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Surface Pro 4 vs iPad Pro and the future of pro tablets
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I swear this device has a list of never ending bugs....wow. No offense but no device should have been released with that many bugs even if Microsoft tries to fix them. On Reddit, I see so many complaints about the surface pro 4 which made me give up on buying one...maybe wait to surface pro 5 but seems like I may prefer the iPad pro 2 at the end of next year.
hahahah he had you....
For a brief while
Claims like that would've been easy to dismiss a couple of years ago as very un-Apple-like, but nowadays with the company having launched e.g. the knocked-up battery case it warrants a double-check before you can be sure For a brief while
Hehe that is very true. If you watch an iPad Pro teardown you'll see the inside is very very nicely laid out, using tons of glue and sticky tape of course, but screws too, the layout of everything is so neat and tidy and typical Apple.
I was telling a friend at work today how I was impressed with the Pro, but that price...
Hmm iPhone 6S, 6th gen iPod Touch, Sony Z3 8" Xperia tablet, and an iPad Pro, hmm but I'll need a new Mac too.
[ edit: sorry, noticed that the iPad keyboard was already mentioned ]
As for the whole "Superman vs. Tarzan" squabble (aka Surface Pro 4 vs. iPad Pro) it comes down to most people getting hung up on the "Pro" in the names as if there was some agreed upon definition and consistency.
IMO, the better name would've been iPad+ rather than iPad Pro. But again, my opinion, Apple named it "Pro" as a way to stop speculation of another tablet BEYOND the current Pro that would be more of a hybrid. Calling it iPad+ still leaves room for a Pro. But call it "Pro" and that's it... unless they call such a hybrid the "iPad Pro Super Deluxe"
I've said it before, my Surface 2 (Windows RT version) is more "Pro" for business than the iPad Pro is. That had some heads spinning. On a Windows-centric forum some of the regulars called the iPad Pro the "iPad RT". I said it was an insult to the Surface RT/2.
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I ditched my Surface 3 to go to the Surface Pro 4 M3 model, I ditched the 3 because I got a good deal on the 4 and was within my return period. As for the iPad Pro, it's an outdated device as it is to me. Why would I want to have an oversized iPad, especially with the software it uses? I got rid of my iPad in the process for the Surface. Apple is better off making OS X more portable like the Surface because more people choose that over the iPad Pro devices. iOS is nice and all, but not for productivity at that price point. A device that barely does two apps at once? The Surface 3 is a better device than the iPad Pro imo.
Can you show me how you can tether your Surface Pro 4 to a desktop and use it as a Wacom tablet?
Because currently the Surface Pro 4 can't do it.
I can do it with my IPad Pro which now removes the requirement for my Wacom Cintiq which costs the same as the iPad but isn't as portable.
The iPad Pro will do 3 apps at once. It has a more powerful graphics card than the SP3 and SP4.
Just purchased me a ipad pro LTE after careful consideration although I profoundly supported the iPad air 2 and it's uses but my galaxy tab S2 took over in that department
most people dont need a wacom cintiq
(usb host support, as one example, would be more useful for vast majority of people) You seem to be a creative type, which is who the ipad pro was specifically created for (along with those who just want a bigger more powerful ipad). The surface is for everybody else
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In fairness based on sales numbers (pc's sold & tablet sales) 'most people' don't want (or at least end up buying) neither a surface pro 4 or iPad promost people dont need a wacom cintiq
No, but I don't care about that, nor do most consumers. The SP3 and SP4 run x86. If you're paying upwards of $799-$1,079 for a product running iOS as the main OS, you're severely getting Apple taxed. The SP4 has the same processor as a MB 2015, minus the extra RAM. Idk if the iPad Pro has a higher graphics card or not because I don't care about graphics too much because that's not my niche. X86 is infinitely more useful productivity than iOS. Cool, you can run three apps at once. Neat, my SP4 can more than at once. The iPad Pro is a POS and too niched based and will not work well with better alternatives out there.
In fairness based on sales numbers (pc's sold & tablet sales) 'most people' don't want (or at least end up buying) neither a surface pro 4 or iPad pro
The S3 is a great device, but I got a good enough deal to make the SP4 worth it. The S3 has full fledged windows and can run the bulk of the programs people use on a regular basis. Ditching RT was the best thing Windows did. With my old S3 deal, I got it w/ 4GB of RAM, 128GB storage for $540 with the keyboard included. That beats owning an iPad Pro any day of the week.
Btw, Microsoft beats Apple with Biometrics. Optional FP scanner aside, it includes a retina scanner to work for tablet owners. That is more secure than the Apple Touch ID feature, which is good in of itself.
As for the productivity Apple products, the MB, MBP, iMac, Mac Pro, etc are considered more better options than the iPad Pro. The Pro really only offers the Apple Pen and a Touch Screen, whereas the other ones offer x86, OS X, a full fledged keyboard, iOS integration for those who live in the ecosystem, and better hardware. The iPad Pro is a redheaded step child that Steve wouldn't invest in if he were alive.
