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decafjava

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Looks like Picard is getting good, wish I had a way to watch it here aynone know what services in Europe get it?
 

Janichsan

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Looks like Picard is getting good, wish I had a way to watch it here aynone know what services in Europe get it?
Seasons 1 and 2 are still on Amazon Prime in (all of?/most of?) Europe. Whether or not season 3 will be available there, or whether the show moves to Paramount+ remains to be seen.
 

Mainsail

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I think STE gets a bit of a bad rap. I enjoyed the cast. The doctor (John Billingsly) was particularly good. In my opinion, T'Pol (Joelene Blalock) is the sexiest character in the franchise, and she brought an interesting view into the Vulcan outsider serving on the first starship for a newly emerging warp capable earth. The constant tension between these two cultures in the early years of interstellar space travel was fun to watch.
Also, STE had good episodes about interplanetary cultural differences. The "Cogenarator" episode was particularly good.
 
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phrehdd

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I think STE gets a bit of a bad rap. I enjoyed the cast. The doctor (John Billingsly) was particularly good. In my opinion, T'Pol (Joelene Blalock) is the sexiest character in the franchise, and she brought an interesting view into the Vulcan outsider serving on the first starship for a newly emerging warp capable earth. The constant tension between these two cultures in the early years of interstellar space travel was fun to watch.
Also, STE had good episodes about interplanetary cultural differences. The "Cogenarator" episode was particularly good.
I agree, STE didn't get the love the other shows got and by the time it started to get some wind behind the sails, the show was sloppily ended. Every S.T. show has its great moments and for some, cringeworthy moments. STE was no different and in some respect was a far more difficult show to do. It had to respect what is S.T. yet it was at a time that helped shaped those ideas. That certainly is a challenge. I do believe that the alternate universe storyline was well done and respectful of the original S.T. episode. I particularly liked the opening sequence (theme song and all) used for that episode. The other universe was flushed in very nicely in such a short time and it might have been interesting to have continued that storyline as either another "mini-series" or weave it into the STE series.
 

cwerdna

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was awesome! It's only a bit over 2 minutes long. Someone at work posted it saying "For those who appreciate the campiness of TAS."

I watched some of TAS when I was a kid. I need to watch/re-watch all the eps someday...
 

phrehdd

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DarthVader!

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2 good seasons followed by - ... insert unkind comment here.

I was unable to put my finger on why I'm not liking the recent Star Treks and then I came across what Gene Roddenberry said about TOS and the YT below

When Gene Roddenberry Explained ‘Star Trek’ in 1966
Star Trek aims to match the action-adventure of the best television westerns, the suspense-mystery of the finest detective tales. Authenticity and believability are maintained with the help of cooperative space scientists and technical advisors. As such, Star Trek may become the first fully believable space adventure. At the least, it is probably the most ambitious and difficult project of its type ever attempted.

This YT really touches on a few topics that turned me off of the latest offerings from the franchise.

about 2 minutes into the video, Jeri Ryan mentions how Star Trek is successful, because it offers an optimistic view of the future. Sadly, its the polar opposite now.
 

phrehdd

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I was unable to put my finger on why I'm not liking the recent Star Treks and then I came across what Gene Roddenberry said about TOS and the YT below

When Gene Roddenberry Explained ‘Star Trek’ in 1966


This YT really touches on a few topics that turned me off of the latest offerings from the franchise.

about 2 minutes into the video, Jeri Ryan mentions how Star Trek is successful, because it offers an optimistic view of the future. Sadly, its the polar opposite now.
Agreed. For me, Discovery created some challenges. First was every timeline (show) before the leap 900 years was for nothing. Who ever came up with the idea of an alien kid playing with matches and burning down the store (okay, wiping out the dilithium crystals) made everything before in terms of the Federation worthless. Then jump into the future where all those things that make for S.T. are contaminated with today's politics in a sledgehammer approach.
 
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cwerdna

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PR machine is in gear. I watched
.

Am in the middle of watching
(significantly longer), but it seems the above video is embedded in this longer video.

Unfortunately, these might be geo-restricted for those who are in countries where there's no Paramount+.
 

cwerdna

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Seems like a media embargo has been lifted. Some members of the media have been given access to the first few eps or the first half of S1.

