but I fail to see how Samsung is some uber-innovative company. Bendable phones? Cool, but I really don't want a phone that could do that. It is innovative, but is it the innovation we need? Same with curved edged displays. Do they look cool? Yes. Do they provide a neat aesthetic to the phone? Yes. Do they provide any useful functionality? It's arguable, but in my opinion, not really. They make the phone much harder to hold and video is distorted at the edges because of the curve. Waterproofing? Other companies have done it before and no one gave them credit, but when Samsung did it, all of the sudden, it's innovation. Same with Micro SD slots. They added it, even while HTC has had it for years now, but they add it in the S7 and everyone praises Samsung's "innovation".

If Apple does these things, will my mind change? Probably not. I've tried the S6/S7 Edge and don't find that I love the curved display. A bendable phone is really not a top priority for me either, since all 3 current iPhones work well and fit into my pocket without issue. What I want to see is better battery life, better software features/ better reliability, and improvements to the design.

While I agree with your assessment that some of their "innovation" is meh. But most of what you're talking about is just physical. Software comes into play too.

But I would like to ask, what has Apple innovated lately? Fingerprint sensor? Done before and they purchased the software for it from another company. 3D touch, I suppose? Which is a glorified right click. They don't have the best screen. They don't have the best camera. And their OS is basically the same thing that it was 5 years ago. Samsung has the best screen and arguably the best camera in a smartphone. Their OS may be a bit all over the place at times, but at least they're throwing in some value adds.

And I'm no Apple hater. I love Apple and love my 6s Plus. But there are definitely arguments to be made on both sides of the coin.

 

[I7guy]

While I agree with your assessment that some of their "innovation" is meh. But most of what you're talking about is just physical. Software comes into play too.

But I would like to ask, what has Apple innovated lately? Fingerprint sensor? Done before and they purchased the software for it from another company. 3D touch, I suppose? Which is a glorified right click. They don't have the best screen. They don't have the best camera. And their OS is basically the same thing that it was 5 years ago. Samsung has the best screen and arguably the best camera in a smartphone. Their OS may be a bit all over the place at times, but at least they're throwing in some value adds.

And I'm no Apple hater. I love Apple and love my 6s Plus. But there are definitely arguments to be made on both sides of the coin.

Innovation is not invention. It is the act of translating an idea or invention into a good or service that creates value or for which customers will pay.

The way apple integrated the fingerprint sensor along with the reliability and use for passwords, financial transactions, itunes etc. is an innovation. The way apple integrated 64 bit is an innovation. 3DT is an innovation the way apple integrated it. The front flash on the 6S is an innovation. The health app is an innovation as to what apple wants to do in the healthcare sector..

One could attempt to downplay these, and that would be a fair opinion, but in the end the above meets the criteria for innovation.

OLED, better screens, faster processor, more memory, camera sensor, waterproofing, sd card, not innovations. People may want to pay for those features (like leather in a car), but it doesn't make them an innovation.

 

[Wildo6882]

Innovation is not invention. It is the act of translating an idea or invention into a good or service that creates value or for which customers will pay.

The way apple integrated the fingerprint sensor along with the reliability and use for passwords, financial transactions, itunes etc. is an innovation. The way apple integrated 64 bit is an innovation. 3DT is an innovation the way apple integrated it. The front flash on the 6S is an innovation. The health app is an innovation as to what apple wants to do in the healthcare sector..

One could attempt to downplay these, and that would be a fair opinion, but in the end the above meets the criteria for innovation.

OLED, better screens, faster processor, more memory, camera sensor, waterproofing, sd card, not innovations. People may want to pay for those features (like leather in a car), but it doesn't make them an innovation.

Wow. How are those things you mentioned innovations but nothing that Samsung or Android has done are?! The FPS was done long before them. All they did was include the software in their OS that they purchased for someone else. Samsung was actually bidding for it at the same time. And 64 bit does absolutely nothing for the end user experience. How many people know or care about it? That's just to toss something out there.