As for the productivity Apple products, the MB, MBP, iMac, Mac Pro, etc are considered more better options than the iPad Pro. The Pro really only offers the Apple Pen and a Touch Screen, whereas the other ones offer x86, OS X, a full fledged keyboard, iOS integration for those who live in the ecosystem, and better hardware. The iPad Pro is a redheaded step child that Steve wouldn't invest in if he were alive.
Slightly incorrect. I don't think any of the current MacBook run the 6th generation Intel core I processors which were just announced in late Augus/early September.
The surface pro 4 runs on the lastest generation Intel processor. Although lastest generation means issues with display drivers from Intel or Microsoft. Who knows who is to blame.
Just enough of this bickering back and forth. Most retailers have very generous return policies (in USA). Enough. If you are on the fence. Go buy it. Microsoft has free shipping and free returns. Same as Apple. Best Buy has January 15th return policy.
You still have around 30 days to evaluate the product of your choice.
Here's my surface pro 4 core i5/256gb/8gb ram model with red keyboard. My first surface pro 4 was a dude (big software crash/light bleed/dead spot). This is my second one. So far so good.
And guess what? I still have another 3-4 more weeks to evaluate this. It's starting to grow on me. I was on the fence about returning it. But the longer eval period is pointing me towards keeping it.
I got the Microsoft wireless adapter ($29.99 on sale a couple of weeks ago). Works great as a second screen.
Unlike my MacBook Air which is having issues with new Apple TV 4 playing kodi.
So swipe ur credit cards. Test drive the product of your choice. Return it hassle free if you aren't satisfied
And just stop this bickering.
You still have around 30 days to evaluate the product of your choice.
Here's my surface pro 4 core i5/256gb/8gb ram model with red keyboard. My first surface pro 4 was a dude (big software crash/light bleed/dead spot). This is my second one. So far so good.
And guess what? I still have another 3-4 more weeks to evaluate this. It's starting to grow on me. I was on the fence about returning it. But the longer eval period is pointing me towards keeping it.
I got the Microsoft wireless adapter ($29.99 on sale a couple of weeks ago). Works great as a second screen.
Unlike my MacBook Air which is having issues with new Apple TV 4 playing kodi.
So swipe ur credit cards. Test drive the product of your choice. Return it hassle free if you aren't satisfied
And just stop this bickering.
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He is correct. The new graphics card in the IPP beats the SP4 by about 30% in terms of performance and is 40-80% better than the SP3 as well, depending on the test. That comes from PC magazine tests. Just because it's not running Intel doesn't mean it's worse. Check the GFX tests conducted by PCadvisor and confirmed by arstechnica.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/windows-tablets/microsoft-surface-pro-4-review-uk-3626865/
most people dont need a wacom cintiq
Exactly the point. Everyone keeps comparing the IPP to the SP4 when they are designed for two different markets. IPP is creatives, not desktop users, SP4 is a laptop replacement.
I also wouldn't say it's everyone else. It's premium pricing which limits it to about 10% of the market. A 12" screen isn't for everyone. I prefer bigger screens and if you are mobile, you don't always have a big screen to plug into. Not every person wants or needs a tablet. Etc
That wasn't my point. I was pointing no MacBook line is running the lastest Intel processor compared to the surface pro.
Nothing about graphics card. Nothing about iPad pro graphics.
Just a straight correction that everyone eyeing new MacBooks is waiting for new Intel processors sky lake to be put in. Although the 4th generation was probably the most important due to its significant battery saving features.
Synthetic benchmarks are useless and misleading especially considering the iPP runs blown up phone apps and not full professional software.
As opposed to a device which has to be returned 3 times to get a working version. Sounds very professional
But then again, the artists (who the device was targeted at) seem to be happy which is more than we could say for the average surface user.
And probably for good reason given all the headaches with the new processors for most of the Windows laptops. The issues have not been confined to just Microsoft although I think they have been stuck with the brunt of the bad publicity due to the whole premium laptop. That said, MS or Intel's fault, adequate testing would have prevented the issues.
Unfortunately we won't know if Apple has been testing them or not because they never release the info until the laptop is ready to go on sale.
I find the limitations of the iPP make it a tough buy for a lot of artists at that price. It's useful to be able to have a second monitor attached, and sometimes USB devices are really handy, too. Personally, I like to have the device in front of me on the desk with a monitor behind it and my mouse connected. I can do the work on the tablet while using all kinds of tools with the mouse and being able to have a full-size preview, as well as browsers for referencing (and listening to YouTube all the while).
I didn't see graphics test results in the link you posted, but the m3, i5, and i7 models all have different gpus...
All I know is I can comfortably run Solidworks and NX including editing medium size assemblies on my i5/256 model, which I find to be very impressive.
I am curious to see how the iPad Pro will perform by time it makes it to fourth generation.