Riiiiiiight it's just looks exactly like a Surface Pro. .....functions like Surface pro. ....has a keyboard almost like a surface Pro......has a pen just like a Surface Pro. Apple didn't make the IPP until after the Surface Pro was successful and iPad sales stagnated. But yep....apple's not trying to emulate the Surface Pro at all...... heck they even called it the iPad PRO. If it was just a larger tablet why not iPad Plus? It is clear to everyone that the IPP is apples attempt at a hybrid like the Surface Pro
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Surface Pro 4 vs iPad Pro and the future of pro tablets
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So because Apple disagreed with the concept of hybrids means the Ipad Pro is not a hybrid?
I also remember Apple disagreed with the concept of a Stylus and larger screen phones. What are you going to tell me...it is a pencil and the phones are not larger, it is just my imagination?
"Definition of:hybrid laptop. hybrid laptop. A combination tablet and laptop computer. Also called a "detachable" or "2-in-1," the hybrid has a removable screen that turns into a tablet when separated. "
"Definition of: tablet computer. A computer that accepts input directly onto an LCD screen rather than via a keyboard or mouse."
Seems like a hybrid to me. Once a keyboard was made by the same Company specifically to be used by the "tablet" that makes it a hybrid imo. Apple can deny as much as they want that it is not a hybrid. It is.
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Well, based on those definitions, I'd say neither are hybrids but rather tablets, further reinforced by the fact that neither include keyboards but are rather optional accessories. I'd consider devices like the Surface Book, Asus Transformers, or Lenovo Yoga models as tour hybrids.
Regardless of the their defined classifications, both occupy overlapping segments, if not the same target customer. Specifically, I'd wager that anyone considering puchasing one will at least take a look at the viability of the other. I think the SP4 skews more to the traditional productivity side of the argument, more so than th iPP but that is bound to change IF developers find the iPP a viable tool for more robust productivity tools.
And on a related note, look what I broke down and decided to buy today.
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Well, based on those definitions, I'd say neither are hybrids but rather tablets, further reinforced by the fact that neither include keyboards but are rather optional accessories. I'd consider devices like the Surface Book, Asus Transformers, or Lenovo Yoga models as tour hybrids.
Regardless of the their defined classifications, both occupy overlapping segments, if not the same target customer. Specifically, I'd wager that anyone considering puchasing one will at least take a look at the viability of the other. I think the SP4 skews more to the traditional productivity side of the argument, more so than th iPP but that is bound to change IF developers find the iPP a viable tool for more robust productivity tools.
And on a related note, look what I broke down and decided to buy today.
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Well then is either a person agree both the IPP and SP4 are tablets or they agree that they both are hybrids. One can not be a tablet and the other a hybrid imo. So if you think both are tablets then that is perfectly fine to me.
Nice! Haha, not sure if you already post what you will be using it for. However, did you get it for media consumption or productivity?.....Or you just have to get new tech to satisfy your "tech tooth"?
Wow, what a rock did you climb out from under in last year? Apple has been using the term Pro about 10 years before Microsoft used it. You had the MacBook, and you had the MacBook Pro. So Apple are not defined by Microsoft use of the term Pro, Apple can use Pro for whatever the hell they want to.
It doesn't look like a surface, it's a 13" iPad. If the iPad pro looks like Surface then the surface looks like an iPad 10". What a dumb statement. By your definition the iPhone looks like a surface.
Apples use of the stylus is vastly different to Microsoft. Microsoft include stylus integration as a replacement for keyboard. Apple do not include stylus integration as a replacement for keyboard because it's never intended to be used for anything other than artistic work. If you had both devices, you would understand this.
The iPads have had keyboards for years, long before they appeared on the Surface. You could even pair the Bluetooth keyboard which is a full desktop keyboard. The keyboard doesn't make it a hybrid.
Well then is either a person agree both the IPP and SP4 are tablets or they agree that they both are hybrids. One can not be a tablet and the other a hybrid imo. So if you think both are tablets then that is perfectly fine to me.
