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Surface Pro 4 vs iPad Pro and the future of pro tablets
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How can I use a mouse with iPP? I can't even have YouTube playing in the background with iOS. How can I use a second monitor from the iPP?
You may want to try the Protube app. It supports background audio as well as picture in picture.
Do a search for something called Astropad. You can replace your Wacom tablet with the IPP. It becomes a Wacom Cintiq equivalent.
Btw, the reason you can't get YouTube to play is because YouTube haven't updated their app. There is a third party website that will allow you to do PIP with YouTube
I find it amusing there are those who actually prefer ios over a full fledged windows10. Too each their own, but I'll take a full OS almost every time. In my opinion this isn't even a fair vs. The Surface eats the ipp for breakfast.
I find it amusing that there are those who still don't get that the IPP is not a hybrid and not meant to be a competitor for the SP4. Apple were pretty clear on that. They said they don't believe hybrids work and therefore they will continue to offer two devices.
I find it amusing that you didn't read the thread title before posting in it.
Curiosity got the best of me, no surprise considering I own everything else Apple.
The iPad Pro has a nice feel, decent ergonomics, a fun pencil and decent keyboard.
In fact, it's the fact my Apple Store had all three items in stock that inspired me to make the purchase.
I bought it just because I love side by side Comparisons, and my wonderful Surface Pro 4 was begging to be compared.
While I would really enjoy sharing, as of late it seems there's no tolerance for truths or experience sharing... unless its high praise for Apple. Others quick to issue personal attacks seem to be in control here.
Suffice to say that these are both excellent tablets
The iPad Pro has a nice feel, decent ergonomics, a fun pencil and decent keyboard.
In fact, it's the fact my Apple Store had all three items in stock that inspired me to make the purchase.
I bought it just because I love side by side Comparisons, and my wonderful Surface Pro 4 was begging to be compared.
While I would really enjoy sharing, as of late it seems there's no tolerance for truths or experience sharing... unless its high praise for Apple. Others quick to issue personal attacks seem to be in control here.
Suffice to say that these are both excellent tablets
Hey, when you get tired of one, I'll take it off your hands for 5 bucks.
I find it amusing you didn't see this had been discussed in detail prior to your post because you didn't read the thread.
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While I would really enjoy sharing, as of late it seems there's no tolerance for truths or experience sharing... unless its high praise for Apple. Others quick to issue personal attacks seem to be in control here.
Suffice to say that these are both excellent tablets
Exactly. Both excellent tablets but for two entirely different audiences.
Sadly often things around here just turn into glorified pissing contest.
Essentially the same thing is regurgitated over and over ... But it follows the 'flawed logic' that if either Product A or B is not geared towards me it - then its rubbish / doomed / [add your own expletive or trolling comment here] etc ...
However if either Product A or B is geared towards me it automatically adds validity towards the fact the other is those [expletive] things I posted.
This behaviour then attract the trolls who feed on all this detritus. They post the same old tired anti Company A or B style post under the pretence that they actually care about the product being discussed when in actual fact it's irrelevant. They are just using the thread to disseminate the same old tired BS they have been posting for a long time.
Then finally the same old people liking said troll poster posts like its some kind of secret troll club.
It really is tiresome and utterly predictable.
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Reality check!
The iPad Pro is simply a larger iPad. The Pro moniker like much of Apples hardware does not dictate it is to be bought or used only by professionals, but merely that it's the top end of the line iPad product in their range of iPad tablets.
The Microsoft surface & surface pro use a similar naming system. The pro moniker simply identifying the faster more powerful version. It certainly doesn't mean it's intended for or sold only to professionals or such.
People are getting worked up by a naming scheme that means **** all because you would first have to discern what a professional is / what professional usage is etc ... and that can be many things. Indeed many professionals can use standard iPads or standard Surface computers, the ones without the 'Pro' moniker.
Both tablets in question are for different audiences. However there will be those people that fall between the two.
The surface has always been marketed as a laptop/tablet hybrid replacement. Whereas the iPad has always been seen and marketed as a complimentary device to your existing Mac hardware.
Buy whichever suits your needs or if you are in a fortunate position to be able to buy both or if you really have no interest, don't buy either.
But for the love of God stop this moribund tit-for-tat squabbling. It's really quite embarrassing at this stage ....
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Curiosity got the best of me, no surprise considering I own everything else Apple.
The iPad Pro has a nice feel, decent ergonomics, a fun pencil and decent keyboard.
In fact, it's the fact my Apple Store had all three items in stock that inspired me to make the purchase.
I bought it just because I love side by side Comparisons, and my wonderful Surface Pro 4 was begging to be compared.
While I would really enjoy sharing, as of late it seems there's no tolerance for truths or experience sharing... unless its high praise for Apple. Others quick to issue personal attacks seem to be in control here.
Suffice to say that these are both excellent tablets
I disagree. In this case, most of the squabbling has been from the anti Apple squad who keep insisting on comparing the two and seem to have missed the boat. Maybe they feel that they have to take advantage of it because the surface is a better laptop and they can finally win a race (that they don't realise Apple isn't running).
It really is the name ipad pro that bothers me - Coupled with the thread title talking about the future of pro tablets.
Should be called the ipad artist edition or something
The Macbook Pro for example serves the needs of many fields.
The 'pro' moniker really means little more than designating a device as the premium model.
There are many pro uses for the iPad pro outside of the artistic field, however they also apply to the standard iPad such as navigation devices for pilots or on boats/ships. As controllers for musicians supporting things like Korg etc .. As portfolio usage and in many schools for teaching and interacting with special needs students with both audio and visual devices.
