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sjsharksfan12

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I'm not sure how I feel about the message being not following the rules. Yeah you want to do what is right, but this is still starfleet right? I think the message should have been about flexibility and making sure you don't wear out the crew. Of course this being Lower Decks, and it's late, there was the joke that went over my head.

I think it was a decent episode and I loved the use of buffer time and the end scene was great (Miles O'Brian being the most important person in Starfleet history) but it was kinda ruined with the Captain and Boimler scene. My initial score is probably a 6, but like last week I will need to rewatch this one.
 

BigMcGuire

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As someone who grew up with TNG, the whole idea behind Lower Decks really put me off. I can't imagine trying to enjoy that. And I'm a huge Family Guy / American Dad fan.

Yes, Miles O'Brien is the most important person in starfleet history. DS9 he shined as chief engineer. :) He had some AMAZING episodes with Dr. Bashir. As an Irishman myself, I liked that guy a lot. :p
 

bradl

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As someone who grew up with TNG, the whole idea behind Lower Decks really put me off. I can't imagine trying to enjoy that. And I'm a huge Family Guy / American Dad fan.

Yes, Miles O'Brien is the most important person in starfleet history. DS9 he shined as chief engineer. :) He had some AMAZING episodes with Dr. Bashir. As an Irishman myself, I liked that guy a lot. :p

Interesting note: O'Brien and Riker were the only ones to show up in all 4 network-based post-TOS series, with each of them being in 3 post-TOS series.

O'Brien was in the pilot for TNG, DS9 and VOY. Riker was in TNG, DS9 (as Thomas Riker, not Will Riker), VOY, and ENT.

BL.
 

sjsharksfan12

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Interesting note: O'Brien and Riker were the only ones to show up in all 4 network-based post-TOS series, with each of them being in 3 post-TOS series.

O'Brien was in the pilot for TNG, DS9 and VOY. Riker was in TNG, DS9 (as Thomas Riker, not Will Riker), VOY, and ENT.

BL.

I don't remember O'Brien being in the plot for Voyager. He was only in TNG and DS9.
 

cwerdna

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sjsharksfan12

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I really liked the trailer to Discovery, even though they are once again doing a "cataclysmic" event. At least now it's the aftermath rather than designing an entire season around it. They are saying this is kind of a reboot to the show so hopefully I will enjoy it.

I watched the Enterprise and Voyager panels yesterday. They were really good.
 

Mousse

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As someone who grew up with TNG, the whole idea behind Lower Decks really put me off. I can't imagine trying to enjoy that. And I'm a huge Family Guy / American Dad fan.

Yes, Miles O'Brien is the most important person in starfleet history. DS9 he shined as chief engineer. :) He had some AMAZING episodes with Dr. Bashir. As an Irishman myself, I liked that guy a lot. :p
Did they explain his strange promotion/demotion history? In the pilot episode of TNG he was had 1 gold pips (Ensign) red uniform. He got promoted to Transporter Chief and 2 gold pips (Lt) and gold uniform in season 2. Several season later, he got demoted 1 black pip (lower ranked than an Ensign so gotta be an NCO). The Chief nomenclature suggests he's a Chief Petty Officer. When he transferred to DS9, he formally held the rank of Chief Petty Officer. Dunno what he did to earn Picard's ire to get dropped from Lieutenant to non-com.:oops: I guess Picard is still sore about being turned into a teenager in a transporter accident.🤣
 
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bobob

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So do vacuum cleaners, but you don't see the rest of us complaining. :rolleyes: ;)

BL.
Vacuum cleaners are built to suck. I just hadn't realized that Disco was also produced for the purpose of sucking.

In that case - - job well done!
 
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maflynn

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I know at this point its water over the dam, and that the Kelvin time line of star trek is probably dead, but i wanted to say this anyways :)

I really do not like the Kelvin time line Star Trek movies. I think they altered so much of the universe and characters that it lost what made Star Trek so different and unique. There are elements of the movies that were good, but so many choices in plot, character development, and back story that turned me off. For instance, destroying the planet Vulcan, killing Kirk's father (thus altering how Kirk would grow up), punishing him for the kobayashi maru

He's stranded on an ice planet by Spock, He beams onto the enterprise and assumes control after he causes spock to lose it. Just doesn't make sense, are there no actual officers of higher rank that were actually assigned to the ship to take command? Why did everyone on the bridge just stand around and watch Spock beat the snot out of Kirk? Why not try to restain him, which is kind of the normal thing.

