My son is trying to convince me that Deep Space Nine is worthy and he is a big TNG fan. 🤔
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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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I just wanted to know if this first episode was on YouTube or YouTubeTV? I reread the link and it says: available for free on the official Paramount+ YouTube channel. Well before YouTube TV, regular old YouTube had people’s and organizations channels. I guess I’ll have to go look, but what I really want is to watch it on my TV, not my computer.
Update: Found it here:
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I agree. Character development takes some time. It took a number of episodes to really appreciate the character of McCoy, Spock, Scottie, and Kirk…..i.e. the joisting between Spock and the Doctor.
One of my favorite series of all times is Parks and Recreation. It took almost the entire first season to really appreciate the characters. Also, I believe the writers slowly changed things as they learned what worked and what did not.
DS9 - my favorite. But, and I hate to say it, but I'm loving Lower Decks too. SNW looks promising too, going back to episodic TV instead of long story arcs.
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I'm liking SNW more than I like Discovery and Picard right now. I also already like this cast. I'm getting the same vibes for SNW as I am with Lower Decks and Prodigy and that's a good thing so far.
I just finished episode 2 of Strange Worlds and it was better than the first, not that the first episode was bad. The show has very good potential.
I liked Picard's second season better than the first. Bringing Seven in and fleshing her character out more beyond Voyager has worked well.
I second that. DS9 is fantastic. Great writing, both plot and dialogue. It is a bit heavy handed with PRSI--especially religion and social issue--not subtle like TOS or TNG.
What I like most about DS9 is that our heroes aren't white hat good guys and the bad guys aren't moustache twirling evil. They're every shade of grey, some good guys are pure evil (Garak) and some bad guys are magnanimous (a few Jem'hadar).
And they didn't screw up any of the canon species like how Discovery messed with the Klingons or Voyager nerfed the Borg. They fixed the Ferengi and changed the Trill. But then the TNG Trill weren't interesting.
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Sisko was the man! The only captain who was a family man. But you are right about them not being perfect. Sisko poisoned a planet to get at Eddington and trricked the Romulans into war. In the Pale Moonlight is one of the best Treks ever. Sisko even punched Q out, LOL.
I've either never been a subscriber to YouTube TV or if I have, it was only for a limited time trial.
As for wanting to watch on YouTube content on your TV, you can easily do that. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7640706 may help. I personally have numerous devices on which I can do that, some via casting (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Second_generation, a Roku 3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast#Chromecast_with_Google_TV) and although I don't use my Apple TV 4K much, I can use their app: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6094411?hl=en.
If I need to do this, I tend to cast it to my Chromecast.
I noticed you earlier asked "so I wonder what I’ll see if I look for a YouTube app on my TV?" Yes, you could probably find it via that. Also, you may be able to cast YouTube videos from your computer or mobile device to your TV.
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DS9 had some good things and some challenges. Having a fixed location was a particular problem as compared to the other ST shows but they managed to do major storylines on two planets along with enemies on the other side of the wormhole and go back to spacecraft to flush in what was missing.
It is all subjective but I was not a fan of Sisko or AB's influence on him. Then again, Picard was not a favourite either.
I didn't care for his over sensitivity to skin colour (given this is a distant future era) as other shows including STNG were able to get past it many times and include episodes where skin colour would have made a difference at some level. If someone brings up Kirk/Uhura kiss, it was controversial in our times and not their times. Sisko leading a fleet was pathetic. Let's recall he was not a captain when he came to DS9, before DS9 he was on a ship that was destroyed and there are zero reasons he should lead a fleet of any sort from a military standpoint. This was just silly.
The show had many interesting episodes and for us who were around for the original, the integration of the tribble episode into a DS9 episode was done with good writing, edits and more.
So with all my crits, did I watch the show, of course, I did. Finding things to like and dislike is not unusual with ST shows.
Oh good God, first gender, now race?
You clearly hate the concept of Star Trek, so why do you bother?
Yawn. You clearly monopolize the forum. It would be to your advantage to simply ignore my comments.
I'm an old trekkie. I watched TOS as a kid on a small black and white TV late at night in the early 90s. Then got into TNG. I watched DS9 and VOY live on TV when they were released. TNG is probably my favorite with DS9 close behind. I liked VOY too.
Never watched Enterprise until recently. The new Star Trek movies were eh, ok - they struck me as Marvel movies - non-stop action and very little storyline. Would love some timeline continuance after DS9 - really tired of this "universe" carp.... They were cool but that's bout it.
When Discovery came out - this is my opinion only but ... after watching the first few episodes it did not feel like Trek at all. It was like a director did a sci-fi movie and slapped Star Trek on it. Picard did not even feel like Star Trek.
I couldn't watch Discovery past the first few episodes. I did watch all of Picard (except the most recent one with Q - waiting to watch that till later). For me, Discovery isn't Star Trek - have to agree with phrehdd on a point here - it tries too hard to push an agenda and whoever directed that didn't even try to make it "Star Trek". And, I'm someone who loves DS9... Picard was a mess and the billions of identical ships at the end just ... al;sdkfj;lasdkfj. While it was nice to see some of the TNG actors, it hurt to watch as a trekkie.
The Orville is far more Star Trek than everything produced recently combined. A Trekkie might notice a lot of Star Trek actors in Orville as well. I see Orville as "real life" Star Trek in a way.
What's missing in today's Trek? Roddenberry's optimism and belief that we as humans can do good if we try. Are we perfect? No, but we try and do our best. Also there is a serious (intentional?) lack of adherence to Star Trek lore.