Nice! Haha, not sure if you already post what you will be using it for. However, did you get it for media consumption or productivity?.....Or you just have to get new tech to satisfy your "tech tooth"?
Regarding your question in bold.....Yes.
The stylus is to replace the mouse, not the keyboard. It has an on screen keyboard but you need a pointing device really to use Windows. So you use the trackpad or stylus.
And so far as I know Apple has never made it's own keyboard add on for it's tablets until now for the Pro, that's the difference.
So do you consider the SP4 to be a tablet?
iPads have had keyboard for years but Apple did not make any specifically for the iPad as far as I can remember. That is the difference.
EDIT: Really? the iPad Pro does not look like the SP4? Tell me what are the big differences in looks because I can't see it.
The iPad first gen had keyboard cases released in 2011 that looked the same. So the Surface actually looks like a gen 1 iPad but is really a laptop.
And on the naming Pro, Microsoft call the one device a Surface "pro" and the more powerful device a Surface Book. Surely the higher spec professional should get Pro. Oh, wait. No. The reason is because the call the device the pro because it's more powerful than the surface, not because it's professional (like Apple), or the Surface Book would be called the Surface Book Pro.
C'mon buddy stop drinking the kool aid.....the iPad Pro is the first ipad to don the "pro" moniker........ Don't be that way...it's hard to have a decent conversation with you if are going to play it that way.
This is the first ipad and keyboard and stylus bundle Apple has ever put together and made by Apple. Sure third party products existed but not made by Apple and bundled into one product then labeled "Pro". They demonstrated them altogether at the keynote that way.
Stop being rude and calling people dumb....posters get banned for that. So grow up!
The Surface Pro 3 has an entrance level model which is an i3 with 32GB of usable space. Can you tell me how that is any more pro? The only thing you could do with that is run Office and there would be barely enough space for that, not to mention the fact that it would run slow.
I'm trying to be clear here. You are complaining because the iPad Pro doesn't fit your bill as a Surface Pro competitor and what I am trying to make clear is that it was never intended to be one. You can call it drinking the cool aid, but it's a creative device, not a laptop. Apple said (on many occasions) they don't believe the two can be combined together successfully (for now) so they will not make a hybrid. Therefore, they have laptops, and they have tablets. The Surface Pro is a laptop with tablet capability and it's a poor tablet. The iPad Pro is only a tablet. It's labelled Pro because its a larger more powerful version of the iPad. People see the stylus as a generic business tool like the Surface when it is also aimed purely at creatives.
You are complaining because it has the pro moniker which seems to align to the Surface and I'm saying Apple used the Pro moniker long before Microsoft even sold computers. So that fact that it doesn't align has nothing to do with Apple, it has to do with your expectations. Look at Apple's iPad Pro page. Where does it say that its aimed as a laptop replacement? It starts off with exactly what I have been trying to point out (that its an artistic tool). It has terms like "A canvas for your ideas" and "It lets you be more creative". There is nothing about it replacing a laptop. On the Microsoft site, they call it "The tablet that can replace a laptop". Very different.
As for the first keyboard, there are plenty of things Apple hasn't done before that were previously done by third parties. The iPhone battery pack was released this year. I think it looks crap but it doesn't change their strategy just because they release an accessory that was previously supplied by third parties. That said, the Apple keyboard could be paired via bluetooth with gen 1, so I don't get why suddenly its a major thing they have a keyboard. It's something they should have had years ago.
Apple has a history of not doing things until they can do them properly. So if they don't believe they can make a hybrid without it being a bad tablet, they won't make it until they can. The first iPhones didn't have copy and paste for that exact reason. Apple was open about wanting to do it right so they held of, and the cut and paste was a whole heap better than what Google had developed at the time. The challenge with hybrids is if you get it wrong, its a big wrong, because it's a strategy of merging OS's that you can't undo. So you can't just do it one way and then change your mind. Thats what happened with Windows 8.1. It was a mess and Microsoft lost a lot of credibility.