So waterproofing a phone isn't innovation but a front flash which was first used by Snapchat is? Give me a break. And making an energy efficient display that is the absolute best on the market isn't innovation? By your definition alone it's the epitome of innovation.

I don't even know what to say to you anymore. You absolutely CANNOT (or refuse to) see the plusses to other phones and OSes.

 

[I7guy]

Wow. How are those things you mentioned innovations but nothing that Samsung or Android has done are?! The FPS was done long before them. All they did was include the software in their OS that they purchased for someone else. Samsung was actually bidding for it at the same time. And 64 bit does absolutely nothing for the end user experience. How many people know or care about it? That's just to toss something out there.

So waterproofing a phone isn't innovation but a front flash which was first used by Snapchat is? Give me a break. And making an energy efficient display that is the absolute best on the market isn't innovation? By your definition alone it's the epitome of innovation.

I don't even know what to say to you anymore. You absolutely CANNOT (or refuse to) see the plusses to other phones and OSes.

The question was asked what did apple innovate, so examples were supplied. if 64 bit does nothing for the end user experience, why is almost every phone 64 bit now and why did qualcomm say it caught them by surprise with the 5s? Why? Because 32 bit is limited to addressing about 3gb and more memory allows for more freedom in software development allowing for further innovations.

Also it's too bad apple didn't waterproof the 6s, but that aside, waterproof is not innovation; however apple did make the 6s water resistant without publicizing it.

edit: the foldable phone that is being discussed would be an innovation. Not one that I care about though.

 

[Wildo6882]

The question was asked what did apple innovate, so examples were supplied. if 64 bit does nothing for the end user experience, why is almost every phone 64 bit now and why did qualcomm say it caught them by surprise with the 5s? Why? Because 32 bit is limited to addressing about 3gb and more memory allows for more freedom in software development allowing for further innovations.

Also it's too bad apple didn't waterproof the 6s, but that aside, waterproof is not innovation; however apple did make the 6s water resistant without publicizing it.

edit: the foldable phone that is being discussed would be an innovation. Not one that I care about though.

So the only thing that 64 bit matters on is the 12.9" iPad Pro and Android phones? Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

And yes, waterproofing a piece of technology that has completely open ports and holes is innovation. It is exactly what you said innovation was.

 

[I7guy]

So the only thing that 64 bit matters on is the 12.9" iPad Pro and Android phones? Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

And yes, waterproofing a piece of technology that has completely open ports and holes is innovation. It is exactly what you said innovation was.

So I waterproofing is an innovation, but the front flash and tru-tone flash in the back(with the 5s) aren't? Got it. Thanks.

 

[Wildo6882]

So I waterproofing is an innovation, but the front flash and tru-tone flash in the back(with the 5s) aren't? Got it. Thanks.

The front flash is a joke. It's the same thing that Snapchat already did. I've had a 6s Plus since December and I've used that a grand total of ZERO times. What did they innovate? They took an idea from a social media app. Give them a medal. I had a 5S too. Still don't see what the Tru-Tone flash does.

And yes, I would argue and I'm sure most tech lovers would argue that the way Samsung implanted waterproofing was innovation - more so than lighting up the screen when taking a selfie. And it is useful. You may not use it constantly, but it's nice to not have to worry about getting your phone wet.

 

[I7guy]

The front flash is a joke. It's the same thing that Snapchat already did. I've had a 6s Plus since December and I've used that a grand total of ZERO times. What did they innovate? They took an idea from a social media app. Give them a medal. I had a 5S too. Still don't see what the Tru-Tone flash does.

And yes, I would argue and I'm sure most tech lovers would argue that the way Samsung implanted waterproofing was innovation - more so than lighting up the screen when taking a selfie. And it is useful. You may not use it constantly, but it's nice to not have to worry about getting your phone wet.