So far, reactions seem mixed.

https://www.ign.com/videos/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-series-premiere-review has some spoilers about ep 1 and gave a 9/10 at the end.
I'm still reading https://trekmovie.com/2022/04/30/early-review-the-future-look
 

VictorTango777

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It amazes me when people go on forums to complain about when Star Trek comments on current events or social issues. Hasn't Star Trek been doing this since Gene Roddenberry created it over 50 years ago? Do those forum complainers think they are saying anything we don't already know?
 
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Janichsan

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It amazes me when people go on forums to complain about when Star Trek comments on current events or social issues. Hasn't Star Trek been doing this since Gene Roddenberry created it over 50 years ago? Do those forum complainers think they are saying anything we don't already know?
Yeah, that continues to baffle me as well. Have these people really watched Star Trek in the past? Have they decided to selectively ignore all the politcial and societal issues the various shows touched upon?
 
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GlenK

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I'm looking forward to Strange New Worlds!! I'm old and was 14 when TOS premiered and it's always been my favorite. I do like the episodic series better too and hope they use the original theme music!! Still love it and really think Star Trek the second I hear it!!!
 
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bradl

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It amazes me when people go on forums to complain about when Star Trek comments on current events or social issues. Hasn't Star Trek been doing this since Gene Roddenberry created it over 50 years ago? Do those forum complainers think they are saying anything we don't already know?

The amazingly sad, cynical, funny, and enlightening thing:

When you're young, you watch Star Trek for the sci-fi and adventure of seeing what the future may be...

When you're older, you watch Star Trek for the social commentary, and shake your head in amazement at how the social commentary still applies 10-60 years after the episode aired, and shake your head again in amazement in the fact that issues today were addressed by aforementioned social commentary 10-60 years prior.

BL.
 

Janichsan

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It amazes me when people go on forums to complain about when Star Trek comments on current events or social issues. Hasn't Star Trek been doing this since Gene Roddenberry created it over 50 years ago? Do those forum complainers think they are saying anything we don't already know?
In that context:
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phrehdd

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In that context:
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There are different ways to portray social events of the day. However, the choices being made are less about struggles and challenges and more about agenda. Various shows these days have, as an example, gay characters and couples, leads that are women and minorities and all do well when it is fully bypassed and no additional attention is required. Audiences tend to be accepting. Whether it is teen shows like Glee or Teen Wolf that have introduced gay characters and those that experiment with more serious shows with the same, the characters are simply there and woven in. There is no bullhorn message being made. Star Trek shows have done some nice work with this as well in the past. The departure comes with shows like Discovery which is far more agenda-driven. Agenda driven is not the same as sharing today's challenges in tomorrow's world or simply raising questions of morals and ethics or even philosophic nature. I am btw, not the only one who feels that way about in particular, the latest season of Discovery making its statement.
 
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Rafterman

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There are different ways to portray social events of the day. However, the choices being made are less about struggles and challenges and more about agenda. Various shows these days have, as an example, gay characters and couples, leads that are women and minorities and all do well when it is fully bypassed and no additional attention is required. Audiences tend to be accepting. Whether it is teen shows like Glee or Teen Wolf that have introduced gay characters and those that experiment with more serious shows with the same, the characters are simply there and woven in. There is no bullhorn message being made. Star Trek shows have done some nice work with this as well in the past. The departure comes with shows like Discovery which is far more agenda-driven. Agenda driven is not the same as sharing today's challenges in tomorrow's world or simply raising questions of morals and ethics or even philosophic nature. I am btw, not the only one who feels that way about in particular, the latest season of Discovery making its statement.

1966 Star Trek had to walk a fine line. They were about social issues, but they couldn't be too loud about it. The famous Kirk/Uhura kiss couldn't be just a kiss, it had to look like aliens were forcing them to do it. And many southern towns refused to air thst episode.

Today's ST isn't about agenda, it just can be more agressive in portraying its social issues. If you want to call it "agenda," fine. But its an effort to fight an agenda that is going pn now in many states where you can't even talk about "gay" in schools and transgender bans are popping up everywhere. New ST is just responding to the times in equal force.
 
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