The second was a near copy of the Wrath of Khan, They had so much opportunity to make something new. Wasn't that the reason for the Kelvin timeline anyways? JJ Abrams had wanted a fresh start because everything was already done in Star Trek and needed a clean break, yet he just remade an uninspiring copy pf Wrath of Khan

In star trek 3 they trotted out the old and over used plot point of destroying the enterprise. When it first happened in the search for spock it was shocking and was a great move, now it seams every third movie has to destroy the enterprise.


Ok, I got that off my chest :)
 

ian87w

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A casual Trekkie here. :) Love the franchise, but I wouldn't know the trivias. :D
I grew up with TNG, and grew to watch DS9, VOY, and ENT regularly. I got to know TOS through the novels and movies before looking at some episodes of the original TV show.

For TV series, my fav is VOY, with TNG follows close (although the early seasons were not as "great" as I remembered.. :D). I'm probably one of the few who actually like ENT. In contrast, I wasn't too intrigued with DS9, although there are some truly fun episodes (usually involves time travel).

As for movies, my first Star Trek movie experience was First Contact, which was awesome. Alas, that makes it downhill for the rest of the movies... :D My second fav is Star Trek 4. I really enjoy time travel stories, especially how future people behaves in current/older time period. :) Star Trek 6 was good as well. The rest are just ho hum, with Star Trek 1 and 5 being the weakest imo.

About DIS, I believe I already posted my thoughts in other threads. I didn't like it at first, but came to accept and kinda enjoyed it after I consider it being Ethan Hunt (Michael Burnham) in space. I'm glad that they push the timeline into the future in season 3 (about time), but hopefully we can get something like TNG-style in that new future.

Have not watched Picard nor Lower Decks since they are not available yet in my country in official channels.

As for Kelvin timeline, well, what can I say. It's unfortunate that it happens, they could've just made DIS into the new movie trilogy instead (it seemed to have the budget). But of course DIS probably wouldn't happen without the Kelvin timeline. I do really like Chris Pine as an actor, but the script is just meh. OTOH I did actually enjoy Beyond, since at least it is the only one that tried to push something original (instead of remaking Star Trek 2).
 

cwerdna

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I watched the first video at Rare Video Shows Building of STAR TREK: The Experience - Nerdist.

For those that went on the now defunct experience (formerly at the former Las Vegas Hilton), you can see kinda how they did the transporter effect at the beginning. Was a pretty good twist to start off the experience/ride. I went on that at least once or twice and also went on the defunct Voyager “4D” experience that got added later.
 

bradl

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I watched the first video at Rare Video Shows Building of STAR TREK: The Experience - Nerdist.

For those that went on the now defunct experience (formerly at the former Las Vegas Hilton), you can see kinda how they did the transporter effect at the beginning. Was a pretty good twist to start off the experience/ride. I went on that at least once or twice and also went on the defunct Voyager “4D” experience that got added later.

The main ride was great. The closest we have to that one now is Star Tours, at Disneyland, and that's based off of Star Wars... it doesn't really compare. The Experience ride was something special.

That said, thee only thing that tops that one is the behind the scenes tour of the entire exhibit.

And the only thing that topped that was having a wedding at ST: The Experience. They go all out for you, with your choice of dress (24th Century, 23rd Century, or pre-Federation garb), dressing the part, the entire lot. If you wanted a Klingon wedding (for those so bold)... well, you'll definitely get that! Quark's Bar was fun, but the Captain's Ready Room had some of the real sought-after pieces; the only things it didn't have was the actual VISOR LeVar war, and Whoopi's hats; they actually kept those.

If there is any show they need to bring back to Vegas, especially with all of the ST anniversary conventions they do, it has to be that one. ST: The Experience was made for that.

BL.
 

Mousse

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Not sure if this was ever covered but when V'Ger joined with Decker did they create the Borg?
According to Guinan, no.
In one of the Shatnerverse novels this is confirmed.
I don't consider Shatnerverse canon. Guinan stated that the borg have existed for thousands of centuries. (TNG: Q Who?) The Vaadwaur said that the Borg control only a few systems 900 years ago [in the 15th Century] in the Delta Quadrant. (VOY: Dragon's Teeth) TNG is definitely canon. I would grudgingly admit Voyager is canon as well even if [Nerd Rage] they ruined the Borg just like how SW: Attack of the Clones ruined Darth Vader.[/Nerd Rage]
 
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