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After watching that (and the comments praising it) I am even more happy that "old trek" is dead for good.

Yeah sure low budget fanfic but still 2 captains arguing for minutes over who gets to scarify himself while the Klingons are patiently waiting just out of range??

YIKES!
 
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According to Guinan, no.

I don't consider Shatnerverse canon. Guinan stated that the borg have existed for thousands of centuries. (TNG: Q Who?) The Vaadwaur said that the Borg control only a few systems 900 years ago [in the 15th Century] in the Delta Quadrant. (VOY: Dragon's Teeth) TNG is definitely canon. I would grudgingly admit Voyager is canon as well even if [Nerd Rage] they ruined the Borg just like how SW: Attack of the Clones ruined Darth Vader.[/Nerd Rage]
Well alas, Guinan may not be the end all here. After all, Borg was able to go back in time which makes their historic presence even longer.
 

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Something you haven't seen before, or if you have seen it, don't remember seeing it.. either way, it's a rare thing. This Season 6, Episode 1 of Reading Rainbow, titled The Bionic Bunny.

Why this episode outside of the connection with LeVar? Well, this is the episode where he goes on an entire tour of set of ST:TNG, from Makeup, to rehearsals, to special effects, to everything part of making a show. You'll definitely enjoy this... but you don't have to take my word for it. ;)


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Something you haven't seen before, or if you have seen it, don't remember seeing it.. either way, it's a rare thing. This Season 6, Episode 1 of Reading Rainbow, titled The Bionic Bunny.

Why this episode outside of the connection with LeVar? Well, this is the episode where he goes on an entire tour of set of ST:TNG, from Makeup, to rehearsals, to special effects, to everything part of making a show. You'll definitely enjoy this... but you don't have to take my word for it. ;)


BL.

I remember seeing this YEARS ago. Incredible.
 

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The show really took off starting with season 3. I thought it was just the writers and the actors taking two years to get their legs, but now that I've seen the documentary Chaos on the Bridge (on Netflix at the moment), I know it was basically due to severe office conflict at the studio.

If you are a TNG fan it is worth a watch.
It is no longer on Netflix but it's available for free with ads via
. It works in the US but I wonder if it's geo-blocked for people elsewhere.

On the note of Reading Rainbow, some guy in a Trek FB group posted a selfie w/Levar while the guy was wearing https://shirt.woot.com/offers/reading-rambo. And, sorta OT, https://www.etsy.com/listing/238676237/darmok-and-jalad-at-tanagra-front-and would be kind of a cool shirt to have.
 

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I normally don't follow tabloids, especially because tabloids and I have better things to do with my life, but this one caught my eye. From TMZ, via /. :


The 90-year-old actor is slated to be part of the second crew to take the space flight in the New Shepard capsule. That would make him the oldest person ever to be launched into space. We're told Shatner will be on board in October for the 15-minute civilian flight -- similar to the last launch. What we don't know -- BUT WHAT WOULD BE AWESOME -- is if he wears his Capt. Kirk getup. Our sources say the mission will be filmed for a documentary. We're told Shatner's people were talking to Discovery about the special, but that didn't materialize ... but our sources say Shatner and Co. have taken the project elsewhere and are in negotiations.


If he wears his Starfleet uniform, that would be killer. Additionally, he'll join both Doohan and Roddenberry in space.

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Shatner going up on Blue Origin is confirmed now.

Let's hope Shatner returns to Earth safely. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/blue-origin-new-shepard.209587/page-5 was true/funny...
 
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I go through periods where YT recommends various Star Trek videos (I get that it recommends more as I watch more), and i can't help but think that Star Trek Enterprise was something that could have been so good. I know I've already stated this, but I came across a YT "Star Trek Enterprise Season 2 Episode 23 Regeneration" where Archer runs into the borg - really. You had such a blank canvas to paint great epic storylines and all do you bring back the borg? They also relied too heavily on time travel Take the whole Suliban arc as an example.

Just my $.02 as I sift through watching clips of various Star Trek episodes.

One other thought I want to say - DS9 started off slow, but there were more very good/great episodes then there were bad episodes. I have a new appreciation of how good that show really was.
 