Discovery actually made me start watching Enterprise (only on the first 5 episodes). It is extremely refreshing to see Enterprise (for the first time mind you) - a show actually adhering to Star Trek lore and what makes Star Trek - Star Trek. I will continue to watch this when I have time.
I'm told Lower Decks is pretty good after a rocky first season - that's on my to do list too.
Never watched Enterprise until recently. The new Star Trek movies were eh, ok - they struck me as Marvel movies - non-stop action and very little storyline. Would love some timeline continuance after DS9 - really tired of this "universe" carp.... They were cool but that's bout it.
When Discovery came out - this is my opinion only but ... after watching the first few episodes it did not feel like Trek at all. It was like a director did a sci-fi movie and slapped Star Trek on it. Picard did not even feel like Star Trek.
I couldn't watch Discovery past the first few episodes. I did watch all of Picard (except the most recent one with Q - waiting to watch that till later). For me, Discovery isn't Star Trek - have to agree with phrehdd on a point here - it tries too hard to push an agenda and whoever directed that didn't even try to make it "Star Trek". And, I'm someone who loves DS9... Picard was a mess and the billions of identical ships at the end just ... al;sdkfj;lasdkfj. While it was nice to see some of the TNG actors, it hurt to watch as a trekkie.
The Orville is far more Star Trek than everything produced recently combined. A Trekkie might notice a lot of Star Trek actors in Orville as well. I see Orville as "real life" Star Trek in a way.
What's missing in today's Trek? Roddenberry's optimism and belief that we as humans can do good if we try. Are we perfect? No, but we try and do our best. Also there is a serious (intentional?) lack of adherence to Star Trek lore.
Discovery actually made me start watching Enterprise (only on the first 5 episodes). It is extremely refreshing to see Enterprise (for the first time mind you) - a show actually adhering to Star Trek lore and what makes Star Trek - Star Trek. I will continue to watch this when I have time.
I'm told Lower Decks is pretty good after a rocky first season - that's on my to do list too.
Monopolize the forum? Are we are on pitch counts?
Silly me, thinking forums were for discussion and not just confirmation bias. You are right, I will just ignore you from now on.
Strange New Worlds is pretty old school so far. Lower Decks is good too.
I like Orville, but the fact it is trying to be like ST is not necessarily a good thing. Babylon 5 and DS9 came out at the same time, but Bab 5 never tried to be ST, and that's good. I think Orville needed to do its own thing, though now its a bit late as this third season will be its last.
Like I said, a bit heavy handed with the social issues. Overall though, I rather liked Sisko. Unlike the other captains who got to play hero, then ride off into the sunset, Sisko had to live with the consequences of his actions. He did things that other captains would have found morally and ethically reprehensible: turned a blind eye to assassinations, used WMDs and such. But he did it for the greater good; the very embodiment of Spock's words in Wrath of Khan, "The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few... or the one."
Right. Let's not forget he comes from an engineering background, not security/tactical background. He was the chief designer of the Defiant class.
BTW, not sure why it was so difficult to find. If you clicked on the link in post 1052 (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...n.2012731/page-43?post=31093645#post-31093645), the YouTube video of SNW S1 E1 was embedded on that page.
You should be able to from the iOS/iPadOS YouTube app to any target that shows up when you tap the "cast" icon.
And Janeway was a blue shirt science officer. So it doesn't really matter. Captains don't have to start out in the command division. Sisko was commander of the key oupost in the sector and had experience dealing with the Dominion. That's why he was put in charge of part of the fleet.
Most of Sisko's tactics involved head on attack (the Leroy Jenkins tactics of RPG), relying upon the superior maneuverability and shielding of the Defiant to win the day. No attack pattern Delta/Lambda/Greek letter of the week, just intercept course, guns blazing. What sane captain would pit a single ship against over 2400 Dominion warships (Sacrifices of Angels)? If not for the intervention of the wormhole alien (plot shield), Defiant would have been space dust. He isn't a skilled tactician in my book.
OTOH, Picard is a brilliant military tactician. Attack Pattern Alpha through Omega, he trained his crew the entire playbook and came up with a few not in the playbook: the Picard Maneuver. On the flipside, Picard would have made a horrible military governor, too holier than thou, too morally upstanding, too view the plebs from his ivory tower.
Sisko was a great military governor. He won the hearts and mind of the Bajorian people to the point Starfleet Command would over look certain actions that brought disgrace and dishonor to the uniform. ie. used WMD(For the Uniform), cover up the assassination of a Romulan senator (In the Pale Moonlight) and a planentary leader (Business as Usual). Sisko does what is needed to grease the gears, no matter how unsavory. He shields his lackeys from flack from above, since he takes responsibility for his mistakes and the mistakes of his underlings. I would crawl over broken glass with my fly unzipped for a leader like Ben Sisko.
To understand Sisko is to understand that he doesn't have the luxury of riding off into the sunset. He can't just come in, defeat the Big Bad and leave. Who cares if the rest of the petty warlords vie for power without Big Bad to keep them cowed. That's not important to Kirk or Picard. Khan would never had taken over the USS Reliant (Wrath of Khan) if Kirk had taken responsibility and checked up on Ceti Alpha V from time to time.🤨
What sane captain would take a 3000 ton destroyer and charge at a 70,000 ton Japanese battleship, as occurred in real life in the battle of Samar. See USS Johnston, charging at the IJN Yamato to give US escort carriers covering the invasion of the Phillipines a chance to withdraw from the oncoming Japanese battle fleet.
Military history is full of hopeless charges.
Plus...Star Trek is made up, they can have the hero do whatever they want. Narratively, it set up the bargain Sisko made with the Founders.