At the end of the day a device is as limited as the person using it - uses it.
There are many folks with MacBook Pro's or Dell XPS laptops who do little more than the odd spreadsheet, word document, checking email and watching Netflix.
Like I said prior, people just need to judge their own need and buy whatever product suits there need whether it's for casual use or as part of their work environment.
There's no right or wrong.
Anyway I think this thread has indeed been exhausted.
Not trying to nitpick but can't all those other use cases be accomplished with the ipad air2?
Not trying to nitpick but can't all those other use cases be accomplished with the ipad air2?
Read my post again
I said could be done on the smaller iPads. Which is my point. Professional use and a just a 'pro' in the name are not mutually inclusive.
Pro is nothing but a moniker - which means very little. Just like sticking an 'I' (iDevice or iSoftware) in front of a device simply makes us associate it with Apple. The pro in this instance is just a branding thing for their more expensive products. That's all.
As I say Microsoft do this too with the Surface & Surface Pro. The reality is just as many 'professionals' could probably do what they want to do on a Surface device (sans 'pro').
Read my post again
Which is my point. Professional use and a just a 'pro' in the name are not mutually inclusive.
Pro is nothing but a moniker - which means very little. Just like sticking an 'I' (iDevice or iSoftware) in front of a device simply makes us associate it with Apple. The pro in this instance is just a branding thing for their more expensive products. That's all.
I hear you I'm just annoyed it seems like Apple wasn't thinking about anyone but artists when adding features to differentiate the ipad pro.
I hear you I'm just annoyed it seems like Apple wasn't thinking about anyone but artists when adding features to the ipad pro.
Well in fairness they could have thought about it more because the lack of Apple Pencil availability is unbelievable given how they marketed it. Grrrr.
My post was deleted by the mods and the thread reviewed and has been allowed to continue, so I may as well jump on in::
IMO neither tablet is a 'Pro' device, the iPad only offers a pencil stylus and big sharp screen and a fair bit of power, but is totally gimped by having iOS on it.
The Surface Pro is a tablet running Windows with very few tablet mode apps available for it and the screen having a res that means tiny icons.
Both are cool devices, but neither is a Pro device.
iPad Pro is a great tablet, a poor laptop replacement.
Surface Pro is a great laptop replacement, a poor tablet.
I would buy an iPad Pro by the way, I do not like Windows 10. Plus it's a cool device for my uses.
Sorry, I should have added this is in my 'opinion'.
IMO neither tablet is a 'Pro' device, the iPad only offers a pencil stylus and big sharp screen and a fair bit of power, but is totally gimped by having iOS on it.
The Surface Pro is a tablet running Windows with very few tablet mode apps available for it and the screen having a res that means tiny icons.
Both are cool devices, but neither is a Pro device.
iPad Pro is a great tablet, a poor laptop replacement.
Surface Pro is a great laptop replacement, a poor tablet.
I would buy an iPad Pro by the way, I do not like Windows 10. Plus it's a cool device for my uses.
Sorry, I should have added this is in my 'opinion'.
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I don't know what you are suggesting a 'pro' device is. Not picking sides but an SP4:
- has a TPM chip
- can get a 6th gen core i7/16gb ram, 1tb SSD hard drive
- plus the other sensors and cameras
Seems pro to me even if it is expensive(way north of $2,000 and twice as expensive as IPP) and isn't as tablety as an ipad pro.
Nope, what does it do that's special or different? A Pro device should be great at everything or do one thing only very well, not a compromise. There's really nothing 'Pro' about the devices, they are just fancy tags the marketing people put in the names.
As usual, MRU to the rescue to provide a bit of simple clarity. This line summarizes it all. The Surface Pro 3/4 is literally a larger, more powerful version of the Surface 3...the exact same scenario as the iPad Air 2/iPad Pro. They are just marketing names, nothing more.
If someone wants to advocate the Surface Pro as a more capable device than the iPP, that's fine but this obsession with the 'Pro' moniker is simply ridiculous.
By the way, I'm genuinely enjoying my time with the iPad Pro so far. I also am realistic with my expectations for the device and went into the purchase with eyes wide open. Do I wish it offered some of the functionality provided by OS X? Sure, but I also wouldn't want OS X in its current incarnation on this device because it would be a crappy tablet OS.
I think the tech journalists are partially to blame as they keep starting these comparisons. Most tech journalists don't even understand how tablets are used in business, they just assume it's used for email and documents.
For example, yahoo tech just voted the SP4 as the best tablet. Ignoring the launch issues that plagued the SP and SB, it's ludicrous because the SP4 is actually a poor tablet. It's a great hybrid and a great laptop, but to put it to the top of the ranks as a tablet is stupid.
For example, yahoo tech just voted the SP4 as the best tablet. Ignoring the launch issues that plagued the SP and SB, it's ludicrous because the SP4 is actually a poor tablet. It's a great hybrid and a great laptop, but to put it to the top of the ranks as a tablet is stupid.
Special or different than what? Compared to what? Everything has a compromise but the above speced sp4 is more "pro" than the surface 3. If you take the intersection of price, specs, viewing area and portability as the water mark you end up with nothing because one device doesn't do it all and therefore doesn't deserve a "pro" label.
I'd like an ipp alongside my sp4 but had to draw the line somewhere this holiday season.
I don't think specs necessarily make a device pro but I do think the SP4 is more "pro" than the IPP.