Actually they did. The first iPad had the iPad Keyboard Dock. Though it fitted in portrait rather than landscape. After Apple rejigged the key mapping on the wireless Bluetooth keyboard (changing some function key icons) they basically offered the Bluetooth wireless keyboard as their official keyboard for OS X and iOS. So technically Apple have been making iPad keyboards since the first iPad.
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I do, its a tablet they can replace or function as a laptop replacement. I use my SP3 all the time, instead of my MBP, so for me, that's what it does (replace a laptop)
To be fair. The "tablet" portion of the surface pro still needs a lot of work. Especially in the apps department.
(In my opnion). When I am in tablet mode, I really just want to consume content (watch or browse). Sure they have added watch ESPN, watch Disney and a few more apps. But Windows 10 apps pale in comparison to iOS apps.
Of course one can argue I can just go to hbogo.com in desktop mode and watch HBO. But when I am in tablet mode. I just want to touch and app and view HBO.
Nothing is perfect. But overall the surface pro models is a big step in the right direction with convergence of tablet and desktop.
That's not pro, and maybe for that exact reason Microsoft isn't calling it a pro. That device is a variant of the Surface 3 line (no pro here), and even in that line it's a special budget version for schools.
Actually they did. The first iPad had the iPad Keyboard Dock. Though it fitted in portrait rather than landscape. After Apple rejigged the key mapping on the wireless Bluetooth keyboard (changing some function key icons) they basically offered the Bluetooth wireless keyboard as their official keyboard for OS X and iOS. So technically Apple have been making iPad keyboards since the first iPad.
That's a nice piece of kit, metal and everything
I forgot about it.I should post an answer to this threads question, having tried the iPad Pro I think the future is a bright one for these devices. Like I said I was surprisingly taken aback with it, I think many others would be too. The big screen brought iOS to life I feel.
If the apps arrive to the device to utilise it's extra power then it will be a good Pro device, the stylus add on though will make it very good for arty types as I said.
If it works better than the Wacom tablets when synced with a computer then it's another bonus as it's a drawing tablet that runs iOS.
You were saying?
That's a 64GB version and such a version exists for the pro, although such storage is rather low for a pro level machine. I thought you were referring to this one: http://www.windowscentral.com/micro...urface-3-just-schools-offers-them-10-discount
Most of the workstations at my workplace don't use more than 64gb, documents are stored server side with no offline access. Some businesses could probably use that model
But how good is it as a tablet? Having a laptop with no keyboard doesn't make it a tablet anymore than have a tablet with a fixed keyboard makes it a laptop.
If you look at the specs, it only has 32GB of usable space which is why I said usable space, not capacity.
32GB for a pro machine is nothing. Which is why I say even on a Microsoft level, the term is not used to designate a pro device, but more to a device that is a step up from a lower level model. Everyone looks at the term pro and assumes its a designation for professional usage when its simply a reference to being more than the Surface base level non-pro model.
But isn't that exactly the point of this thread. People have been talking about the Pro moniker as the designation for professional work. Most of the MS people compare it for full blown desktop apps like Lightroom and Photoshop and you would barely have enough room to install those with Office, never mind carry a local lightroom catalogue on the machine.
Many businesses don't need the Adobe suite at all. We suffice with reader and a few machines with acrobat. I would argue most businesses don't use the Adobe creative suites.
We would have to cater towards implementing the ipad pro while the surface would just integrate with our systems out of the box.
All Surface devices have micro SD slot and can expand with 200GB and soon to be larger card that you can use for file storage and installing software on. The 64GB model is a low cost option for customers that live in the cloud with Office Online or Google Docs. Plus, right now the SP3 i3 128GB is $599 or $499 with edu discount so it's a non-issue and also cheaper than the toy $929 iPP 128GB or even $679 iPad Air 2 128GB.
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And a very poor one at that, simply running the same ol' limited iOS found in an iPhone just on a much larger display. I nearly got the iPad Pro until I had both it and a Surface side by side, the iPad Pro felt like a glorified iPhone, the Surface on the other hand is a whole other beast, truly made for bringing your desktop needs mobile, I just can't even compare them. I can't even compare the iPad Pro to my Galaxy Note 4 phone as the iPad still has a lot missing.