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I go through periods where YT recommends various Star Trek videos (I get that it recommends more as I watch more), and i can't help but think that Star Trek Enterprise was something that could have been so good.
Yup. I liked how it started out, with Earth being a protectorate of Vulcan. Humans living under the oppressive smugness of the oh so superior Vulcans.🖖 Gawd, someone finally came out and said what we've been thinking for so long--Vulcans are arrogant pricks. Except for the Leonard Nimoy version only of Spock. The JarJar Abram's version of Spock was an arrogant prick too.
I would have liked at least one Deltan (remember the bald hottie from the Motion Picture?) on the Enterprise crew. A sexy Vulcan? Ugh. No knock against Jolene Blalock, but the premise of a sexy Vulcan.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️
Horrible writing tanked the show. Not even Dr. Samuel Beckett (loved Quantum Leap) or Weyuon, could save the show for me.
One other thought I want to say - DS9 started off slow, but there were more very good/great episodes then there were bad episodes. I have a new appreciation of how good that show really was.
DS9 was great. What I really liked was how they didn't try to rework (ie wreck) great aliens introducted in previous ST series. Look at you ST:D.🤨 The Klingons and Romulans are exactly like the TNG versions. They fleshed out--and IMO vasly improved--the Cardassians, Bajorans and Ferengis🥰...and Trill I guess. And the great writing, every bit as good as the writing in TNG and TOS.
 

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I go through periods where YT recommends various Star Trek videos (I get that it recommends more as I watch more), and i can't help but think that Star Trek Enterprise was something that could have been so good. I know I've already stated this, but I came across a YT "Star Trek Enterprise Season 2 Episode 23 Regeneration" where Archer runs into the borg - really. You had such a blank canvas to paint great epic storylines and all do you bring back the borg? They also relied too heavily on time travel Take the whole Suliban arc as an example.

Just my $.02 as I sift through watching clips of various Star Trek episodes.

One other thought I want to say - DS9 started off slow, but there were more very good/great episodes then there were bad episodes. I have a new appreciation of how good that show really was.

Funny you mention this. I've been getting the same YT suggestions, and like every good Trekkie/Trekker, I took the bait. I just finished seeing the clip of Barclay getting in contact with Voyager, the climax to the pilot of DS9, Legate Damar's Rebellion Speech, Q getting punched by Sisko, and Quark fighting a Klingon to protect Grillka's House in front of Gowron.

The interesting thing to note when you look deeper into the acting behind each of the episodes, is that you can tell the directing style of who is in the director's chair at the time of that show. For a lot of shows that Frakes directed, including ST: First Contact, Frakes has a knack for inserting humor into the scenes. Case in point, when Quark verbally **** slaps a Klingon while answering a challenge:

I am Quark, son of Keldar. I'm here to answer the challenge of D'Gor, son of.... whatever.

Plus it was Frakes that first noticed the eyes of Robert O'Reilly. Because of that and how he made Gowron's eyes so big that the light from the cameras reflected wonderfully off of them, it made for a great time to scare everyone, then bust out laughing after O'Reilly did it:


That - and that O'Reilly turned down being in any of the movies - is why Gowron survived for so long. I mean, with the exception of Worf, and a few from The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country, there haven't been many Klingons who has survived a Star Trek movie.

Burton lent a lot more recent historical events to it: I mean, it was a bold move to put him in command of the USS Challenger, especially if... I can't remember if that episode aired before or after Columbia went down.

What I would love to see is Gates direct an episode. It's no secret that women have had a disadvantage with directing, and it's even happened in her career. I'd love to see her or Roxanne Dawson (B'Lonna Torres) direct a future ST episode.

BL.
 

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A sexy Vulcan? Ugh. No knock against Jolene Blalock, but the premise of a sexy Vulcan.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

As "bridge ornament" she was the best and most plausible (well except Ms Yar maybe...) and managed to be colder&cooler than 7of9.

So yeah, Vulcans do have sex (even if only every 7th year) and they do have emotions (they just handle them) so I don't see any issue.

All in all ENT is my 2nd favorite ST after DS9 (and for the record, Ezri over Jadzia every time :p).
 
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What I would love to see is Gates direct an episode. It's no secret that women have had a disadvantage with directing, and it's even happened in her career. I'd love to see her or Roxanne Dawson (B'Lonna Torres) direct a future ST episode.
From https://www.startrek.com/news/gates-mcfadden-directs-genesis and https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000533/#director, Gates has only directed 1 ep.