Snapchat is a mobile application. The front-flash in the 6s is hardware based and can be turned on/off/auto and has special circuitry to brighten the screen more than 100%. I've used the front flash a number of times. Innovation is taking a concept and adding value to it. You keep confusing innovation with invention.

So basically got the drift of this. Glue in holes is innovation, but 3dt, front-flash, tru-tone, FPS, 64 bit isn't. Got it. Thanks.

 

[Wildo6882]

Snapchat is a mobile application. The front-flash in the 6s is hardware based and can be turned on/off/auto and has special circuitry to brighten the screen more than 100%. I've used the front flash a number of times. Innovation is taking a concept and adding value to it. You keep confusing innovation with invention.

So basically got the drift of this. Glue in holes is innovation, but 3dt, front-flash, tru-tone, FPS, 64 bit isn't. Got it. Thanks.

Ok, so adding a feature that makes the screen flash the same exact way that a social media app has already done is innovation? Ok. Whatever man. We're not going to agree. The difference between us is that I'm not so far shoved up Apple's butt that I can't see the pros of other platforms. Apple makes a great product. But they aren't an innovator anymore. They were. They aren't now. They're a renovator. They take what is out there and conform it to their platform. They don't make it better. They make you think it's better because it's on the platform of your choice.

And if you re-read what I posted previously, I said 3D Touch was innovation. But honestly, it's a glorified right click. It can be convenient. But it isn't earth shattering.

 

[I7guy]

Ok, so adding a feature that makes the screen flash the same exact way that a social media app has already done is innovation? Ok. Whatever man. We're not going to agree. The difference between us is that I'm not so far shoved up Apple's butt that I can't see the pros of other platforms. Apple makes a great product. But they aren't an innovator anymore. They were. They aren't now. They're a renovator. They take what is out there and conform it to their platform. They don't make it better. They make you think it's better because it's on the platform of your choice.

And if you re-read what I posted previously, I said 3D Touch was innovation. But honestly, it's a glorified right click. It can be convenient. But it isn't earth shattering.

Ok, you can innovate an innovation; put a new twist on something that has been done.

I don't know it's not about agreeing or disagreeing. We have different definitions. Samsung makes a great product, just not for me and I'm not up their "butts" as it is said, so I can't see the pros and cons of other platforms. I don't agree with your point of view, but that's okay. If you don't think apple innovates, that's fine. Doesn't affect me any way, this is a discussion forum...no correct answers, just lots of opinions. However, in the guise of being objective, there is a bit of bias, imo.

 

[C DM]

Ok, so adding a feature that makes the screen flash the same exact way that a social media app has already done is innovation? Ok. Whatever man. We're not going to agree. The difference between us is that I'm not so far shoved up Apple's butt that I can't see the pros of other platforms. Apple makes a great product. But they aren't an innovator anymore. They were. They aren't now. They're a renovator. They take what is out there and conform it to their platform. They don't make it better. They make you think it's better because it's on the platform of your choice.

And if you re-read what I posted previously, I said 3D Touch was innovation. But honestly, it's a glorified right click. It can be convenient. But it isn't earth shattering.

Let's at least get it right if it keeps on coming up rewsredly, what Apple did with the front flags is not the same thing that an app or software can do (the concept/idea would be the same, but it's not the same as to how it's done and what went into making it work the way that it does). At least getting the basics right would be good if they are going to be repeatedly commented on.

 

[epicrayban]

Now this is really cool:
http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/macbo...-c-ports-monster-trackpad-just-take-my-money/

I would update my rMBP to this in a heart beat.

Edit: also on front page of MR.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/09/macbook-pro-oled-touch-panel-concept/

Concept Imagines What a Dynamic OLED Touch Panel Could Look Like on a MacBook Pro

Just wow:

A dynamic function touch screen bar is brilliant. Makes perfect sense. I really hope we see something like this soon.