Dawson has done a bunch: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roxann_Dawson#Directorial_credits.

On a related note, I watched https://www.ign.com/articles/willia...w-captain-kirk-original-series-movies-4k-uhds awhile ago and I recall liking the 1st 3/4 or so. It was much more focused on Trek vs. Galaxycon Live chats having all sorts of questions that are all over the map, many not Trek-related.
 

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From https://www.startrek.com/news/gates-mcfadden-directs-genesis and https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000533/#director, Gates has only directed 1 ep.

Dawson has done a bunch: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roxann_Dawson#Directorial_credits.

On a related note, I watched https://www.ign.com/articles/willia...w-captain-kirk-original-series-movies-4k-uhds awhile ago and I recall liking the 1st 3/4 or so. It was much more focused on Trek vs. Galaxycon Live chats having all sorts of questions that are all over the map, many not Trek-related.

This is why I brought up that Television Foundation Interview. There is a bigger panel that Whoopi did solo on at the ST Convention in 2015 or 2016, where she goes further into what made her want to come onto the show. But not only that, but they also talked about Ghost, directing, Hollywood Squares, and how she won a bet with the co-hosts of The View at the time where they said that there wouldn't be anyone at all at a ST Convention dressed as Guinan.......

... there were 4 at that panel, while the next year a 5 or 6 year old black girl came dressed as Guinan, holding a knitted/crocheted Guinan doll:

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With that, I have 3 words... **** Baby Yoda. 😂 😂

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And going even further into those Television Foundation interviews.. well, I knew that Lucille Ball took a gamble on Star Trek, especially with being as much of a pioneer as she was (she started the entire concept of IP, rights for IP, let alone the concept of reruns, and OMG, an entire business owned by a woman in the 1950s/1960s!), but you know it says a lot when Nichols had quit... to only be talked out of quitting and withdrawing her resignation by MLK.


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From https://trekmovie.com/2021/10/26/th...ries-to-debut-on-history-channel-in-november/
The History Channel is celebrating the 55th year of Star Trek with the new ten-part documentary series called The Center Seat: 55 Years of Star Trek. And today they announced the series will debut on November 5 at 10 pm (ET/PT) on the History Channel. The first four episodes will air on the History Channel each Friday at 10 pm, with the six additional episodes also available on History Vault, the network’s subscription video service.

Narrated by Star Trek: The Next Generation’s Gates McFadden, each episode focuses on a different chapter in Star Trek history, starting with its inception at Lucille Ball’s legendary production company Desilu to the more recent film and television adaptations. The series will also delve deep into Star Trek lore, including The Animated Series and the never-produced 1970s Phase II project. According to History, The Center Seat will offer “The definitive in-depth journey honors the creative pioneers in sci-fi excellency and shares the impactful, sometimes risky, decisions behind pivotal moments in television history and how they ultimately made it to the small screen.”
 
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I wonder how in-depth they do with this. I mean, I wasn't born when TOS ran, but I'd love to see interviews from the crew filming Kirk/Uhura kiss scene outside of the nervousness Shatner and Nichols had already talked about, because you knew it took a huge set of proverbial balls for Roddenberry to do that and for Lucille to green light that, especially in the 60s when it was still taboo for couples to sleep in the same bed together. I mean, Loving v. Virginia wasn't decided at SCOTUS until a year to 18 months after that episode was shot!

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I wonder how in-depth they do with this. I mean, I wasn't born when TOS ran, but I'd love to see interviews from the crew filming Kirk/Uhura kiss scene outside of the nervousness Shatner and Nichols had already talked about, because you knew it took a huge set of proverbial balls for Roddenberry to do that and for Lucille to green light that, especially in the 60s when it was still taboo for couples to sleep in the same bed together. I mean, Loving v. Virginia wasn't decided at SCOTUS until a year to 18 months after that episode was shot!

BL.
I watched part 1 last night. It was ok. Some of the info I already knew. I didn't know about the funding situation early on and some of the Lucille Ball backstory nor did I know where the name Desilu came from.

Oddly, if I Google for center seat episodes, it lists 8 eps so far, eps 1 thru 6 "aired" on Nov 5th and the one that was on History Channel "Lucy Loves Trek" (E06?) being the ep that aired last night. Weird. It also points to a service Philo that I never heard of that I guess has those eps already?
 
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